Xbox One General Discussion - Part 2 (Please Read 1st Post)

Oafley Jones · 26-05-2016 10:41AM

Spudman_20000 wrote: »

A lot of gamers are kids whose parents have bought the current gen consoles for them in the past 3 years. How is a parent going to react when the kid is looking for the newer version of the console plus €300-€400 for VR?

Besides telling them to feck off ye spoilt brats, they've also the tough titty approach. Oculus has a minimum recommendation of 13 plus for their hardware.

Allyall · 26-05-2016 11:26AM

Spudman_20000 wrote: »

MS and Sony are obviously banking on VR being the next big thing, with lots of people purchasing the hardware. I'm not so sure, as I can see the costs being prohibitive for most people.

Not so sure about Sonys/Facebooks/Samsungs etc.. VR

But the HoloLens looks insane. Assuming it can bring the same details as the closed headsets, I can't imagine that not doing well.

Sephiroth_dude · 26-05-2016 11:33AM

Is elite dangerous any good for Xbox 1?

maximoose · 26-05-2016 11:38AM

paging Mickeroo

Spudman_20000 · 26-05-2016 11:40AM

Oafley Jones wrote: »

Besides telling them to feck off ye spoilt brats, they've also the tough titty approach. Oculus has a minimum recommendation of 13 plus for their hardware.

Of course, but my point is where will all these new hardware sales come from?

At best, you're looking at gamers selling their current gen consoles at a huge loss, purchasing the more expensive new console and then VR hardware on top of that. Doesn't seem to me to be a huge market.

And will anyone that doesn't already own a current gen console be interested in this new hardware? I doubt it, otherwise surely they would have already dipped their toes with the current gen.

Mickeroo · 26-05-2016 12:02PM

Sephiroth_dude wrote: »

Is elite dangerous any good for Xbox 1?

I've sunk a lot of hours into it and don't look like letting up anytime soon. It's he same as the PC version pretty much, a couple of patches behind but it will be all caught up within the next couple of weeks. The background sim is shared with PC but you can't interact directly with PC playes (likely will happen eventually though).

The Horizons expansioon is out on June 3rd which will introduce planetary landings (only rocky/icy planets with no atmosphere for now) and a loot/crafting system, there'll be more added to it before the year is out too. Think it's priced around €25 if you have the base game already, otherwise there'll be a bundle including it and the base game for about €50 or you can just buy the base game without Horizons of course.

All I'll say is don't expect the bright colours and that of something like No Man's Sky and it's very much a sim more than a game, there's no campaign or anything it's very much what you make of it and it can be very very grindy if you let it be, getting the bigger ships in the game takes hundreds of hours but there's no real reason you need them to enjoy the game.

maximoose wrote: »

paging Mickeroo

>_> <_< >_<

runawaybishop · 26-05-2016 12:51PM

Spudman_20000 wrote: »

Of course, but my point is where will all these new hardware sales come from?

At best, you're looking at gamers selling their current gen consoles at a huge loss, purchasing the more expensive new console and then VR hardware on top of that. Doesn't seem to me to be a huge market.

And will anyone that doesn't already own a current gen console be interested in this new hardware? I doubt it, otherwise surely they would have already dipped their toes with the current gen.

It will be cross platform, will work in PC and Xbox . That will entice people.

Spudman_20000 · 26-05-2016 03:52PM

runawaybishop wrote: »

It will be cross platform, will work in PC and Xbox . That will entice people.

I'm referring to sales of the higher spec Xbox One hardware more so than the VR hardware.

Anyway, I'm far from convinced but we'll wait and see. It's not like Microsoft have ever overestimated the popularity of an external peripheral device before......oh.

mossym · 26-05-2016 05:24PM

saw mention of a microsoft tv stick, like a version of the google chromecast yesterday, rumoured to be launching at e3. it suggested it would allow xbox to be streamed to any tv, including games. if it's true, i'll be buying a couple

maximoose · 26-05-2016 05:25PM

Yep, if it's true I'll be selling my Linx Vision tab and getting one or two of those.

Stone Deaf 4evr · 26-05-2016 05:31PM

maximoose wrote: »

Yep, if it's true I'll be selling my Linx Vision tab and getting one or two of those.

I've always said that a disc drive free xbox 360 working as a set top box was a no brainer. specially with the higher standard of games with gold now.

MiskyBoyy · 26-05-2016 05:44PM

SSX is coming to b.c today

26-05-2016 08:19PM

mossym wrote: »

saw mention of a microsoft tv stick, like a version of the google chromecast yesterday, rumoured to be launching at e3. it suggested it would allow xbox to be streamed to any tv, including games. if it's true, i'll be buying a couple

This I would think is almost 100% true, it's not that big a leap from the MS wireless display adaptor thats already available.

It will have to stream games for it to be worth getting otherwise you would be better served by something like an android / kodi box or amazon firestick.

I certainly wouldn't bite though until I see what UWP apps arrive because whats there on the store at the moment is total rubbish vs other platforms in the TV space. Word is though Emby and Plex clients will be UWP , doubt we'll see kodi for it though.

TitianGerm · 26-05-2016 09:06PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

This I would think is almost 100% true, it's not that big a leap from the MS wireless display adaptor thats already available.

It will have to stream games for it to be worth getting otherwise you would be better served by something like an android / kodi box or amazon firestick.

I certainly wouldn't bite though until I see what UWP apps arrive because whats there on the store at the moment is total rubbish vs other platforms in the TV space. Word is though Emby and Plex clients will be UWP , doubt we'll see kodi for it though.

Aslong as it streams my games I'm happy with it.

Need to get the pricing right though. More than €100 and your probably asking to much if I'm being honest.

26-05-2016 11:18PM

emmetkenny wrote: »

Aslong as it streams my games I'm happy with it.

Need to get the pricing right though. More than €100 and your probably asking to much if I'm being honest.

The wireless display adaptor I mentioned is around 50 quid so with xbox streaming I'd go to 100 for it max but I already have several devices that can do apps and TV stuff. Im thinking it will have controller support and an app store etc I'm imagining it to be like amazon's only with xbox/ms stuff on it. The only thing that would concern me is the store and app support. MS app store has always been the bottom of the pile, and it's worse if you live outside the US in terms of MS and Apps.

Faker74 · 27-05-2016 10:58AM

I find the notion of having a two tier console generation to be mis-step.

I am the dictionary definition of a casual gamer, I use a console to play the latest version of FIFA/PES and then 3 or 4 new release games per year. I want a console that I can buy off the shelf and know its good for 4 to 5 years of gaming. The last thing I, and people as casual as me want, is to pick up a game and see a sticker on it saying “optimised for XB1+” (or whatever it will be called). Or have a table on the back of the case showing the features available on the upper tier of the generation but not on the original iteration.

A mid generation refresh is good and to be expected, making the unit smaller, run cooler/more energy efficient, or even just manufacturing at a lower cost, but getting into a PC gaming style split of the latest and greatest tech is going to turn off a lot of people.

Even if it’s a case that the updated consoles are just being spec’d up to enable VR usage I can’t see developers not want to use the extra resources for non-VR games.

Stone Deaf 4evr · 27-05-2016 11:16AM

Faker74 wrote: »

I find the notion of having a two tier console generation to be mis-step.

I am the dictionary definition of a casual gamer, I use a console to play the latest version of FIFA/PES and then 3 or 4 new release games per year. I want a console that I can buy off the shelf and know its good for 4 to 5 years of gaming. The last thing I, and people as casual as me want, is to pick up a game and see a sticker on it saying “optimised for XB1+” (or whatever it will be called). Or have a table on the back of the case showing the features available on the upper tier of the generation but not on the original iteration.

A mid generation refresh is good and to be expected, making the unit smaller, run cooler/more energy efficient, or even just manufacturing at a lower cost, but getting into a PC gaming style split of the latest and greatest tech is going to turn off a lot of people.

Even if it’s a case that the updated consoles are just being spec’d up to enable VR usage I can’t see developers not want to use the extra resources for non-VR games.

Well, technically, if the Xbox 1.5 or whatever it's called doesn't come out till 2017, that's a 4 year lifespan on the first one

maximoose · 27-05-2016 11:20AM

Am I in the minority in really not giving a shîte about VR?

mossym · 27-05-2016 11:21AM

Deleted User wrote: »

mossym wrote: »

saw mention of a microsoft tv stick, like a version of the google chromecast yesterday, rumoured to be launching at e3. it suggested it would allow xbox to be streamed to any tv, including games. if it's true, i'll be buying a couple

This I would think is almost 100% true, it's not that big a leap from the MS wireless display adaptor thats already available.

It will have to stream games for it to be worth getting otherwise you would be better served by something like an android / kodi box or amazon firestick.

I certainly wouldn't bite though until I see what UWP apps arrive because whats there on the store at the moment is total rubbish vs other platforms in the TV space. Word is though Emby and Plex clients will be UWP , doubt we'll see kodi for it though.

agreed. i'd only get it for the game streaming. already have streaming devices on almost every tv to handle kodi, plex and netflix. but adding xbox streaming would be superb. would make juggling screens with the wife/kids a lot easier

mossym · 27-05-2016 11:21AM

maximoose wrote: »

Am I in the minority in really not giving a sh te about VR?

not at all. i couldn't care less about it

Max Mafioso · 27-05-2016 11:24AM

Unless its going to be something along the lines of Star Treks HoloRoom or Red Dwarf's VR then I have no interest.
I want to be able to actually feel like I am in the environment and be able to touch the wome.......stuff that I see

Mickeroo · 27-05-2016 11:25AM

maximoose wrote: »

Am I in the minority in really not giving a shîte about VR?

Same here for the most part but Elite Dangerous is meant to be amazing in VR so you can probably guess why I'm not totally against it :P

Stone Deaf 4evr · 27-05-2016 12:09PM

maximoose wrote: »

Am I in the minority in really not giving a shîte about VR?

nope,

I'd like to try it to see what all the fuss is about, but realistically it doesnt hold any huge appeal at the moment. I usually play when the kids are in bed, so I'm keeping an ear on them at all times anyway - I hardly use my audio headset in that case, I cant see myself shutting myself away from the world in a VR headset.

Mr Freeze · 27-05-2016 12:14PM

maximoose wrote: »

Am I in the minority in really not giving a shîte about VR?

I don't think so.

I couldn't care less about it. I'm sure its great as a bit of a novelty, but no way would I be playing all games that way.

Its too expensive as a novelty thing.
Mad reason, sure the house could be robbed when I am hooked into that thing.
Also, I'm sure my wife would hate it if I was playing VR loads, she'd be thinking and probably letting me know "what have I married, it was bad enough when you were playing regular games!". :pac:

Faker74 · 27-05-2016 12:50PM

maximoose wrote: »

Am I in the minority in really not giving a shîte about VR?

People who have tried it rave about the experience.

But until the tech becomes more affordable it won't go beyond being a niche product.

There is an argument to be made that if you bundled a VR headset with future consoles you could see an uptake in interest, but given the way people reacted when the Xbox One was initially going to be bundled with Kinect I don't know how viable an option that is either!

ibFoxer · 27-05-2016 12:54PM

maximoose wrote: »

Am I in the minority in really not giving a shîte about VR?

Nope. Hella nope. Couldn't care less.

runawaybishop · 27-05-2016 01:04PM

Faker74 wrote: »

I find the notion of having a two tier console generation to be mis-step.

I am the dictionary definition of a casual gamer, I use a console to play the latest version of FIFA/PES and then 3 or 4 new release games per year. I want a console that I can buy off the shelf and know its good for 4 to 5 years of gaming. The last thing I, and people as casual as me want, is to pick up a game and see a sticker on it saying “optimised for XB1+” (or whatever it will be called). Or have a table on the back of the case showing the features available on the upper tier of the generation but not on the original iteration.

A mid generation refresh is good and to be expected, making the unit smaller, run cooler/more energy efficient, or even just manufacturing at a lower cost, but getting into a PC gaming style split of the latest and greatest tech is going to turn off a lot of people.

Even if it’s a case that the updated consoles are just being spec’d up to enable VR usage I can’t see developers not want to use the extra resources for non-VR games.

I dont see this as 2 tier, the e3 console is just a revision, smaller, quieter, cheaper etc but with the same end specs. The console for 2017 is a new console, BC has already greenlit the way for this. You buy the new console and all your current xbox one games work fine on it. Xbox one games will sell in tandem with xbox X games and eventually drop off, much like the 360. Those that want to run teh latest gen will do so, others can take their time until the price drops. Its pretty much what we have currently, just faster iterations.

FAILSAFE 00 · 27-05-2016 01:05PM

They'll be doing well to make an Xbox One revision quieter. I've never heard anything at all from it.

Smaller doesn't really appeal to me either. It would just sit in the same spot under the TV.

wotzgoingon · 27-05-2016 01:08PM

FAILSAFE 00 wrote: »

They'll be doing well to make an Xbox One revision quieter. I've never heard anything at all from it.

Smaller doesn't really appeal to me either. It would just sit in the same spot under the TV.

My power supply is awful loud, but xbox itself is whisper quiet.

FAILSAFE 00 · 27-05-2016 01:09PM

wotzgoingon wrote: »

My power supply is awful loud, but xbox itself is whisper quiet.

Maybe see if you can get Microsoft to send out a new one. I heard some people had this problem a good while back.

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