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Gangland Shootings in Dublin MOD Warning in Post #1 (updated 29/05/16)

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  • #3452
    tomofson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,651 ✭✭✭tomofson


    gangstergossip wrote: »
    i would imagine it would be big news if the firearm was recovered, seems everyone here can agree that the facial recognition wouldnt be enough to convict and the gardai must have something concrete so could somebody thats been held have made a statement against the drag lady

    Certain facts the gardai are sure to keep out of the media and out of public knowledge


  • #3453
    Supernintento Chalmers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 570 ✭✭✭Supernintento Chalmers


    Prison will hardly be safe for him.


  • #3454
    tomofson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,651 ✭✭✭tomofson


    Supernintento Chalmers wrote: »
    Prison will hardly be safe for him.

    He will join hes brother on protection there is a few of the H camp in there on the numbers


  • #3455
    Tilly
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,987 ✭✭✭Tilly


    Wonder will this be the end of it now


  • #3456
    tomofson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,651 ✭✭✭tomofson


    Tilly wrote: »
    Wonder will this be the end of it now

    Very unlikely, If anything it might make the other side more brazen


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  • #3457
    Tilly
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,987 ✭✭✭Tilly


    tomofson wrote: »
    Very unlikely

    Why not tho?


  • #3458
    Nemesis......
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28 ✭Nemesis......


    Tilly wrote: »
    Wonder will this be the end of it now

    Unfortunately not a bit likely


  • #3459
    tomofson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,651 ✭✭✭tomofson


    Tilly wrote: »
    Why not tho?

    With him off scene I'd say the others will get more brave and keep up the killing spree cause they know him and possibly a few others will be going to jail and not out and about to retaliate


  • #3460
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,464 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    This definitely won't be the end.
    We are talking about gangs here with plenty of pals and sympathisers.
    Someone else will step up when there's an opening.


  • #3461
    Peter Anthony
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 454 ✭✭Peter Anthony


    Yeah I cant see why the other side would stop not like guards are going to stop them, most of the big names arent even in the country.


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  • #3462
    tomofson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,651 ✭✭✭tomofson


    It says in the article he is being charged in connection with the murder of Byrne. Is he being charged with Murder or some other offence in CONNECTION with Byrnes murder. They dont specifically say


  • #3463
    JustTheOne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,681 ✭✭✭JustTheOne


    He's only 24???


  • #3464
    bajer101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,178 ✭✭✭bajer101


    Supernintento Chalmers wrote: »
    Prison will hardly be safe for him.

    Straight into the medical wing I'd say. Segregated and safe.


  • #3465
    tomofson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,651 ✭✭✭tomofson


    bajer101 wrote: »
    Straight into the medical wing I'd say. Segregated and safe.


    He'll have to go to cloverhill on remand do they have a medical wing or is that mountjoy?


  • #3466
    Peter Anthony
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 454 ✭✭Peter Anthony


    tomofson wrote: »
    It says in the article he is being charged in connection with the murder of Byrne. Is he being charged with Murder or some other offence in CONNECTION with Byrnes murder. They dont specifically say
    I thought that also but Id say its with the murder. You can be charged for witholding information though, not sure what the procedure is but it happened a few times in recent murder cases. Why remanded for just 1 week though, in Court again next week?


  • #3467
    humberklog
    Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 10,856 Mod ✭✭✭✭humberklog


    bajer101 wrote: »
    Straight into the medical wing I'd say. Segregated and safe.

    Well he certainly needs his head examined.


  • #3468
    arayess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,707 ✭✭✭arayess


    The flying mouse wrote: »
    Anyway, it looks like the regency attack failed in everyone of its objectives, and its looking like the hutch side with the aid of the dissos vastly underestimated the kinahens, Wonder if this is the end or will the kinahens keep on targeting people allegedly involved, i.e. them who picked the shooters up in taxis and what not ?

    it failed in it's main objective to kill DK
    but they killed david byrne instead and caused a disruption to DK's illegal and boxing businesses.

    David Byrne was a lot more significant to the kinahan cartel than anybody the kinahans have got on the other side.
    aside from the emotional pain of course of loved ones being killed.

    Bar Patrick Hutch and AOD they still have their full compliment of members free and out and about.
    They would have known there would be a back lash from the kinahans and they didn't have similar resources to mount a tit for tat war.
    They would have known that they could only rely on precise attacks rather than the scattergun approach of the kinahans.

    If you look at how this has played out in what has actually happened - one side looks amateur and the other looks professional.

    a junkie on a bike ffs versus an organised plan with automatic weapons...

    not saying the hutch factor will win it's just that I wouldn't call time on the battle yet.
    maybe an army of junkies on bikes will win against a smaller group who knows?


  • #3469
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,464 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    JustTheOne wrote: »
    He's only 24???

    Why surprised??
    The monk was 24 when he went to Marino, which was historic at the time.


  • #3470
    tomofson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,651 ✭✭✭tomofson


    arayess wrote: »
    it failed in it's main objective to kill DK
    but they killed david byrne instead and caused a disruption to DK's illegal and boxing businesses.

    David Byrne was a lot more significant to the kinahan cartel than anybody the kinahans have got on the other side.
    aside from the emotional pain of course of loved ones being killed.

    Bar Patrick Hutch and AOD they still have their full compliment of members free and out and about.
    They would have known there would be a back lash from the kinahans and they didn't have similar resources to mount a tit for tat war.
    They would have known that they could only rely on precise attacks rather than the scattergun approach of the kinahans.

    If you look at how this has played out in what has actually happened - one side looks amateur and the other looks professional.

    a junkie on a bike ffs versus an organised plan with automatic weapons...

    not saying the hutch factor will win it's just that I wouldn't call time on the battle yet.
    maybe an army of junkies on bikes will win against a smaller group who knows?


    The addict on the bike was only one hit, all the others where highly organised and executed with profession, and what was so great about the H camps killing sure two of the ejits got there faces caught on camera hardly the height of professionalism.


  • #3471
    Peter Anthony
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 454 ✭✭Peter Anthony


    Nemesis...... wrote: »
    A fingerprint needs 12 impressions afaik to identify someone,i doubt without additional evidence that there would be a conviction, facial recognition would be useless in this case,its fairly strict whats allowed to be heard by a jury so you can bet the legal argument in this one would probably kill the case stone dead. It's a holding charge

    I wonder will the fact the comparision pictures of him and the drag hitman, have been published by the Sunday World and on twitter, jeopardise his right to a fair process and trial. I would agree it looks like a holding charge. Would be hard to prosecute successfully.


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  • #3472
    [Deleted User]
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    tomofson wrote: »
    The addict on the bike was only one hit, all the others where highly organised and executed with profession, and what was so great about the H camps killing sure two of the ejits got there faces caught on camera hardly the height of professionalism.

    They also decided to use taxis that could be easily traced.
    Not to mention the fact that they settled for a lower level target, when the rumoured main target slipped away unseen!

    Wreaks of hard men amateurs who don't care how many people are around and if they get hurt or not, they are untouchable as history has shown........or are they?


  • #3473
    Peter Anthony
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 454 ✭✭Peter Anthony


    gangstergossip wrote: »
    that seems to be the only evidence linking him to the crime that i know of anyway. i have facial recognition installed in my phone its not meant to unlock the phone for any face but mine but some of my mates can unlock it that look similar to me although i suppose the software the gardai are using is on a higher level but still there is reasonable doubt there for me. Yea id say they do want to take him off the streets he will no doubt seek high court bail be another thing if he gets it there would be many objections from the gardai id imagine

    It doesnt sound too accurate! Just read this on it, I cannot see that being enough to successfully prosecute in a high profile murder case.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/garda%C3%AD-introduce-facial-recognition-to-identify-suspects-1.2094072


  • #3474
    gangstergossip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 656 ✭✭✭gangstergossip


    Peter Anthony wrote: »
    I wonder will the fact the comparision pictures of him and the drag hitman, have been published by the Sunday World and on twitter, jeopardise his right to a fair process and trial. I would agree it looks like a holding charge. Would be hard to prosecute successfully.

    i wonder if it will even be a normal trial i have a feeling he could be charged in the special criminal court for this one no jury just the 3 judges its usually reserved for terrorists but they can also deal with serious organized crime. john gilligan brian meehan and hippo ward along with a few others were tried there in connection with the veronica guerin murder


  • #3475
    arayess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,707 ✭✭✭arayess


    tomofson wrote: »
    The addict on the bike was only one hit, all the others where highly organised and executed with profession, and what was so great about the H camps killing sure two of the ejits got there faces caught on camera hardly the height of professionalism.

    you've made fair points but I don't overly agree.
    my main argument is that it's not over and don't rule out the hutch side just yet.

    as for the regency one fella isn't in the hutch factor was just hired and the drag queen wouldnt have a rep like the others for much.

    I'm not sure the other kinahan hits against soft target are jason bourne worthy myself.
    ironically the only kinahan attack that actually mattered to the hutch gang was committed by that junkie on the bike.
    I'll concede the Barr killing was professional however killing 2 grandads that weren't expecting it was lame stuff any fool who suspended their morals could do that.

    Anyway I've heard rumour that the main shooter is off his head the whole time , I've a business out finglas direction and the gossip confirms what was said earlier in this thread.
    auld ones...know it all


  • #3476
    tomofson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,651 ✭✭✭tomofson


    Peter Anthony wrote: »
    It doesnt sound too accurate! Just read this on it, I cannot see that being enough to successfully prosecute in a high profile murder case.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/garda%C3%AD-introduce-facial-recognition-to-identify-suspects-1.2094072

    Well one time not too long ago someone wrote a bit of dumb graffiti on a cell wall and that was enough to prosecute a high profiled murder case, so I would imagine a detailed picture with gun in hand running meters away from a murder scene would be more than enough.


  • #3477
    tomofson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,651 ✭✭✭tomofson


    arayess wrote: »
    you've made fair points but I don't overly agree.
    my main argument is that it's not over and don't rule out the hutch side just yet.

    as for the regency one fella isn't in the hutch factor was just hired and the drag queen wouldnt have a rep like the others for much.

    I'm not sure the other kinahan hits against soft target are jason bourne worthy myself.
    ironically the only kinahan attack that actually mattered to the hutch gang was committed by that junkie on the bike.
    I'll concede the Barr killing was professional however killing 2 grandads that weren't expecting it was lame stuff any fool who suspended their morals could do that.

    Anyway I've heard rumour that the main shooter is off his head the whole time , I've a business out finglas direction and the gossip confirms what was said earlier in this thread.
    auld ones...know it all

    I dont disagree with any of what you say and I have made the point before in this thread of the Kinahan side not actually killing anyone of any major significance to the H camp


  • #3478
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,464 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    arayess wrote: »
    you've made fair points but I don't overly agree.
    my main argument is that it's not over and don't rule out the hutch side just yet.

    as for the regency one fella isn't in the hutch factor was just hired and the drag queen wouldnt have a rep like the others for much.

    I'm not sure the other kinahan hits against soft target are jason bourne worthy myself.
    ironically the only kinahan attack that actually mattered to the hutch gang was committed by that junkie on the bike.
    I'll concede the Barr killing was professional however killing 2 grandads that weren't expecting it was lame stuff any fool who suspended their morals could do that.

    Anyway I've heard rumour that the main shooter is off his head the whole time , I've a business out finglas direction and the gossip confirms what was said earlier in this thread.
    auld ones...know it all

    2 grandads? :D
    oh you can bet they were expecting it if you have read all of the information that has floated around about their involvement in some way!
    The fact they were taken out shows whoever organised it, had plenty of inside knowledge about their involvement.


  • #3479
    gangstergossip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 656 ✭✭✭gangstergossip


    tomofson wrote: »
    The addict on the bike was only one hit, all the others where highly organised and executed with profession, and what was so great about the H camps killing sure two of the ejits got there faces caught on camera hardly the height of professionalism.

    i wouldnt say the eddie hutch murder was to professional they didnt even rob the car they bought it off someone before they used it, then they failed to burn it out just scarpered off leaving a bottle of petrol in the car they planned to use to burn it


  • #3480
    tomofson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,651 ✭✭✭tomofson


    gangstergossip wrote: »
    i wouldnt say the eddie hutch murder was to professional they didnt even rob the car they bought it off someone before they used it, then they failed to burn it out just scarpered off leaving a bottle of petrol in the car they planned to use to burn it

    Yeah your probably right on that one, thats why you dont act too quick out of anger and wait till you get your senses so you can plan carefully.


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  • #3481
    bajer101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,178 ✭✭✭bajer101


    There is definitely enough for a very good chance of a murder conviction. Picture of him holding a gun at the scene of the murder. Probable CCTV footage (the attempts to disable the hotel's CCTVs weren't successful). Witnesses. Motive. There is more than enough there to secure a murder conviction.


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