Season 6 Episode 5 "The Door" - "Book readers"

wp_rathead wrote: »

Can give or take Ayra's storyline at the moment- i'm sure it is building somewhere but I'm not totally engrossed in it..

To be credible, her period of training in the House of Black and White would have to be lengthy but that also means that for the viewer/reader, there has to be some sort of decent payoff after its all done. It looks like we may be about to come to a conclusion with perhaps her own sense of justice on a collision course with the Faceless Men's business model.

Washington Irving wrote: »

I would sacrifice a thousand Hodors to see Coldhands on that elk.

Would also settle for Benjen. The hype is real.

A fella riding an elk might be a bit too Hobbity. And expensive. If they do bump into someone friendly, he'll be on a horse or foot.

Washington Irving wrote: »

.... If balance is a warty willy then I don't want it.

Theon or Varys might be less fussy.

Kenna Mysterious Scowl wrote: »

...And Tormund's weird smile at Brienne was one of the funniest non-verbal moments I can think of in the show.

Tormund's been brilliant in the last three episodes and he's barely had a line of dialog. Aside from the world class leering, I thought his reaction as the Pink Letter was read out was great. He'll come and see alright.

awec wrote: »

Am I right in thinking that this is the first major character death that has been a surprise for book readers?

I'd have thought Ser Barriston Selmy's early TV exit might have caused more upset - I read the books after that season so was surprised the other way around to find find him at the end of A Dance with Dragons uncomfortably playing politics in Mereen in Dany's absence.

Bambi wrote: »

"I have an one of the biggest armies in westeros and I'll do whatever you tell me to"

"Oh f**k off littlefinger"

That was an officer class decision right there Sansa sweetheart, the correct response was: "Off you go then matey, get stuck into the boltons"

I disagree. Sansa has apparently figured out what her father didn't. Once you know you can't trust Littlefinger, don't ask for his help even when it appears your interests align with his own - he is expert at not just picking the winning side in a fight but also weakening or fooling the winning side so that his own position grows stronger. And as viewers, we already know that her instinct is right, that LF used her as a bargaining chip in a secret alliance with the Boltons so he could unite the military powers of the North and the Vale for his bid for the Iron Throne. Ramsey turning out to be a monster, which he apparently genuinely didn't know beforehand, has thrown plans off a bit but, hey, chaos is a ladder, he still wants Winterfell for himself. I think he does genuinely hold some sort of flame for Sansa (as a Cat substitute) but his lust for power will override that whenever a half chance for strategic gain comes up. She's better off without his "help". That said, he is hardly going to just head off back to the Vale and sulk now.

rawn wrote: »

Loved loved loved this episode. I'm disappointed with show-Euron as i feel they could flesh him out a little more, no mention of Silence? Also Damphair supporting him which is the complete opposite from the books but it's of no consequence.

I really enjoyed the wacky different world of the Iron Islands succession story in the books. It helped that I read it after watching Seasons 1-5 so it had the attraction of being completely unchartered ASOIAF territory for me. Now having taken up this story arc so late in the day, I can understand that the show can't give it much screentime so Kingsmoot Lite, no Victarion and so forth I can accept. But the portrayal of Euron is a bit of a let down, the actor's performance just doesn't have the gravitas or charisma (the script is not great either) that would make you believe that the moot would drop Yara and get behind him. Damphair, on the other hand, though reduced to a peripheral role, is a pretty much spot on - you can smell the seaweed and righteousness off him! And the coronation/drowning scene worked well (great setting, excellent score, no dialog!) .

rawn wrote: »

What's the deal with the red woman in Meerenn? Is she the shows replacement for the Green Grace?

Well, at the end of the last book, Victarion Greyjoy is close to arriving at Mereen having fished a red priest out of the water en route. With either Euron or, more likely, Theon/Yara taking Victarion's place as head of an Iron fleet heading east but waaaay behind in the timeline, I guess we are getting a red priestess/green grace combo character to progress the Saver's Bay politics arc, wherever that's going.

EagererBeaver wrote:

Ffs, it went on for about 3 seconds with a few yelps.

Not sure why you're getting angry...

I thought (and you are perfectly entitled to disagree without the attitude) that it crossed the line between "ah crap, the direwolf is dead" and uncomfortable.

For the most part, these threads are full of interesting discussion. Then there's the few that seemed determined to get offended at the slightest bit of disagreement with their own views who drag the quality of the threads down.

I'm not angry in the slightest, I just find all this lamenting over a direwolf that never really did anything and hasn't been seen for two years a bit strange.

Summer died in a few seconds, buying the others a few more that it turned out they needed. There were a few yelps to let everyone definitively know he was dead. That was it.

Perhaps that was the intention.

Lads, people are entitled to feel discomfort just as much as anyone else is entitled to feel satisfied by story progression or annoyed at the Ironborn.

Watched the last ten minutes of it again last night. I think its the way that the final chase was shot that annoys me than anything else. Its like this this kind of weird, jerky, stop motion chase. Meera and the gang seems to be moving their feet very quickly but not actually sprinting. I dont know - There's a lot of shuffling going on up the tunnel. I cant put my finger on what it reminds me of.
Even leaf dying .... lying still whilst the evil dead are in fast forward mode around her.

Also, we dont know that Hodor is dead !!! Same as Stannis.... we havent seen a body yet !!

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

Just a quick question. Why did the white walkers attack? Was it to kill the people who created them or to get at Bran?

Good bloody question. Night's King had a keen interest in killing Bloodraven, so perhaps something to do with that.

There's enough reason to believe (in my opinion), that those were the last of the Children of the Forest, so perhaps wiping them out of it was part of it too.

I'm pretty sure the Dragons are real.

Regarding the book iron islands, yes those chapters dragged a bit but you still had two great characters in victarion and euron. Vic is not in the show and they got euron completely wrong imo so in that respect it's a disappointment.

Into The Blue wrote: »

I always assumed he was bran from the future, who wargs back too far, and is stuck in the roots for the 1000 years.. do we ever see him walking outside of the visions?

In the books, he is Bloodraven.

He has the same physical description, minus the roots.