Canadian ambassador tackles protestor, eh

26-05-2016 09:00PM

M.T. Cranium wrote: »

My opinion (as a resident of Canada) is that our ambassador would be well advised to let Irish security handle a situation like this, basically it's none of our business either way and as there was no imminent threat presented, I am not sure what makes him the person expected to intervene or act in any way. His job is just to represent Canada at events, not to provide security (as it was in his more celebrated intervention in Ottawa). You have to bear in mind that the man was given the post as a sort of ceremonial thank you for what was widely seen as a heroic action, so at least that tells you being sent to Dublin is considered a good thing here for what that's worth (not sure if the reverse would be true and it shouldn't be either ).

He's a cop, through and through. Act first, paperwork later. Better to act, be wrong, and sign some paperwork, then hesitate, and be wiping blood from the ground.

A man Canada can be proud of.

I'd say there's plenty here who would walk past a person getting their heads kicked in who are tut-tutting at the Ambassador.

It's the "do something, do nothing" dilemma.
Do something, be wrong, be arrested.
Do nothing, be wrong, people die.

luftmensch · 26-05-2016 09:02PM

Dr. Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

Probably some barstool republican. A member of da brits out brigade who supports Man Utd etc etc.

Some really gormless people out there. Sinn Fein are hoovering them up though. Comical Gerry knows how to appeal to morons.

RTE reported that he "claimed to represent the Irish Republican Prisoners Welfare Association... (and) he also shouted about "The Craigavon Two" who were jailed for life in northern Ireland for the murder of a PSNI constable."

Model citizen no doubt.

The Backwards Man · 26-05-2016 09:05PM

Why do I get the feeling many posters are incensed with the actions of the ambassador due to the nature of the commemoration more than anything else?

20Cent · 26-05-2016 09:06PM

Never heard of the Craigavon two before. Sounds like a miscarriage of justice like the Birmingham six.

During the Hearing evidence was presented that:

•Witness M came forward to give evidence 11 months after the shooting while he was drunk.
*Witness M eyewitness testimony was proven to be medically impossible.
•Witness M was found to be lying under oath consistently during the trial.
•Witness M was with his partner on the night, she failed to corroborate his story.
•Witness M benefited financially from his involvement.
•Witness M identity was hidden from the court preventing a proper cross examination
•The tracking device had gone “missing” during the inquiry and when it was found some of the data had been erased.
•The forensics on the jacket did not match the forensics on the AK47 that was recovered.
•The fingerprint found on the AK47 belonged to neither Brendan McConville nor John Paul Wootton
http://claredaly.ie/justice-for-the-craigavon-two/

luftmensch · 26-05-2016 09:15PM

20Cent wrote: »

Never heard of the Craigavon two before. Sounds like a miscarriage of justice like the Birmingham six.

During the Hearing evidence was presented that:

•Witness M came forward to give evidence 11 months after the shooting while he was drunk.
*Witness M eyewitness testimony was proven to be medically impossible.
•Witness M was found to be lying under oath consistently during the trial.
•Witness M was with his partner on the night, she failed to corroborate his story.
•Witness M benefited financially from his involvement.
•Witness M identity was hidden from the court preventing a proper cross examination
•The tracking device had gone “missing” during the inquiry and when it was found some of the data had been erased.
•The forensics on the jacket did not match the forensics on the AK47 that was recovered.
•The fingerprint found on the AK47 belonged to neither Brendan McConville nor John Paul Wootton
http://claredaly.ie/justice-for-the-craigavon-two/

Be that as it may, but this case is unrelated to events of the 1916 rising. If he feels that it was a miscarriage of justice then by all means protest, but this event was not the right place to shout about it.

20Cent · 26-05-2016 09:21PM

luftmensch wrote: »

Be that as it may, but this case is unrelated to events of the 1916 rising. If he feels that it was a miscarriage of justice then by all means protest, but this event was not the right place to shout about it.

They've been shouting about it since 2009.
Never made much headway.
Maybe now though it might.
Had never heard of the Craigavon two myself.

Gatling · 26-05-2016 09:28PM

vicwatson wrote: »

Just sayin, it's public property.

Church property would it not be

Cienciano · 26-05-2016 09:33PM

Deleted User wrote: »

He's a cop, through and through. Act first, paperwork later. Better to act, be wrong, and sign some paperwork, then hesitate, and be wiping blood from the ground.

A man Canada can be proud of.

I'd say there's plenty here who would walk past a person getting their heads kicked in who are tut-tutting at the Ambassador.

It's the "do something, do nothing" dilemma.
Do something, be wrong, be arrested.
Do nothing, be wrong, people die.

Who would have died here if he did nothing?

bluefinger · 26-05-2016 09:36PM

Ironic that in a week where the Canadian president has to apologise numerous times for bumping into an mp that this guy commits gbh on a protestor and is lauded.

Stig Inge · 26-05-2016 09:37PM

He should have his bags packed and be deported

Ronald Wilson Reagan · 26-05-2016 09:40PM

Where the commemoration for the Germans, Serbians, Austro-Hungarians, Russians etc..

MarkAnthony · 26-05-2016 09:40PM

Stig Inge wrote: »

He should have his bags packed and be deported

Cabra doesn't really require deportation, it's not another country like, say, Tallaght.

Harry Palmr · 26-05-2016 09:43PM

If more people were willing to take the law in their own hands intervene when arseingtons appear out of nowhere then we'd all be safer.

26-05-2016 09:46PM

Cienciano wrote: »

Who would have died here if he did nothing?

The Ambassador acted, and was wrong. not wrong to act, but wrong in his guess.

Had he been right, something akin to this might have ensued. Yes the assailant would have been apprehended quicker, but he may have got shots off before doing so.

Ironically this happened to the kinds of people the protester represented, but there were innocents in that crowd who deserved it far, far less than any of us.. heck even Gerry wouldn't deserve what Stone did.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xUFKLIpMsk

LorMal · 26-05-2016 09:50PM

Well done, Mr Ambassador. Hope you managed to give him a good knee in the balls too, the skinny little knacker.. Allez Canada!!

Skylinehead · 26-05-2016 09:57PM

bluefinger wrote: »

Ironic that in a week where the Canadian president has to apologise numerous times for bumping into an mp that this guy commits gbh on a protestor and is lauded.

Grievous Bodily Harm :pac:

Care to point out the damage? He pulled him around a bit, he didn't glass him in the face ffs

Hans Bricks · 26-05-2016 10:11PM

Some disruptive gimp pulls a wobbly and makes a scene then gets taken out of it ? Well done Mr. Ambassador. Reminds me of the rent a mob IW protestors who held up o connell bridge junction that time because some mouth breather got done on a public order offence. Whole city at standstill over **** all really.

realdanbreen · 26-05-2016 10:20PM

arayess wrote: »

Canadian ambassador is an asshole.

given his gung ho history he probably relishes this type of confrontation.
pr*ck

We should invade Canada, that'd teach them!

schizo1014 · 26-05-2016 10:21PM

I've seen people arrested and brought to court for assault over less, protester was well withing his right to protest regardless if anyone hear thinks it wasn't the time or place he got his message across and got assaulted in the process. Fair play, there should be more like him.

Justice for the Craigavon 2

realdanbreen · 26-05-2016 10:21PM

Hans Bricks wrote: »

Some disruptive gimp pulls a wobbly and makes a scene then gets taken out of it ? Well done Mr. Ambassador. Reminds me of the rent a mob IW protestors who held up o connell bridge junction that time because some mouth breather got done on a public order offence. Whole city at standstill over **** all really.

Hear hear.

liamos43 · 26-05-2016 10:29PM

I want to vote Canadian Ambassador as man of the year here and now ( even though only 5 months gone )....!

milehip · 26-05-2016 10:43PM

I'm not your security guard,

Buddy.

realdanbreen · 26-05-2016 11:52PM

I see the protestor is from the north inner city. Does anyone in the north inner city work for a living or are they all 'activists' or 'community leaders' getting paid by the state.

davycc · 27-05-2016 12:15AM

realdanbreen wrote: »

I see the protestor is from the north inner city. Does anyone in the north inner city work for a living or are they all 'activists' or 'community leaders' getting paid by the state.

link to back up that high horse rant of yours ?:rolleyes:

Snickers Man · 27-05-2016 12:27AM

bluefinger wrote: »

this guy commits gbh on a protestor.

Get over yourself!

GBH my back side. The guy was causing a disturbance at a solemn event and he was removed WITH MINIMUM force to a place where the Gardai could step in and treat him to due process.

Only compensation the pilgarlic should receive is a sharp kick in the hole. IMHO.

donegaLroad · 27-05-2016 12:29AM

realdanbreen wrote: »

We should invade Canada, that'd teach them!

We tried it before in 1866

Proclamation to the people of Canada, Nova Scotia and New Brunswick.
"We come among you as the foes of British rule in Ireland. We have taken up the sword to strike down the oppressor's rod to deliver Ireland from the tyrant, the despoiler, the robber... We have no issue with the people of these provinces, and wish to have none but the most friendly relations. Our weapons are for the oppressors of Ireland. Our blows shall be directed only against the power of England; her privileges alone shall we invade, not yours. We do not propose to divest you of a solitary right you now enjoy... We are here neither as murderers, nor robbers for plunder and spoliation. We are here as the Irish army of liberation, the friends of liberty against despotism, of democracy against aristocracy, of the people against the oppressors: in a word, our war is with the armed power of England, not with the people, not with these provinces. Against England upon land and sea, till Ireland is free... To Irishmen throughout these provinces we appeal in the name of seven centuries of British iniquity and Irish misery and suffering, in the name of our murdered sires, our desolate homes, our desecrated alters, our millions of famine graves, our insulted name and race – to stretch forth the hand of brotherhood in the holy cause of fatherland, and smite the tyrant where we can... We shall endeavour to justify the confidence of the former, and the latter can expect from us the restraints and relations imposed by civilised warfare."

Signed:
T.W.Sweeney, Major-General,
Commanding the Army of Ireland,
1st. June, 1866.

twowheelsonly · 27-05-2016 12:46AM

20Cent wrote: »

Not to question modding in a thread but it's definitely assault running over and grabbing someone then dragging them off.

Or it could also be classified as restraint.

20Cent wrote: »

2.—(1) A person shall be guilty of the offence of assault who, without lawful excuse, intentionally or recklessly— .................

.

Plenty of Lawful Excuse there IMO.

Cienciano wrote: »

Who would have died here if he did nothing?

Just as well we don't have to answer that in retrospect.
Better to be pro-active than re-active IMO.

schizo1014 · 27-05-2016 12:48AM

Snickers Man wrote: »

Get over yourself!

GBH my back side. The guy was causing a disturbance at a solemn event and he was removed WITH MINIMUM force to a place where the Gardai could step in and treat him to due process.

Only compensation the pilgarlic should receive is a sharp kick in the hole. IMHO.

The Gardai obviously didn't think he was much of a threat when they didn't react so why did Canadian John Rambo think he could up and assault him?

Iwasfrozen · 27-05-2016 12:49AM

20Cent wrote: »

See the video going around where the Canadian ambassador tackles a protestor at a commemoration for British troops killed in 1916. Bet nothing happens to him yet the protestor will be in trouble.

http://www.thejournal.ie/kevin-vickers-rising-ceremony-2790197-May2016/

Kevin Vickers is the hero former Sergeant-at-arms who protected the Canadian capitol from terrorists a few years back.

Here's a video of him being honored in dignity by the Canadian Parliament for his role in shooting the gunman.

Some people have no respect, Kevin Vickers is 100 times the man as the protester he tackled.

h2005 · 27-05-2016 12:50AM

What would the reaction be if our ambassador acted in the same way? It's hardly becoming of the office?

Canadian ambassador tackles protestor, eh

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