Missing man at the Cliffs of Moher.

JustShon · 20-05-2016 02:58PM

Stephen Hero wrote: »

Thanks

My problem is with hypocrisy

People saying that we have a suicide problem

while simultaneously supporting euphemistic and sanitised reporting of suicides or cover-ups.

This, all of this. Reports make it sound so nice; "Such and such tragically chose to end their life on *insert date here*

Makes it sound so peaceful.

The reality is usually much worse "Such and such stuck a double-barrel shotgun in their mouth and liquidised their own head to the point where they needed to be reconstructed for the open-casket burial."

I don't think those details should be in the media necessarily but we should be bringing more attention to the horror of someone actually killing themselves

drunkmonkey · 20-05-2016 03:00PM

clairewithani wrote: »

In fairness new mothers can feel very isolated. In this day and age family support systems are not what they were and district nurses can pick up on problems small children have that mothers might not. Why is it suicide v new mothers? Why can both not be given support?

That's what i'm saying, don't abandon people just because there not a baby, keep the support going. Pay just as much attention to adults if there's an issue.

Jazus did you really think I was going to bring the wrath of mammies on myself:o

clairewithani · 20-05-2016 03:02PM

Stephen Hero wrote: »

Thanks

My problem is with hypocrisy

People saying that we have a suicide problem

while simultaneously supporting euphemistic and sanitised reporting of suicides or cover-ups.

"Died in tragic circumstances" another euphamism that hurts me. My friend died in "an accident" caused by a drunk driver *leaving a wife and two young daughters) "My cousin "died in tragic circumstances " after an overdose. My friend's death was equally tragic in my opinion but our local paper only uses the term "in tragic circumstances" for suicide.

clairewithani · 20-05-2016 03:04PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

That's what i'm saying, don't abandon people just because there not a baby, keep the support going. Pay just as much attention to adults if there's an issue.

Jazus did you really think I was going to bring the wrath of mammies on myself:o

Mis-interpreted your post. Looking back on your posts you just asked for parity, not priority.

drunkmonkey · 20-05-2016 03:04PM

JustShon wrote: »

I don't think those details should be in the media necessarily but we should be bringing more attention to the horror of someone actually killing themselves

They do it on cigarettes why not on suicide posters,
"This is Jimmy's face after it landed on the pavement from 4 stories, don't be like Jimmy, get help!!"

_Whimsical_ · 20-05-2016 03:06PM

Is it known who the person is?
Was it posted or is this all done by pm ?

brooke 2 · 20-05-2016 03:09PM

Stephen Hero wrote: »

I did the Darkness Into Light walk a couple of weeks ago and have also contributed to Pieta House.

But seeing secrecy like this and deaths being reported inaccurately on an ongoing basis (i.e. suicide not mentioned) are making me regret my generosity.

Want to cover up suicide? Fine but if you think you're getting funding to "raise awareness" then f**k off.

People like you who do these walks are very well intentioned. It seems the money raised does help a lot of people - from what I read, anyway.
But, I can thoroughly understand your anger re
the attempts to cover up suicide. You only have to read this thread and see phrases such as 'situations like this' and 'protecting his reputation' to realise that there is a long road to travel before the stigma attached to suicide is removed.

brooke 2 · 20-05-2016 03:10PM

RoisinD wrote: »

Whatever about the speculation is to who the person is a very big thank you to the Doolin Coast Guard who have been searching day and night since the person 's car was found at the Cliffs.

They are all voluntary and do trojan work. They had said that they would keep searching until the body was found. This was the 2nd recovery this week. They are a vital part of the community and very much appreciated.

+1000!!!

elastico · 20-05-2016 03:11PM

_Whimsical_ wrote: »

Is it known who the person is?
Was it posted or is this all done by pm ?

Whoever it was supposed to be seemingly was on the radio this morning, but nobody seems to be able to say who was on the radio this morning.

At least that's my take on it based on a quick scan of this thread.

If somebody has the low down please send it to me by PM.

_Whimsical_ · 20-05-2016 03:13PM

elastico wrote: »

Whoever it was supposed to be seemingly was on the radio this morning, but nobody seems to be able to say who was on the radio this morning.

At least that's my take on it based on a quick scan of this thread.

If somebody has the low down please send it to me by PM.

Send it to me too please!!

Hmmm interesting. I wonder if the person on the radio knows the were the subject of such speculation.

UpCork · 20-05-2016 03:16PM

_Whimsical_ wrote: »

Send it to me too please!!

Hmmm interesting. I wonder if the person on the radio knows the were the subject of such speculation.

According to Twitter, yes they do.

clairewithani · 20-05-2016 03:18PM

Whether this person fell or jumped the loss of a human life is the main point, not who it is. This is someone who mattered to a family. The whole " wonder who it is/ why won't they release the name" or "PM me if you have a name" thing is a bit sickening.

pc7 · 20-05-2016 03:26PM

_Whimsical_ wrote: »

Send it to me too please!!

Hmmm interesting. I wonder if the person on the radio knows the were the subject of such speculation.

Is the person no longer missing? was it a misunderstanding?

brooke 2 · 20-05-2016 03:28PM

JustShon wrote: »

As I said at the bottom of the last page (where posts never get noticed), the authorities do actually treat the information around suicides as sensitive and will only release as much information to the media as the family is comfortable with. At least that's how it was handled when my sister killed herself. I actually managed to keep that one away from my classmates in school for a good 7 years until some gossip got their hands on it.

As I said in an earlier post, the local Sergeant was fantastic when my brother died by suicide many years ago, at a time when it was not as commonplace as now. I understand the sensitivity about the subject. My point is that, in spite of all the publicity and sympathy about suicide nowadays, there is still a stigma attached to it, witness your not telling your classmates 'until some gossip got their hands on it'.

Walter H Price · 20-05-2016 03:31PM

Some of the comments here are in very bad taste , its not a dram a man has lost his life in tragic circumstances , and his family have no doubt been through hell for the last week, asking for his name to be put out their or to be PM'd is a bit low to be hones.

RIP to the deceased and i hope this brings some form of closure to his family.

drunkmonkey · 20-05-2016 03:31PM

UpCork wrote: »

According to Twitter, yes they do.

There's been no activity on his twitter in 12 days.

brooke 2 · 20-05-2016 03:31PM

Stephen Hero wrote: »

Thanks

My problem is with hypocrisy

People saying that we have a suicide problem

while simultaneously supporting euphemistic and sanitised reporting of suicides or cover-ups.

Exactly! Someone gets it!!

unseenfootage · 20-05-2016 03:33PM

Any stigma attached to suicides should not only remain but be reinforced, for the greater good, to discourage others from contemplating doing the same.

20-05-2016 03:36PM

.. I mean we don't know whether the guy took his own life.

brooke 2 · 20-05-2016 03:36PM

clairewithani wrote: »

"Died in tragic circumstances" another euphamism that hurts me. My friend died in "an accident" caused by a drunk driver *leaving a wife and two young daughters) "My cousin "died in tragic circumstances " after an overdose. My friend's death was equally tragic in my opinion but our local paper only uses the term "in tragic circumstances" for suicide.

'was found dead' another euphemism.

DBB · 20-05-2016 03:41PM

unseenfootage wrote: »

Any stigma attached to suicides should not only remain but be reinforced, for the greater good, to discourage others from contemplating doing the same.

I'm not sure you quite understand the mindset of a person who has reached the stage that they believe the world would be better off without them in it.

brooke 2 · 20-05-2016 03:45PM

unseenfootage wrote: »

Any stigma attached to suicides should not only remain but be reinforced, for the greater good, to discourage others from contemplating doing the same.

You obviously don't believe in 'Turning The Tide'!

LorMal · 20-05-2016 03:46PM

brooke 2 wrote: »

'was found dead' another euphemism.

No it isn't. The cause of death is often not readily or immediately established. Do you suggest journalists just have a punt?

There are often very good reasons why the apparent cause of death is not immediately or graphically reported - sensitivity to the family / friends, allowing the deceased have some personal dignity, the potential of foul play, lack of evidence etc.

That is why we have coroners. Why do people think we deserve to know the intimate details of someones private business?

Boom_Bap · 20-05-2016 03:47PM

MOD
Stop speculating. There is nothing about this missing persons case being a suicide.
Suicide is an important topic but linking it to this missing persons case is not the place.

I don't want to see any more PM requests for speculation either.

mansize · 20-05-2016 03:49PM

http://www.samaritans.org/your-community/samaritans-work-ireland/media-guidelines-ireland

The Samaritans gave a guide to reporting suicides, as it is know to increase rates of suicide if inappropriately reported

Stephen Hero · 20-05-2016 03:55PM

Different people react in different ways.

A friend of mine feels the same way about the suicide cover-ups.

You know those Facebook posts of missing people and subsequent updates that their bodies have been found?

Well if he sees that nobody has mentioned the suicide word he'll post a comment like

"RIP to John. I hope they get the person who did this."

thereby implying that there are suspicious circumstances when there are in fact, none.

The end result is that somebody will eventually blurt out that John committed suicide so that people will stop speculating.

Not the ideal way to promote awareness of mental health issues and suicide but it works.

Shame on the people who hide behind euphemisms and won't face up to the elephant in the room.

LorMal · 20-05-2016 03:57PM

Stephen Hero wrote: »

Different people react in different ways.

A friend of mine feels the same way about the suicide cover-ups.

You know those Facebook posts of missing people and subsequent updates that their bodies have been found?

Well if he sees that nobody has mentioned the suicide word he'll post a comment like

"RIP to John. I hope they get the person who did this."

thereby implying that there are suspicious circumstances when there are in fact, none.

The end result is that somebody will eventually blurt out that John committed suicide so that people will stop speculating.

Not the ideal way to promote awareness of mental health issues and suicide but it works.

Shame on the people who hide behind euphemisms and won't face up to the elephant in the room.

Your friend sounds like an insensitive buffoon.

xabi · 20-05-2016 03:58PM

Stephen Hero wrote: »

Different people react in different ways.

A friend of mine feels the same way about the suicide cover-ups.

You know those Facebook posts of missing people and subsequent updates that their bodies have been found?

Well if he sees that nobody has mentioned the suicide word he'll post a comment like

"RIP to John. I hope they get the person who did this."

thereby implying that there are suspicious circumstances when there are in fact, none.

The end result is that somebody will eventually blurt out that John committed suicide so that people will stop speculating.

Not the ideal way to promote awareness of mental health issues and suicide but it works.

Shame on the people who hide behind euphemisms and won't face up to the elephant in the room.

He sounds like a right wanker

Penny Tration · 20-05-2016 03:59PM

Stephen Hero wrote: »

Different people react in different ways.

A friend of mine feels the same way about the suicide cover-ups.

You know those Facebook posts of missing people and subsequent updates that their bodies have been found?

Well if he sees that nobody has mentioned the suicide word he'll post a comment like

"RIP to John. I hope they get the person who did this."

thereby implying that there are suspicious circumstances when there are in fact, none.

The end result is that somebody will eventually blurt out that John committed suicide so that people will stop speculating.

Not the ideal way to promote awareness of mental health issues and suicide but it works.

Shame on the people who hide behind euphemisms and won't face up to the elephant in the room.

Your friend is a prick.

eviltwin · 20-05-2016 04:00PM

Stephen Hero wrote: »

Different people react in different ways.

A friend of mine feels the same way about the suicide cover-ups.

You know those Facebook posts of missing people and subsequent updates that their bodies have been found?

Well if he sees that nobody has mentioned the suicide word he'll post a comment like

"RIP to John. I hope they get the person who did this."

thereby implying that there are suspicious circumstances when there are in fact, none.

The end result is that somebody will eventually blurt out that John committed suicide so that people will stop speculating.

Not the ideal way to promote awareness of mental health issues and suicide but it works.

Shame on the people who hide behind euphemisms and won't face up to the elephant in the room.

Your "friend"...right

Missing man at the Cliffs of Moher.

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