Season 6 Episode 5 "The Door" - "Book readers"

Daith · 23-05-2016 09:18AM

I really hope Summer isn't resurrected as some undead direwolf. I couldn't handle Wight Hodor but not Sum...Winter

awec · 23-05-2016 09:24AM

Benjen Stark must surely reappear soon. Surely!

Riskymove · 23-05-2016 09:25AM

So there are only 2 of the Direwolves left?

They haven't proven to be very useful or significant in the TV show anyway!

Daith · 23-05-2016 09:26AM

awec wrote: »

Benjen Stark must surely reappear soon. Surely!

I'd assume so? He's being mentioned more frequently and Bran needs help.

bnt · 23-05-2016 09:26AM

intheclouds wrote: »

Where are Theon and Yara off to?

Well, they've basically been rejected by the rest of the Ironborn, or at least those who were at the Kingsmoot. Who do they know on the mainland? Yara doesn't know anyone; they can't go to Deepwood Motte, unless they want to retake it from the Glovers - and even if they did, what then? Euron would know about that, or soon find out. Theon knows the Boltons, but probably wants to avoid them. Who's left? Starks.

Daith · 23-05-2016 09:28AM

Riskymove wrote: »

So there are only 2 of the Direwolves left?

They haven't proven to be very useful or significant in the TV show anyway!

Lack of direwolves screentime is disappointing. The relationship between Bran and Summer in the books is great. The freedom Bran gets from warging into Summer.

(I know the books can go into more detail but show still could have featured them more)

intheclouds · 23-05-2016 09:29AM

bnt wrote: »

Well, they've basically been rejected by the rest of the Ironborn, or at least those who were at the Kingsmoot. Who do they know on the mainland? Yara doesn't know anyone; they can't gp to Deepwood Motte, since the Glovers have retaken it. Theon knows the Boltons, but probably wants to avoid them. Who's left? Starks.

Yeah, Im thinking the only place they can really go is Eastwatch by the Sea and hope that Jon Snow helps them. Theon knows Sansa Stark is there.

Alternatively they will take the ships they have and get to Danyerys before Euron gets to her and offer their ships to her to get the Dothraki + Unsullied + whoever else army to Westeros?

Daith · 23-05-2016 09:31AM

intheclouds wrote: »

Yeah, Im thinking the only place they can really go is Eastwatch by the Sea and hope that Jon Snow helps them. Theon knows Sansa Stark is there.

Alternatively they will take the ships they have and get to Danyerys before Euron gets to her and offer their ships to her to get the Dothraki + Unsullied + whoever else army to Westeros?

Yeah I think Dany is the direction here. Theon and Varys will have something in common at least.....

EagererBeaver · 23-05-2016 09:34AM

Yes, I assume Theon and Asha/Yara heading east will be a substitute for the Victarion plot from the books.

23-05-2016 09:42AM

intheclouds wrote: »

Yeah, Im thinking the only place they can really go is Eastwatch by the Sea and hope that Jon Snow helps them. Theon knows Sansa Stark is there.

Alternatively they will take the ships they have and get to Danyerys before Euron gets to her and offer their ships to her to get the Dothraki + Unsullied + whoever else army to Westeros?

Theon dying helping Jon and Sansa take back the north would be a nice end to his show arc. Given I think that however means there is no chance it will happen

Daith · 23-05-2016 09:45AM

There's so many possibilities with Bran now but I hope we don't get anymore closed time loops.

Common wisdom is that Bran will pass the wall and his Night King mark will allow the Walkers to pass it or tear it down?

Baggly · 23-05-2016 09:50AM

Daith wrote: »

There's so many possibilities with Bran now but I hope we don't get anymore closed time loops.

Common wisdom is that Bran will pass the wall and his Night King mark will allow the Walkers to pass it or tear it down?

Ha was just writing out some of the possible loops and gave myself a headache.

There have to be limitations to what he can do. Otherwise he could go back and make every event in the series thus far immaterial.

I would imagine it might be used to nudge events - i.e. place a load of Dragonglass somewhere that will be important to a main character at a later date, to give them a fighting chance.....rather than....'huzzah i'm Bran, let's stop my dad's beheading'.

That being said, i wouldnt mind him going back and saving Summer.

Daith · 23-05-2016 10:03AM

Pter wrote: »

Ha was just writing out some of the possible loops and gave myself a headache.

There have to be limitations to what he can do. Otherwise he could go back and make every event in the series thus far immaterial.

I would imagine it might be used to nudge events - i.e. place a load of Dragonglass somewhere that will be important to a main character at a later date, to give them a fighting chance.....rather than....'huzzah i'm Bran, let's stop my dad's beheading'.

That being said, i wouldnt mind him going back and saving Summer.

Someone on Reddit listed every instance of "whispers" being heard. I think Bran made Jon aware of Ghost!

I miss Summer too

Jelle1880 · 23-05-2016 10:06AM

That was some episode...

Really wish they'd stop killing all the Direwolves though

Anyone else feeling that they are going the opposite from some of the previous seasons though ? From sometimes dragging on too long it seems it's all going too fast to me now...

Falthyron · 23-05-2016 10:07AM

Gonna throw this one out there:

What if Bran goes back in time to see Aerys Targaryen, attempts to warg into him for some reason, and this actually makes him the 'Mad King'?

Brian2208 · 23-05-2016 10:07AM

Maybe bran is actually bran the builder. He goes back again to when the white walkers were created an wargs into some giants to build the wall

23-05-2016 10:08AM

Pter wrote: »

Ha was just writing out some of the possible loops and gave myself a headache.

There have to be limitations to what he can do. Otherwise he could go back and make every event in the series thus far immaterial.

I would imagine it might be used to nudge events - i.e. place a load of Dragonglass somewhere that will be important to a main character at a later date, to give them a fighting chance.....rather than....'huzzah i'm Bran, let's stop my dad's beheading'.

That being said, i wouldnt mind him going back and saving Summer.

Everything leading to this point has happened if that makes sense, Bran clearly hasn't gone back to the Red Wedding to save Robb or anything like that because they have already happened in the timeline that we are in. Now if he's responsible for something like Aerys losing his mind and killing Rickard we don't know but what he has changed has already been changed.

One of my friends came up with a plausible Aerys one that "Burn the Wall" sounds a bit like "Burn them all" which is what he was hearing.

Bloodraven never explained his motivations for teaching Bran did he in the show?

bnt · 23-05-2016 10:09AM

EagererBeaver wrote: »

Yes, I assume Theon and Asha/Yara heading east will be a substitute for the Victarion plot from the books.

That might make more strategic sense. I don't think I'm the only one to be wondering just what the point of the Ironborn is, or where they fit in the big picture. If I look at the part Theon has played so far, he could have come from anywhere; no particular reason for him to be Ironborn. We don't yet know what role they will play in the end, but we know Dany needs a fleet.

Dyr · 23-05-2016 10:10AM

I seem to remember the kings moot in the book was a fairly epic affair rather than the fantasy equivalent of a GAA parish committee meeting

Dyr · 23-05-2016 10:12AM

Falthyron wrote: »

Gonna throw this one out there:

What if Bran goes back in time to see Aerys Targaryen, attempts to warg into him for some reason, and this actually makes him the 'Mad King'?

Can bran go back in time now that the undead popsicle horde have control of the tardis tree?

Tazzimus · 23-05-2016 10:15AM

Bambi wrote: »

Can bran go back in time now that the undead popsicle horde have control of the tardis tree?

Comment of the thread right there.

That episode was right in the feels.

Baggly · 23-05-2016 10:16AM

Bambi wrote: »

Can bran go back in time now that the undead popsicle horde have control of the tardis tree?

He could mosey on down to Winterfell and use the Tardis tree there.

Mr.Prodston · 23-05-2016 10:17AM

I....umm....ummm.....Hodor?

It's possible I had big manly shaped tears in my eyes at the end there! What an ending. What an episode! What an absolute mindf*ck this warging is turning out to be.

I had an alternative plot twist rolling around in my head in those final scenes:

We cut back to the Tower of Joy where as well as Jon being born we have Meera, his sister. Then she either dies at the hand of the Nights King or does something badass.

There are no words to sum up how heroic Hodor was at the end....well except for one!

Hodor.

intheclouds · 23-05-2016 10:19AM

Pter wrote: »

He could mosey on down to Winterfell and use the Tardis tree there.

In the books I got the impression that he could only see things through the tardis trees, like he couldnt just walk around through scenes, if the scene wasnt happening next to a tardis tree then he couldnt see it - was that just my imagination?

23-05-2016 10:21AM

bnt wrote: »

That might make more strategic sense. I don't think I'm the only one to be wondering just what the point of the Ironborn is, or where they fit in the big picture. If I look at the part Theon has played so far, he could have come from anywhere; no particular reason for him to be Ironborn. We don't yet know what role they will play in the end, but we know Dany needs a fleet.

They must play a big role in the final stages or they'd have never brought them back imo.

Then again I thought that about Selyse and Shireen...

Baggly · 23-05-2016 10:21AM

intheclouds wrote: »

In the books I got the impression that he could only see things through the tardis trees, like he couldnt just walk around through scenes, if the scene wasnt happening next to a tardis tree then he couldnt see it - was that just my imagination?

From memory that sounds right - as i said, there would have to be limitations on his ability to hop around time.

Daith · 23-05-2016 10:22AM

intheclouds wrote: »

In the books I got the impression that he could only see things through the tardis trees, like he couldnt just walk around through scenes, if the scene wasnt happening next to a tardis tree then he couldnt see it - was that just my imagination?

No, the Three Eyed Crow says that Bran will learn to see things without the aid of the trees. They're like training wheels.

intheclouds · 23-05-2016 10:24AM

Daith wrote: »

No, the Three Eyed Crow says that Bran will learn to see things without the aid of the trees. They're like training wheels.

Ah - that does make more sense.

I guess I just hadnt imagined it as him standing or walking about next to people. Can they walk through him?

Daith · 23-05-2016 10:33AM

intheclouds wrote: »

Ah - that does make more sense.

I guess I just hadnt imagined it as him standing or walking about next to people. Can they walk through him?

No idea. I do like how the show portrays it but the books are different.

When Mel thought Bran was the Other's champion I'm wondering if she was right. Bran is helping the Others just not by choice which would fit into Mel misreading her visions.

Mr.Prodston · 23-05-2016 10:34AM

Rest of the episode then:

- Soooo the children of the forest created the White Walkers then. There is so much to analyse in that but I have no idea where to even start.

- Davos heading to Manderley yes?

If that is a tease from D&D only I will not be held responsible for my actions!!

- The play was pretty funny. Plus we had slight progression for Arya.

- I'd have thought that if Sansa was this newfound wise young woman she'd have kept Littlefinger close at hand to keep an eye on him. Keep your enemies close and all that? Plus he does have an army in fairness.

- The Blackfish eh? If it wasn't for the books I'd suspect that to be a lie from Baelish. Assuming Jaime heads there next week then himself and Brienne are finally on a collision course again. And we know what that should mean right? :pac: Although there's a little too much stone in my heart after Hodor and Summer to expect anything.

- Theon seemed to have almost entirely shed Reek but perhaps it was just the armour and being scrubbed up. Was it too much to expect Euron to have an eye patch? It'll be interesting to see how long it takes them to build 1000 ships from scratch though.

- Shireen is the only person we know to have stopped greyscale isn't she? But she was young. Where does Jorah go I wonder?

- What's the deal with Kinvara? Presumably she's got a whole Mel necklace thing going on too. Was it her magic or does she have more to do with Varys than anyone knows?

- That mark on Bran's arm? The implications there must be high. That was seriously some episode though. Again further proof than what happens in the North is the most interesting stuff in the show.

Season 6 Episode 5 "The Door" - "Book readers"

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