Compulsory Military Service

twowheelsonly · 21-05-2016 06:12PM

Not straight from school but any able bodied person that's either not working or in full-time education, regardless of their 'ethnicity', within 12 months of their 19th birthday then off with them. I'm sure the Army would be well capable of creating posts for those that can't do it for 'health reasons' etc. as well.

Beats the she ite out of paying them dole for life or the fantasy jobsbridge schemes that we have at the moment.

I'd even make it two years !!!!!

twowheelsonly · 21-05-2016 06:12PM

Arsemageddon wrote: »

.....or alternatively the scrotes would be more capable of attacking you after a programme of intensive physical training and being thought hand to hand combat techniques.

Or maybe they mightn't be scrotes anymore !!

Lurkio · 21-05-2016 06:13PM

twowheelsonly wrote: »

Or maybe they mightn't be scrotes anymore !!

They'd be scroti?

freshpopcorn · 21-05-2016 06:14PM

twowheelsonly wrote: »

Not straight from school but any able bodied person that's either not working or in full-time education, regardless of their 'ethnicity', within 12 months of their 19th birthday then off with them. I'm sure the Army would be well capable of creating posts for those that can't do it for 'health reasons' etc. as well.

Beats the she ite out of paying them dole for life or the fantasy jobsbridge schemes that we have at the moment.

I'd even make it two years !!!!!

What if the person wasn't claiming social welfare?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 21-05-2016 06:14PM

Del2005 wrote: »

If everyone has to complete the training then you won't be able to to defend yourself as everyone else will have the same knowledge.

Ya know you can learn that wihtout having to join a military?

freshpopcorn · 21-05-2016 06:18PM

Out of the few lads I know who joined the army be either here or in the UK. There all terribly rough and generally people I wouldn't want to be around. The only guy who'd be nice enough want a united Ireland and has an obsession with Sinn Fein.

Arsemageddon · 21-05-2016 06:20PM

twowheelsonly wrote: »

Or maybe they mightn't be scrotes anymore !!

There have been plenty of studies that show that the effect of juvenile boot camps have on recidivism is minimal

Money spent on measures reducing inequality, well resourced prisons and education are proven to be a far more effective ways of dealing with crime.

Dirty Dingus McGee · 21-05-2016 06:24PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Maybe not for school leavers but I think military academies for "troubled teens" or military type camps for repeat offenders would be a good start.

If they refuse to be productive members of society then drill dicipline into them until they learn. It should be an option though, jail or military.

Absolutely but only if the fella in charge of the academy has a hook for an arm and a patch over one eye and the cadets get up to all sorts of stunts like shaving people bald on their birthdays and seeing how many marshmallow ducks someone can eat etc.

moc moc a moc · 21-05-2016 06:26PM

genericguy wrote: »

I'm not joining the army to give my life

...

genericguy wrote: »

No participation in wars of any sort

Ah here, make up your mind

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 21-05-2016 06:27PM

Out of interest: how many people who are in favour of the idea, have NEVER actually been in the army themselves...?

JustTheOne · 21-05-2016 06:29PM

Vietnam says no.

Average age of fatalities 22.3 years old.

Wrong.

hytrogen · 21-05-2016 06:31PM

I had thought about it as a way to pay for college. But then I read up that the military prefer post grads so they've something else to fall back on when they retire at 35. As well as their qualifications don't stand for much once you step off the base apparently.
Typical Irish backwardness

Guy:Incognito · 21-05-2016 06:34PM

genericguy wrote: »

Nope. I'm not joining the army to give my life for people I've never met, and when I have children I won't be allowing them to join the military either. Politicians start and end arguments with their pens, if they want to scrap let them suit up and get into the trenches themselves.
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Unless you're posting from some wartorn African dictatorship, the use of child soldiers is generally not the done thing so by the time they are old enough to choose their career , you wont have much say.

Timberrrrrrrr · 21-05-2016 06:34PM

Lurkio wrote: »

But as the service is compulsory, said scrotes will be as likely as you to have served in it, I'd imagine.

Yes, they would have the same basic training and would know that anyone else who has served gas also had that training.

Guy:Incognito · 21-05-2016 06:37PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Out of interest: how many people who are in favour of the idea, have NEVER actually been in the army themselves...?

Does that not work both ways ? Or is it ok to dismiss an idea you know nothing about but not to agree with it?

TBH Id be in favour of compulsory beatings for little scrotes.

MRnotlob606 · 21-05-2016 06:39PM

How could we conceivably fund a national service programme, when we already struggle to adequately spend money effectively on our defence forces . We spend less than O.40% of our total GDP, Where countries like Norway spend 1.4% of their GDP on Defence.

MRnotlob606 · 21-05-2016 06:42PM

corner of hells wrote: »

My friends son is due to be conscripted soon into Israeli army.
I'm hoping he might get me some of those little stun grenades they use , they surely couldn't miss a box or two

That is all.

Can I ask why you want Stun Grenades

Permabear · 21-05-2016 06:45PM

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Stigura · 21-05-2016 06:46PM

SimonTemplar wrote: »

This thread reminded me of this great clip from Yes Prime Minister:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0ZZJXw4MTA

Simon Templar, you're a saint!

The moment I saw this thread I thought; " Ooh! Will anyone show us that brilliant sketch from Yes, Prime Minister ...? "

s4uv3 · 21-05-2016 06:51PM

MRnotlob606 wrote: »

Can I ask why you want Stun Grenades

He might have been joking

davycc · 21-05-2016 06:51PM

fedor.2. wrote: »

Ya, but what about the Irish Army

MRnotlob606 wrote: »

Can I ask why you want Stun Grenades

getting an early order in before the halloween rush? :pac:

im bycotting everything isreali including there grenades/ medicines even there fruit and veg

as for the irish army i dont recall any stun grenades in my time (90s)

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 21-05-2016 06:51PM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Does that not work both ways ? Or is it ok to dismiss an idea you know nothing about but not to agree with it?

TBH Id be in favour of compulsory beatings for little scrotes.

"Dismissing an idea you know nothing about" - exactly what makes you think I know more or less than anyone else on the board...?

I just find it hypocritical to say everyone should do military service if said person has never bothered to do it yourself.

mansize · 21-05-2016 06:52PM

Eh no.

This sounds like a Daily Mail idea.

Those rose tinted glasses...

spurious · 21-05-2016 06:56PM

Permabear wrote: »

This post had been deleted.

While I wouldn't be in favour of military service, I would very much favour a system of even two months of voluntary service in some capacity before school leavers, (or anyone who has not worked and paid tax) puts the paw out for benefits.

Guy:Incognito · 21-05-2016 06:58PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

"Dismissing an idea you know nothing about" - exactly what makes you think I know more or less than anyone else on the board...?

I just find it hypocritical to say everyone should do military service if said person has never bothered to do it yourself.

That was my point.

Why is it not hypocritical to just say no without having experienced it?

Barry Badrinath · 21-05-2016 07:00PM

Ok,

Real answer.

The concept of compulsary military training for life experience, civic appreciation, dealing with discipline issues or as an alternative to the judicial system is a flawed concept.

In the majority of cases, a positive effect would be minimal. A militaristic environment is not ideally suited once it is forced on someone. It's hard enough to retain successful applicants once they start Recruits training, and these are people who have jumped through hoops to get there.

The cost to the State to implement such a system would be immense. I would imagine it would easy swallow 5 years worth of the current military budget, which is miniscule. Ongoing costs would be a major issue too.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 21-05-2016 07:07PM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

That was my point.

Why is it not hypocritical to just say no without having experienced it?

Ah, misunderstood the bit in bold a bit, apologies.

No it's not hypocritical, because I'm not making a copulsory decision for someone else, I'm allowing them to make the decision for themselves.

For it to be hypocritical, I would need to be saying that military service should be banned for everyone (even though I never did it and don't know what benefits some people may get out of it).

genericguy · 21-05-2016 07:28PM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Unless you're posting from some wartorn African dictatorship, the use of child soldiers is generally not the done thing so by the time they are old enough to choose their career , you wont have much say.

You do realise that if I had children aged 30, they'd still be my children, right?

And to anyone disagreeing with me, I couldn't care less really. Be bleeding heart sympathisers all you like, but there's no way you'd be pleased if your children were flying out to Sudan or the Lebanon.

Also, to the one that commented on my agenda against Islam, I obviously do have distaste for them, and their disgusting ideology. they never cease to prove me right, either. It's highly disingenuous to use Christianity as a comparison. There are no major crusades ongoing in the name of Jesus Christ. Take Islam out of the equation, and consider how many ongoing conflicts there are in the world then.

Guy:Incognito · 21-05-2016 07:29PM

genericguy wrote: »

You do realise that if I had children aged 30, they'd still be my children, right? .

You do realise you cant make adults do your bidding, right?

pragmatic1 · 21-05-2016 07:36PM

genericguy wrote: »

Nope. I'm not joining the army to give my life for people I've never met, and when I have children I won't be allowing them to join the military either. Politicians start and end arguments with their pens, if they want to scrap let them suit up and get into the trenches themselves.

The Irish military is the ultimate pointless career. No participation in wars of any sort, all they do is sit around refereeing in Muslim villages because Islamic countries can't be trusted to behave in a civilised manner.

I've mates in the army. What a handy job. Basically paid to keep reasonably fit.

Compulsory Military Service

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