A train station for Croke Park?

ardmacha · 11-12-2014 6:46pm #1

There is proposal to demolish the flats by Croke Park and create an entrance plazea.

This is a welcome idea. Is it completely out of the question to suggest that a railway station for events could be here, or is this ridiculous? Is this line operational?

n97 mini · 11-12-2014 7:52pm

This came up before. The best practice now is to build stations in less convenient locations to prevent them getting too busy.

hfallada · 11-12-2014 7:56pm

Well considering Drumcondra station is so close. It doesnt make sense to buy a new station for something that will be used on a Sunday for about half a year.

L1011 · 11-12-2014 9:08pm

ardmacha wrote: »

This is a welcome idea. Is it completely out of the question to suggest that a railway station for events could be here, or is this ridiculous? Is this line operational?

Its operational - used for about 8 trains each way a day and still connected to the network - but is likely too close (as per n97's post there, you don't want them right beside stadia or other venues due to crush risks), and the line is in a cutting.

ClovenHoof · 11-12-2014 9:32pm

That's a load of nonsense about it being too close. Large stadia all over the world have platforms beside the stadium. A major opportunity was lost with this proposal.

Also CIE want to develop the lower canal line into a cycle path which is why they are demolishing its connectivity to the network constantly.

ProudDUB · 11-12-2014 11:50pm

L1011 wrote: »

Its operational - used for about 8 trains each way a day and still connected to the network - but is likely too close (as per n97's post there, you don't want them right beside stadia or other venues due to crush risks), and the line is in a cutting.

Only 8? Doesn't the Dublin-Maynooth commuter train use that line? I'd say that runs more than 8 times a day. Then there are the trains to Sligo/Longford.

I don't think that a station could be put there. It is a raised line. From an engineering point of view, it would be a lot harder to do, than having a ground level train station such as the one beside the Aviva at Landsdowne Rd. Landsdowne works as well as it does, as there is a tunnel running under it which means match and concert goers don't need to cross over the tracks, or use a bridge to get to the stadium. With a raised train line, a tunnel wouldn't be possible.

Carawaystick · 11-12-2014 11:55pm

ProudDUB wrote: »

Only 8? Doesn't the Dublin-Maynooth commuter train use that line? I'd say that runs more than 8 times a day. Then there are the trains to Sligo/Longford.

Most of those trains use the train line at the Railway Rnd
This is at the Canal End

ProudDUB wrote: »

I don't think that a station could be put there. It is a raised line. From an engineering point of view, it would be a lot harder to do, than having a ground level train station such as the one beside the Aviva at Landsdowne Rd. Landsdowne works as well as it does, as there is a tunnel running under it which means match and concert goers don't need to cross over the tracks, or use a bridge to get to the stadium. With a raised train line, a tunnel wouldn't be possible.

The railway at the canal is not raised, the railway at the railway end is the raiders one that crosses over Ballyboughal road and Drumcondra road to Drumcondra station

L1011 · 12-12-2014 9:47am

ProudDUB wrote: »

Only 8? Doesn't the Dublin-Maynooth commuter train use that line? I'd say that runs more than 8 times a day. Then there are the trains to Sligo/Longford.

No, they go the other side, which as pointed out is the raised one. This one is in a cutting and runs under the Davin stand and only has the services to/from Docklands on it as normal passenger workings.

end of the road · 12-12-2014 12:55pm

ClovenHoof wrote: »

CIE want to develop the lower canal line into a cycle path which is why they are demolishing its connectivity to the network constantly.

you couldn't make it up. its the sort of moronic thing CIE would do.

Victor · 13-12-2014 4:48pm

Of course, the station could serve the residents for the rest of the time. However, I think a station on the upper line would be more useful, as it connects better to Connolly.

ClovenHoof wrote: »

That's a load of nonsense about it being too close. Large stadia all over the world have platforms beside the stadium. A major opportunity was lost with this proposal.

Would you like to name some, say how far is between station and stadium and describe how they operate in crowd situations, especially at the end of an event?

n97 mini · 13-12-2014 5:04pm

The Aviva has a station across the road, closer than that one would be to Croke Park.

Grandeeod · 13-12-2014 7:07pm

Victor wrote: »

Of course, the station could serve the residents for the rest of the time. However, I think a station on the upper line would be more useful, as it connects better to Connolly.
Would you like to name some, say how far is between station and stadium and describe how they operate in crowd situations, especially at the end of an event?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchester_United_Football_Ground_railway_station

http://www.stadiumguide.com/arena/

http://www.avivastadium.ie/getting-here

http://www.wembleystadium.com/TheStadium/StadiumGuide/DisabledAccess/GettingToWembley

GerardKeating · 13-12-2014 7:11pm

n97 mini wrote: »

The Aviva has a station across the road, closer than that one would be to Croke Park.

And they tend to close it when there is a match.

Grandeeod · 13-12-2014 7:20pm

GerardKeating wrote: »

And they tend to close it when there is a match.

According to its website, you use it for Green ticket entry.

n97 mini · 13-12-2014 7:25pm

GerardKeating wrote: »

And they tend to close it when there is a match.

No the don't. They close GCD. Even says on their website that LR station can cope with the large crowds.

AngryLips · 13-12-2014 8:21pm

hfallada wrote: »

Well considering Drumcondra station is so close. It doesnt make sense to buy a new station for something that will be used on a Sunday for about half a year.

I think Drumcondra and Summerhill are sufficiently far apart and distinctly of two different neighbourhoods as to warrant being served by two separate stations. Of course, a station on the upper line would work best and would increase in utility once Dart is extended out to Maynooth.

Grandeeod · 13-12-2014 11:41pm

Victor wrote: »

Of course, the station could serve the residents for the rest of the time. However, I think a station on the upper line would be more useful, as it connects better to Connolly.
Would you like to name some, say how far is between station and stadium and describe how they operate in crowd situations, especially at the end of an event?

You have thanked a post that is incorrect regarding the Aviva. I have outlined other stadiums that have rail connections. So how about comment on that.

Zebra3 · 14-12-2014 6:15pm

A station there could at least be used for inter city services when events are on especially if the PPT is put to good use again.

Why bring people in only as far as Heuston when you can bring them right into the vicinity of the stadium?

cgcsb · 20-05-2016 10:22am

Is nobody going to mention how horrific it is to propose we demolish social housing to make way for an 'entrance plaza' while we are experiencing a housing crisis and many children are living in hotels eating ready meals?

irishgrover · 20-05-2016 10:35am

cgcsb wrote: »

Is nobody going to mention how horrific it is to propose we demolish social housing to make way for an 'entrance plaza' while we are experiencing a housing crisis and many children are living in hotels eating ready meals?

probably not, as that (potentially valid discussion) would really belong in another forum, not a transport one..

Podge_irl · 20-05-2016 10:44am

Grandeeod wrote: »

You have thanked a post that is incorrect regarding the Aviva. I have outlined other stadiums that have rail connections. So how about comment on that.

Under proposed public transport improvements for Greater Manchester, the station would be closed and replaced with a new station a short distance away in White City, where regular services would stop.

So that's basically just like Drumcondra station, which is also closer to Croke Park than Wembley Park is to Wembley.

Is there something wrong with Drumcondra station for servicing Croke Park (apart from, I imagine, not a huge amount of services but a new train station won't fix that).

LXFlyer · 20-05-2016 11:14am

Firstly this is a zombie thread, and some people are replying to posts from 18 months ago, but secondly that location can only be served by trains from the Sligo line.

You'd need a scissors crossover at Glasnevin Junction for trains from Heuston to serve it and that (along with the associated signalling) would not be cheap.

monument · 20-05-2016 11:35am

lxflyer wrote: »

Firstly this is a zombie thread, and some people are replying to posts from 18 months ago,

On that note

monument · 20-05-2016 9:04pm

monument wrote: »

On that note

By user request I'm opening this up to discussion again. I'm border line with the zombie thread closing but then again there's already good examples of why zombie posts should be closed (ie responding to two year old threads as if they were posted yesterday).

We'll see how this goes, if it does not work, it'll be locked again.

-- moderator

Wild Garlic · 20-05-2016 9:48pm

Lansdowne road works very well for match days, very efficient and safe.
GCD closes for about an hour after the match as per Gardai instructions.

Pete_Cavan · 21-05-2016 11:29am

Podge_irl wrote: »

Is there something wrong with Drumcondra station for servicing Croke Park (apart from, I imagine, not a huge amount of services but a new train station won't fix that).

Well the entrance to Drumcondra station is small and pokey with a lack of gates, they really should get rid of the wee shop and remodel the station to handle larger crowds.

Wild Garlic wrote: »

GCD closes for about an hour after the match as per Gardai instructions.

Out of interest, will this still be the case when the new turnback platform becomes operational at GCD? With GCD closed I assume trains would be able to terminate there, or will improvements to the station mean it will remain open?

Jayop · 21-05-2016 11:46am

Drumcondra isn't fit for purpose on match day. It stopped there the morning of the league finals and thank God everyone was calm and didn't start pushing because it was a nightmare trying to get out. Almost the entire sligo train which was packed got off there.

thomasj · 21-05-2016 11:51am

Jayop wrote:

Drumcondra isn't fit for purpose on match day. It stopped there the morning of the league finals and thank God everyone was calm and didn't start pushing because it was a nightmare trying to get out. Almost the entire sligo train which was packed got off there.

The bigger problem would be segregating maynooth line from Kildare line passengers on match and concert days. Could you imagine trying to get on a maynooth line train and a bunch of Kildare line passengers blocking your access. Not to mention crowd numbers on the platform.

Captain Chaos · 21-05-2016 11:54am

A far, far better idea is to put Glasnevin Junction back the way it was so that trains coming from Heuston can access the line either side of Croke Park. This would then enable another station to be built under the opposite side of the stadium. It's a win, win idea all round as you are solving the capacity can space issues all at the same time.

Jayop · 21-05-2016 12:16pm

thomasj wrote: »

The bigger problem would be segregating maynooth line from Kildare line passengers on match and concert days. Could you imagine trying to get on a maynooth line train and a bunch of Kildare line passengers blocking your access. Not to mention crowd numbers on the platform.

I'm a bogger so I don't really know the relevance of any of that or how busy a train from a certain place would be generally.

salmocab · 21-05-2016 5:46pm

Could someone put up a map showing the current lines in relation to CP and where the drumcondra station is as its difficult to work out what some people are saying? cheers

A train station for Croke Park?

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