Burritos !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

flyingsnail · 25-05-2016 03:42PM

Now that the trailer is gone is she going to be replacing them ? or will there just be an empty spot?

gotasmoke · 25-05-2016 04:21PM

I read, on one of the facebook pages discussing this, that Badass wanted to use one of the council provided wooden shacks whereas Mexican Food Dudes provided their own trailer and didn't need as much supplied to them. This would be a big factor in why they got the spot.

source · 25-05-2016 04:46PM

a perspective from the other side as posted on Facebook by the owner of the food truck:

Please be aware that I, my business and business partner have been under sustained and vicious attack on social media. I have never made a public statment like this before but I am at my personal and proffessional limit.

We are a very new bussiness, less than a month actually. It is being put about that we are not local I am born and breed in this beautiful city of Limerick I am proud to be from Limerick. My business partner is a very decent Dublin man who is only to delighted to be bringing something positive to his adopted city.

We have not gone away. I'm Limerick and local so I'm made of strong stuff.

We are delighted with the opportunity to create a new, small business in our City, we hope to have positive news soon to share.

I am personally asking that this bullying, and awful behaviour stops and we all get back to work, to business to life.

Umekichi · 25-05-2016 04:49PM

zulutango wrote: »

Were her claims not valid? It seems that she was unfairly skipped over in favour of this other crowd. Nobody seems to be refuting that but instead are going on the attack against her.

If her complaints were solely about the fact that she was skipped over, fair enough however at one point in her postings she was insinuating that a) cronyism was taking place(despite having no proof) and that b) the guys who were in the spot were not a local business but were from outside of limerick(which according to the other crowd was not the case). Had she just said her issues with the council and left the other crowd alone and not tried to drag them into the mud then she would have more support. I supported her initially in all this, until all this additional stuff happened and now I'd rather not, as she has damaged another business.

zulutango · 25-05-2016 04:54PM

So ... a one month old business is given a slot in the (ridiculously named) Urban Garden, despite a local trader having been told by the council six months previously that she was on a waiting list.

Something is seriously fishy about this whole thing. Who is responsible for giving them a space at the Urban Garden?

Many people seem to have issues with the Badass Burritos lady, she keeps irregular hours, etc., but that is all beside the point. The question above should be answered.

zulutango · 25-05-2016 04:55PM

Were the new business getting favourable treatment. It's starting to look like they were. And if so, why were they getting favourable tratment?

roast · 25-05-2016 05:06PM

The next question is, who's going to be given a place in the Urban Garden next? Is there a waiting list of sorts that the council had (allegedly) bumped the "FoodDudes" up? It'll be a shame to see an empty spot, regardless of the circumstances.
I sure can't see Badarse opening there 7 days a week, as they had mentioned.

Umekichi · 25-05-2016 05:08PM

zulutango wrote: »

So ... a one month old business is given a slot in the (ridiculously named) Urban Garden, despite a local trader having been told by the council six months previously that she was on a waiting list.

Something is seriously fishy about this whole thing. Who is responsible for giving them a space at the Urban Garden?

Many people seem to have issues with the Badass Burritos lady, she keeps irregular hours, etc., but that is all beside the point. The question above should be answered.

This I'd like an answer to as well. The problem is the council are keeping schtum and as a result a fledgling business has closed and another has lost customers.

Maybe it could have been as gotasmoke said and it was due to the fact that the other business had a truck? Maybe it could be due to the fact that badass doesn't keep regular hours?(council could be worried that the space would be under utilized?). I'd love to know how many people applied for that spot, how the process is decided etc. That would clear up confusion.

FutureGuy · 25-05-2016 05:08PM

zulutango wrote: »

Were the new business getting favourable treatment. It's starting to look like they were. And if so, why were they getting favourable tratment?

Based on what actual facts?

Umekichi · 25-05-2016 05:10PM

roast wrote: »

The next question is, who's going to be given a place in the Urban Garden next? Is there a waiting list of sorts that the council had (allegedly) bumped the "FoodDudes" up? It'll be a shame to see an empty spot, regardless of the circumstances.
I sure can't see Badarse opening there 7 days a week, as they had mentioned.

I'd hate to see that space being left empty because if it is, it will only look worse for badass. It was actually really nice to have the food truck there, it seemed to me it was quite popular and who knows, it might have drawn people into town.

Mc Love · 25-05-2016 05:10PM

Maybe they were given favourable treatment as it was a new business venture. Maybe they badass owner wasnt given the same preferential treatment as they are never open when she says she is.

Could you imagine being in the council office and calling up to the badass shop to handover documents and finding it closed. Business or customer, I wouldnt be impressed.

Umekichi · 25-05-2016 05:13PM

Mc Love wrote: »

Maybe they were given favourable treatment as it was a new business venture. .

I could see that happening, by giving them a regular space the council probably thought that if they did well then maybe they might open a premises here, or at least create a few jobs.

Mc Love · 25-05-2016 05:16PM

Umekichi wrote: »

I could see that happening, by giving them a regular space the council probably thought that if they did well then maybe they might open a premises here, or at least create a few jobs.

Exactly what I was thinking.

johnnyryan89 · 25-05-2016 05:17PM

zulutango wrote: »

So ... a one month old business is given a slot in the (ridiculously named) Urban Garden, despite a local trader having been told by the council six months previously that she was on a waiting list.

Something is seriously fishy about this whole thing. Who is responsible for giving them a space at the Urban Garden?

Many people seem to have issues with the Badass Burritos lady, she keeps irregular hours, etc., but that is all beside the point. The question above should be answered.

Well that's according to her and seeing as she likes to make up facts to suit her arguments (according to her this crowd were from Kantruk) I'm sure she only gave half the facts on what the council told her.

Also the terms and conditions she stated set out by the council are for the permanent CABINS not for casual traders who are providing their own facilitys which I assume have been privately bought, funded and kitted out by the owners at their expense not the councils and they legally would have to pay trading license fees and maybe daily rates.

This was taken from one of the comments on Facebook, whether Badass are telling the truth or just twisted facts to suit her own agenda we wont know until the council make a statement about the great Burrito war of 2016.

zulutango · 25-05-2016 05:22PM

FutureGuy wrote: »

Based on what actual facts?

Based on the claim by Badass lady that she was put on a list six months ago, and the fact that the new crowd, by their own admission above, are only in operation a month. So, it seems the new crowd jumped to the top of the list, doesn't it?

zulutango · 25-05-2016 05:23PM

Umekichi wrote: »

I could see that happening, by giving them a regular space the council probably thought that if they did well then maybe they might open a premises here, or at least create a few jobs.

Obviously the spaces are very valuable. It would be completely improper for the Council to act in such an ad hoc fashion.

zulutango · 25-05-2016 05:25PM

johnnyryan89 wrote: »

This was taken from one of the comments on Facebook, whether Badass are telling the truth or just twisted facts to suit her own agenda we wont know until the council make a statement about the great Burrito war of 2016.

I agree. The Council should make a statement about it. The fact that the new guys were asked to move on as soon as the issue was made public suggests that maybe somebody in the Council fecked up.

dashoonage · 25-05-2016 05:28PM

This has Irish Water written all over it again......

AlanOB · 25-05-2016 05:33PM

There is absolutely no way the Council would have backed down so quickly, unless someone within erred in some form or fashion.

Regardless of one's feelings about the way the Badass Burritos proprietor chooses to run her business, that much is very clear.

moleyv · 25-05-2016 07:59PM

She actually paid to promote the FB post where she gleefully announced her 'win'?

I wonder will the council be making a statement on burritogate or will a FoI request have to be made

johnnyryan89 · 25-05-2016 09:50PM

zulutango wrote: »

I agree. The Council should make a statement about it. The fact that the new guys were asked to move on as soon as the issue was made public suggests that maybe somebody in the Council fecked up.

That or the amount of phone calls and what not they received may have lead to them to ask this crowd move for now because they are a trailer so they can come and go until they sort the issue out.

Going by what was on Facebook she complained that this crowd got in and weren't paying any rates but as someone pointed out it was the cabins that pay rates and the trailers don't because the council don't own them.

squonk · 26-05-2016 09:05AM

Never having been a customer of Burrito Lady or Burrito Van but having read the threads with interest, I have to say this puts a bad taste in my mouth. Maybe the council did screw up and, let's face it, who'd be surprised but Burrito Lady's actions here don't hold her up as a paragon of virtue either. At the end of the day both people were running small businesses. To me anyway it looks like a business from Kanturk getting off their ass to drive into Limerick to sell burritos getting scuppered by a local business owner who appears to do only as much work as they want to in order to keep their business going. I can't help feeling there's a bit of a dog in the manger thing going on here and it's very unappealing. What this tells me is that Burrito Lady must have tried Burrito Van and seen them as competition. I don't think any of the other Burrito places around town are really in the 'good burrito' league. I know I certainly tried one place a while back and wasn't impressed at all. I'm beginning to wonder if Burrito Lady has won this battle but ultimately ends up losing the war? I was going to give Burrito Lady some business next time I fancy a burrito but I'm not sure I'd bother now.

Straight Edge Punk · 26-05-2016 09:10AM

According to Facebook they weren't even from Kanturk, they were limerick people.

Umekichi · 26-05-2016 09:22AM

Straight Edge Punk wrote: »

According to Facebook they weren't even from Kanturk, they were limerick people.

One of the owners is from limerick and lives in Clare.

Straight Edge Punk · 26-05-2016 09:34AM

Umekichi wrote: »

One of the owners is from limerick and lives in Clare.

So where did this woman pull Kanturk from?

johnnyryan89 · 26-05-2016 09:37AM

Straight Edge Punk wrote: »

So where did this woman pull Kanturk from?

Probably made it up I'd say to add a bit of weight to her side of the argument to make it look like the council are overlooking a local business for outsiders.

zulutango · 26-05-2016 09:43AM

I think the key point about them not being from Limerick is that the Council had a stipulation that whoever gets a space in the Urban Garden must be a rate payer in Limerick. Badass had applied for a place, and met that stipulation, was told months ago that she was on a list, and then a few months later a new business is formed that seems to jump to the top of the list. It's seriously dodgy.

I've no connection to either business and I don't know anybody involved on any level but if the above is true, then is it any wonder she went postal on the whole issue? She also claims that she tried to sort the problem out discretely with the Council for a few weeks but was ignored. It was only when she was at her wit's end and went public that the Council asked the new crowd to move on.

I think the manner in which she went public was wrong, but let's not turn a blind eye to the sequence of events. People are directing their ire at this lady but perhaps they should be looking at the Council, and how a new business got such favourable treatment. I think it stinks.

Umekichi · 26-05-2016 09:49AM

I thought those stipulations were for cabins only though? That's what some of the comments are saying. Apparently for food trucks, different conditions occur.

zulutango · 26-05-2016 10:06AM

Umekichi wrote: »

I thought those stipulations were for cabins only though? That's what some of the comments are saying

I doubt that. Otherwise it would be a free for all. The Council has to control who sets up in the place, whether they have their own cabin/trailer or not, and insisting on the business being an existing rate payer would be a way to do this.

It actually begs the question, did the lady from the market and guy (from Dublin?) go into partnership in order to try and get around this stipulation? And, if so, is that right?

The other key question is why the Food Dudes were asked to move on if they were all above board. It really looks to me like Badass was in the right on every aspect except how she went public, which obviously could have been done better.

Special Circumstances · 26-05-2016 10:37AM

zulutango wrote: »

I think the key point about them not being from Limerick is that the Council had a stipulation that whoever gets a space in the Urban Garden must be a rate payer in Limerick. Badass had applied for a place, and met that stipulation, was told months ago that she was on a list, and then a few months later a new business is formed that seems to jump to the top of the list. It's seriously dodgy.

I've no connection to either business and I don't know anybody involved on any level but if the above is true, then is it any wonder she went postal on the whole issue? She also claims that she tried to sort the problem out discretely with the Council for a few weeks but was ignored. It was only when she was at her wit's end and went public that the Council asked the new crowd to move on.

I think the manner in which she went public was wrong, but let's not turn a blind eye to the sequence of events. People are directing their ire at this lady but perhaps they should be looking at the Council, and how a new business got such favourable treatment. I think it stinks.

It really would help posters here if the council made an unambiguous explanation of the the T&Cs.
Your interpretation is the same interpretation I arrived at from the chinese whispers. Limerick rate paying businesses get first preference for these spots but there is a waiting list.

Other people seem to be coming at it from a different angle and arriving at "trucks/carts don't pay rates so lists don't apply and they can do what they want".

Fair and consistent regulation would have avoided this. Diplomacy and political skill might yet provide a satisfactory compromise.

Burritos !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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