Season 6 Episode 5 "The Door" - "Book readers"

Bandana boy wrote: »

I hope that Brans character really appreciates what a huge sacrifice Hodor made , not just his death but his whole life.

I'd say it will be quickly brushed over in the next episode, if they even touch upon it.

sup_dude wrote: »

You're entitled to have a different opinion. You are not entitled to belittle or mock mine for no other reason than it's different to yours.
No, I don't spend the whole time squimish... I gave a quick opinion on one incident in the episode this entire thread is based on. There's no need to take it for anymore than it is, or to bring other incidents in other episodes into it.
I had plenty of thoughts on this episode. One of them thoughts was that the killing of Summer was a tad too long for comfort. That's it. Not sure why you're making such a big issue of it.

That's what I don't get - you've said it was too long when it last for a few seconds. What would you have had them do?

EagererBeaver wrote: »

That's what I don't get - you've said it was too long when it last for a few seconds. What would you have had them do?

From my original post:

I would have been quite satisfied after she dived into the middle of the attackers (though if we really gonna nitpick, showing her killing several would have been better again), without all the yelping.

Given their conversation about him, Bran and Bloodraven have obviously been having chats about the Night/Night's King (his existence, his ambitions etc) over cocoa before bed. I wish we'd been privy to some of these - unlike the Tower of Joy etc, these were contemporary events and there was no real reason not to show them other than to leave the viewer guessing and theorising.

froog wrote: »

?? Why bring rape into a conversation about hodor's death? I swear some people have an unhealthy obsession with it when it comes to this show. It happens in the show and the books, just like real life. If that is such a problem for people they should really try another series.

Congratulations on your spectacular failure to read the posts. We weren't discussing Hodor's death.

Jaden wrote: »

Hodor,
No More.

Nodor...

froog wrote: »

oh my mistake you were discussing a dog's death. the point still stands.

No, it doesn't. Not even a bit.

LionelNashe wrote:

Do you know the names of the top civil servants who report to Enda Kenny?

to be fair sticksman doesn't have a bounty on their heads.

I am living how much chat this has generated amongst book readers... The non book readers thread pails in comparison

I think it was a very good episode, a lot of big ticket items, without dragging anything out too much. Hodor and Summer RIP - it's clear to see book readers have a bigger books with both.

Interesting to see how littlefinger reacts now.. Although I'm still confused what his game is with the north.. Surely a Stark in the north is no use to him in the long run?

Also would like to hear what the iron bank are up to

Grudaire wrote: »

I am living how much chat this has generated amongst book readers... The non book readers thread pails in comparison

I think it was a very good episode, a lot of big ticket items, without dragging anything out too much. Hodor and Summer RIP - it's clear to see book readers have a bigger books with both.

Interesting to see how littlefinger reacts now.. Although I'm still confused what his game is with the north.. Surely a Stark in the north is no use to him in the long run?

Also would like to hear what the iron bank are up to

I've been thinking about his usual tactics. Rather than a direct attack on his potential rivals, he likes to manipulate people into fighting each other while he stays out of it.

Just recently he advised Cersei to let Stannis and the Boltons destroy each other so that she could then attack the winner. Was it the fact that the Boltons had Sansa that caused the rift between the Lannisters and the Boltons? I think this is why he gave Sansa to the Boltons, to pit the Lannisters against the Boltons.

Back in season 1 he manipulated the Starks and the Lannisters into an all out war and they never suspected he was behind it.

Now by telling Sansa about the Blackfish, he draws the Blackfish into the war against the Boltons, weakening both so that he can take advantage of the survivors.

I even wonder if he forged the letter from Ramsay to Jon, to stoke up the tensions between Ramsay and Jon, and to bring the wildlings into the fight.

However if he gets control of the North, or the Riverlands, or even both, I don't see how he can make the final leap to take the Iron Throne.

If he gets the Iron Throne, he has revenge on the world for the insults of his youth; i.e. being given a disparaging nickname, being spurned by Catelyn, and beaten in a duel by Brandon Stark. I think he's coming to the realization that he needs the throne and Sansa both, and Sansa will figure out how to use this against him.

Littlefinger seems to go by Tyrions mantra of wearing insults thrown at you as armor. A man with a littlefinger is the biggest brothel keeper in all the land.

I am loving the reaction to this episode, great to see so many posts!

No one seems to have mentioned the Twins (well, one person above did)

Is it as major a barrier as Moat Callin to those wanting to move troops north?
Little Finger said the Vale Knights are at Moat Callin, but didn't mention having to cross the twins.

Would the Blackfish need to cross there if he agrees to come north with the Riverlanders?

IIRC, the reason Robb needed to cross at the twins was to split his forces and be able to surprise Jaime at the Whispering Wood. The King's Road goes straight up through the neck and bypasses the twins altogether.