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    #62
    beach_walker
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    I'd go. Don't envy the tough job the French authorities will have.


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    #63
    topper75
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,942 ✭✭✭topper75


    Deleted User wrote: »
    What is up with modern far-right wingers being such soft c*nts?
    The Backwards Man wrote: »
    Far right whingers.

    Yeah. :mad:

    You don't see any lefties flinching when the machine gun rounds are let loose in a crowd or ducking like cowards when the shrapnel flies.

    Harden up whingers.

    The islamic lads are just letting off steam. Don't be making an issue.


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    #64
    Trent Houseboat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,116 ✭✭✭Trent Houseboat


    What a lovely strawman you've constructed.

    Nobody has claimed to be John Rambo or that Islamist terrorism is justified. But you know that, otherwise you wouldn't have had to create a false argument to defeat.
    People are saying that to live in constant fear or to let it adversely effect your life to any great extent is exactly the motivation behind terrorism.


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    #65
    FizzleSticks
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    #66
    topper75
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    Quite a few recent incidents mean France is simply not a place you gallop into without caution, however much some want to pretend to the contrary.

    This has nothing to do with political outlook whatsoever. Linking far right politics with common sense survival instinct was the first strawman argument.

    For the religious extremists who have already targeted a friendly football match, an international tournament presents a spectacular to at least consider. And we in turn should at least consider that.


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    #67
    Trent Houseboat
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    By all means, take caution, then continue doing what you were going to do anyway.


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    #68
    FTA69
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    topper75 wrote: »
    Quite a few recent incidents mean France is simply not a place you gallop into without caution, however much some want to pretend to the contrary.

    This has nothing to do with political outlook whatsoever. Linking far right politics with common sense survival instinct was the first strawman argument.

    For the religious extremists who have already targeted a friendly football match, an international tournament presents a spectacular to at least consider. And we in turn should at least consider that.

    France really is a place you'd visit without caution. It really is. In fact it's one of the safest places in the world to visit. You are more likely to die on the drive to the ferry in Rosslare, more likely to sink in the ferry on the way over and more likely to get a belt of a motorbike in Paris than you are to be the victim of a terrorist attack.

    That's not me being facetious or blasé either, it's just plain unaltered fact.

    If you're a person looking at the likes of France and thinking 'ooh I best not head over as it's dangerous' you're allowing yourself to be blinded by irrational fear and at the end of the day, should probably stay in your own gaff for all eternity.


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    #69
    FalconGirl
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    FTA69 wrote: »
    France really is a place you'd visit without caution. It really is. In fact it's one of the safest places in the world to visit. You are more likely to die on the drive to the ferry in Rosslare, more likely to sink in the ferry on the way over and more likely to get a belt of a motorbike in Paris than you are to be the victim of a terrorist attack.

    That's not me being facetious or blasé either, it's just plain unaltered fact.

    If you're a person looking at the likes of France and thinking 'ooh I best not head over as it's dangerous' you're allowing yourself to be blinded by irrational fear and at the end of the day, should probably stay in your own gaff for all eternity.

    I'd go to the euros if I could find the time however France definitely isn't the bastion of safety you are making it out to be in light of recent events. For sure it once was. 130 people were just mass murdered a few months ago and there have been other incidents. We are in new territory for Europe with ISIS and unchecked immigration and consequently the risks of getting caught up in a terrorist attack are multiples higher than they were two years ago or at Euro 2012. I'd imagine it may be quite difficult to enjoy aspects of it with the phenomenal security operation that will be in place.


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    #70
    Maximus Alexander
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    FalconGirl wrote: »
    I'd go to the euros if I could find the time however France definitely isn't the bastion of safety you are making it out to be in light of recent events. For sure it once was. 130 people were just mass murdered a few months ago and there have been other incidents. We are in new territory for Europe with ISIS and unchecked immigration and consequently the risks of getting caught up in a terrorist attack are multiples higher than they were two years ago or at Euro 2012. I'd imagine it may be quite difficult to enjoy aspects of it with the phenomenal security operation that will be in place.

    Multiples of tiny numbers are still tiny numbers. The risk of a random individual being caught up in a terrorist attack is vanishingly small.

    Even if you were in a stadium and a bomb went off and killed 100 people, the odds that you'd be one of them would be a fraction of a percent.


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    #71
    Beefy78
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    FalconGirl wrote: »
    I'd go to the euros if I could find the time however France definitely isn't the bastion of safety you are making it out to be in light of recent events. For sure it once was. 130 people were just mass murdered a few months ago and there have been other incidents. We are in new territory for Europe with ISIS and unchecked immigration and consequently the risks of getting caught up in a terrorist attack are multiples higher than they were two years ago or at Euro 2012. I'd imagine it may be quite difficult to enjoy aspects of it with the phenomenal security operation that will be in place.

    130 people in a country of 70m+. Everything that FTA69 just said is true and more. These extremely rare attacks are designed to promote terror and posts like yours, which defy any sort of examination of the facts or the odds, perpetuate that terror and show why it happens in the first place.


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    #72
    FTA69
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    FalconGirl wrote: »
    I'd go to the euros if I could find the time however France definitely isn't the bastion of safety you are making it out to be in light of recent events. For sure it once was. 130 people were just mass murdered a few months ago and there have been other incidents. We are in new territory for Europe with ISIS and unchecked immigration and consequently the risks of getting caught up in a terrorist attack are multiples higher than they were two years ago or at Euro 2012. I'd imagine it may be quite difficult to enjoy aspects of it with the phenomenal security operation that will be in place.

    200 people were blown up in Spain, scores were killed in the UK on 7/7; should we avoid the odd trip to Malaga now and sh*t ourselves at the prospect of going to a gig in London?

    The city I live in is probably a huge target for this crowd but if I'd be a fool to walk around in fear or be tentative about going to see Tottenham or a band or have a few drinks or get the Tube to work. The reality is that I'm more likely to get killed by some tramp trying to rob my phone than I am to be killed by an Islamic terrorist. The purpose of terror is indeed to terrify and I can see how these high-profile brash attacks can colour views, but as I said above - if you are going to come to harm in Europe it's highly unlikely to be as a result of terrorism.

    If you get to the point you're refusing to go on holidays then you've lost your grip on the actuality of the situation.


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    #73
    DEFTLEFTHAND
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,499 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    Ok so we've seen in the past while that France has a problem with Islamic extremism, ISIS have said themselves that they plan to attack Europe again this summer.

    I don't see how expressing concern about attending the Euros (a potential target for attack) is considered a 'Far Right' opinion. Fear is a natural human emotion.

    There no point in turning this thread into a virtue signalling circle jerk, imo this subject is worthy of honest discussion not sneering ridicule.


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    #74
    JackieBauer
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    Fukk yeah, I would go! Fukk ISIS and anyone like them. You'd be an awful pansy if you didn't go anywhere. I'd be more concerned with lack of money than some sissy muslim extremists. Bunch of cowards who worship a paedo


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    #75
    The King of Moo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,207 ✭✭✭The King of Moo


    RIGHTisRIGHT wrote: »
    First off not getting into a PC debate I now the vast majority of Muslims are not terrorists however it's a fact the vast majority of terrorists are Muslims.
    RIGHTisRIGHT wrote: »
    We have the events in Germany on new years eve hundreds of women sexually assaulted and many raped.
    This is an ongoing problem in Germany and Sweden that is brushed under the carpet for PC reasons.
    Sexual assaults in public swimming pools in Europe.
    In the past two years we have had two attacks in Paris.
    The attacks in Brussels.
    A Russian plane blown out of the air leaving Egypt.
    A hijacked Plane from Egypt landing in Cyprus a couple of months ago.
    The Plane from Paris to Cairo yesterday looks very much like another Islamic terror attack.

    Apart from the PC brigade others will cite the low chances of being caught up in a terror attack and this does not wash with me as we all know the 2016 Euros are a prime target and we all know it.

    My question is knowing all of the above would you feel safe attending the tournament in France this year or bringing your family?
    I am traveling to another European destination during the opening week of the Euros and I will admit it is a concern.

    Sure you're not.


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    #76
    The Backwards Man
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    DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »
    Ok so we've seen in the past while that France has a problem with Islamic extremism, ISIS have said themselves that they plan to attack Europe again this summer.

    I don't see how expressing concern about attending the Euros (a potential target for attack) is considered a 'Far Right' opinion. Fear is a natural human emotion.

    There no point in turning this thread into a virtue signalling circle jerk, imo this subject is worthy of honest discussion not sneering ridicule.

    Absolutely, this subject deserves serious discussion.

    Scaremongering bullcrap is not serious discussion, it's hijacking genuine concerns for ideological gain, and it deserves all the sneering ridicule it can get.


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    #77
    Collie D
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,590 ✭✭✭✭Collie D


    DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »
    Ok so we've seen in the past while that France has a problem with Islamic extremism, ISIS have said themselves that they plan to attack Europe again this summer.

    I don't see how expressing concern about attending the Euros (a potential target for attack) is considered a 'Far Right' opinion. Fear is a natural human emotion.

    There no point in turning this thread into a virtue signalling circle jerk, imo this subject is worthy of honest discussion not sneering ridicule.

    I think the OP started that when despite him saying it wasn't a PC bashing thread he went on to bash what he deemed to be PC.

    On topic. I'm going to all three matches (and hopefully all the way ot the final :pac:). I won't let the risk of an attack put me off but it definitely will be on my mind.

    Security will be heavy but if I were a terrorist the Euros would be high up on my list and no amount of security could stop me detonating a bomb or taking out a few people with an AK47 before I'm taken out. Intelligence rather than security is the key to stopping these attacks.


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    #78
    topper75
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    Beefy78 wrote: »
    130 people in a country of 70m+. Everything that FTA69 just said is true and more. These extremely rare attacks are designed to promote terror and posts like yours, which defy any sort of examination of the facts or the odds, perpetuate that terror and show why it happens in the first place.

    My posts are why it happens? Really?

    I'm having a good smirk at your use of the phrase 'defy any sort of examination' in that context.
    FTA69 wrote: »
    If you get to the point you're refusing to go on holidays then you've lost your grip on the actuality of the situation.

    I would say if you ignore Tunisian beach assault, the Sinai plane crash, the Bataclan and other attacks with a Carry On mindset, you've possibly lost your survival instinct.

    There is a new scene out there today. None of those victims signed up for any war. They were like you and I.

    I hope those who go enjoy themselves and are safe. But to suggest that the bastards won't consider the packed stadia as an opportunity? That is some folly.


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    #79
    Beefy78
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    I wasn't talking to you. Are you aware of how the quoting function works?


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    #80
    Westernyelp
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    I'll be in Bordeaux for the game. Can't wait! More worried about the Belgians


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    #81
    The King of Moo
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    Westernyelp wrote: »
    I'll be in Bordeaux for the game. Can't wait! More worried about the Belgians

    Never trusted them either.


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    #82
    namloc1980
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    26,000 people died in road traffic accidents in the EU last year with over 200,000 suffering serious injuries. That's frightening. c.140 were killed in terrorist incidents in the same time frame. By all means be cautious but take a step back. Otherwise you might as well barricade yourself into your house.


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    #83
    endacl
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    namloc1980 wrote: »
    26,000 people died in road traffic accidents in the EU last year with over 200,000 suffering serious injuries. That's frightening. c.140 were killed in terrorist incidents in the same time frame. By all means be cautious but take a step back. Otherwise you might as well barricade yourself into your house.

    430000 premature caused by air pollution in Europe in 2015. The barricade would be a waste of money unless you also install a decent air filtration system.


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    #84
    Aidric
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    Heading to the Belgium game in Bordeaux. Have I thought about the terrorist threat? Yes I have, but what western state isn't a target these days?

    I comfort myself in the fact that France has launched an unprecedented security operation ahead of the tournament.
    The organizers are drafting in 10,000 to 15,000 security staff for over 110 sites, including stadiums, team hotels and other tournament sites. High-tech equipment will be used to monitor crowds.

    A culture of fear is what these terrorists hope to sow. I'm not prepared to play in to their hands. I'm going to go to Bordeaux and soak up all the carnival the Euros offers up. If it's anything like Poland then we are in for a treat.


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    #85
    El Chapo
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    Heading over to Lille for the final group game against those sexy Italians.

    My only worry is we'll be mathematically out before then.


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    #86
    Dempsey
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    I'm going to Paris for the 1st game, no tickets yet.

    Have I thought about not going? I have entertained the idea but only for a matter of seconds. The situation would have to get much worse before I'd seriously consider not going.

    More chance of being killed going to work.


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    #87
    Billy86
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    RIGHTisRIGHT wrote: »
    First off not getting into a PC debate I now the vast majority of Muslims are not terrorists however it's a fact the vast majority of terrorists are Muslims.
    "I want to shout about how much I hate others but for the love of god please, please don't go criticising my unfounded and inaccurate rants."

    Something something PC liberal treehugger safe spaces trigger word something something.


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    #88
    psheaser
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    The Backwards Man wrote:
    I'm not going to the Euros, but I'd go in a heartbeat if it would do anything to shut up right wing anti Muslim loons with blatant agendas and get them to sell their bigotry elsewhere. But it won't, such is the free society we live in.


    The far left deluded do gooders are as backwards as you can get.


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    #89
    Pawwed Rig
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    psheaser wrote: »
    deluded do gooders

    Does he play on the left for Albania??


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    #90
    Joxer_Daly
    Site Banned Posts: 104 ✭✭Joxer_Daly


    Cienciano wrote: »
    Sounds like a conservative amercians, scared of the big bad terrorists and convinced "terrorists" are everywhere. As long as you're afraid and scared ISIS and the politicians that want more unnecessary laws to monitor you are happy.
    Islamic State militants are gearing up for a campaign of bomb attacks on large crowds in France, host to next month’s Euro 2016 soccer championships, its spy chief has said.

    Rare remarks by Patrick Calvar, the head of France’s DGSI internal intelligence agency, to the parliament’s defence committee spelled out “a new form of attack … characterised by placing explosive devices in places where there are large crowds and repeating this type of action to create a climate of maximum panic.

    “Clearly, France is the most threatened and we know that Daesh (Islamic State) is planning new attacks,” Calvar told the committee on May 10, according to a transcript of his testimony released to the media on Thursday.

    The comments came six months after militants killed 130 people in coordinated assaults on cafes, bars, a football stadium and a music hall across Paris.

    He said the militant group had the numbers to launch the new attacks, including some 645 French citizens or residents currently in Syria or Iraq, of which 400 were fighters. A further 201 were either in transit to or from the region, he said.

    It is not scaremongering. Even the head of French intelligence has said that an attack is almost inevitable.


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    #91
    Joxer_Daly
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    cowboyBuilder wrote: »
    Euros will be really safe this year.
    Security will be high and I guarantee nothing is gonna happen.

    France, Germany, Belgium and probably Sweden are flooded with these guys, and more are flooding in each week, of course they're going to attack.

    This summer is going to be packed with attacks, and I'm saying that as a realist, not a pessimist. Anyone who believes otherwise is very very naive.


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