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Do you run in cycle lanes?

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  • #32
    honreal
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    This is exactly one of the reasons cyclists don't use cycle lanes! it's a bloody CYCLE LANE!


  • #33
    Macy0161
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,651 ✭✭✭Macy0161


    JohnDozer wrote: »
    In any case, everyone should have a bell on their bike!!
    I have one on my bike - not sure how big it would need to be to get the attention of someone wearing headphones/ earphones tbh! Even a loud shout doesn't work in many cases.

    Most of my issues with cycle lanes as a cyclist are design and maintenance. Runners/ pedestrians/ dogs etc are probably more an irritant on top to be honest. However, as we've seen recently, it isn't without risks.

    When running, I've never really felt any difference in the surfaces. In any case, if the path is concrete, and the cyclepath is tarmac, it's most likely such a thin layer of tarmac on top of concrete that I really can't see how it would make any significant difference.


  • #34
    RobbieTheRobber
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    average_runner wrote: »
    Its not actually illegal to walk on the side of a road unless its a motor way. Might be stupid some times, but there is alot of stupid people out there.

    So are you arguing that we should encourage stupid or reckless behaviour?

    Edit: While it might not be an offence specifically, Im sure it could be prosecuted under the Criminal Justice (Public Order) Act, 1994 should a garda witness you doing so and ask you to refrain from such act.

    Most self proclaimed free speech absolutists are giant big whiny snowflakes!



  • #35
    walshb
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    RobbieTheRobber wrote: »
    So are you arguing that we should encourage stupid or reckless behaviour?

    I don't think he is arguing to encourage it, but he doesn't appear to be arguing to discourage it.

    There will always be a section of society who just don't like to conform. They are natutrally confrontational and disagreeable. With social media these days these people are all over the place.


  • #36
    lgk
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    average_runner wrote: »
    Its not actually illegal to walk on the side of a road unless its a motor way. Might be stupid some times, but there is alot of stupid people out there.

    According to SI182
    (4) Subject to sub-article (5), save when crossing the roadway, a pedestrian shall use a footway if one is provided, and if one is not provided, shall keep as near as possible to the right edge of the roadway.

    So it is illegal to walk on a roadway (which includes on road cycle lanes) if there is a path.


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  • #37
    average_runner
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    walshb wrote: »
    I don't think he is arguing to encourage it, but he doesn't appear to be arguing to discourage it.

    There will always be a section of society who just don't like to conform. They are natutrally confrontational and disagreeable. With social media these days these people are all over the place.


    Actually from where I see things, it is like this:

    Cyclist give out to people when they are in cycling the lane, yet these same people go on footpaths, go thru red lights, go the wrong way on cycling lanes when its clearly marked, cycle on the road when there is perfect "good" cycle lane there and worst of all they never bloody signal when making a turn and give out to people in cycle lanes when they are clearly marked for walkers and cycling, ie the N4 one.

    Yes there is idiot walkers and runners and drivers out there.


    Rant over.


  • #38
    average_runner
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    RobbieTheRobber wrote: »
    So are you arguing that we should encourage stupid or reckless behaviour?

    Edit: While it might not be an offence specifically, Im sure it could be prosecuted under the Criminal Justice (Public Order) Act, 1994 should a garda witness you doing so and ask you to refrain from such act.


    Would the same apply to a cyclist if a cycle lane beside you in perfect condition?


  • #39
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,415 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    average_runner wrote: »
    Actually from where I see things, it is like this:

    Cyclist give out to people when they are in cycling the lane, yet these same people go on footpaths, go thru red lights, go the wrong way on cycling lanes when its clearly marked, cycle on the road when there is perfect "good" cycle lane there and worst of all they never bloody signal when making a turn and give out to people in cycle lanes when they are clearly marked for walkers and cycling, ie the N4 one.

    Yes there is idiot walkers and runners and drivers out there.


    Rant over.

    Ranting at cyclists is irrelevant. Simple: A cyle lane is provided by society for cyclists. People chooisng to hijack the lane to walk or run are a danger to themselves and others, as well as extremely ignorant.


  • #40
    average_runner
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    walshb wrote: »
    Ranting at cyclists is irrelevant. Simple: A cyle lane is provided by society for cyclists. People chooisng to hijack the lane to walk or run are a danger to themselves and others, as well as extremely ignorant.

    Well then use them


  • #41
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,415 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    average_runner wrote: »
    Well then use them

    Again you are deflecting. The issue is that cycle lanes are being hijacked by walkers/runners. This is what is ignorant and reckless. You could open up a thread about cyclists not using cycle lanes that are provided? It would fit in well here with a lot of the other odd and banal threads.


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  • #42
    ThisRegard
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    average_runner wrote: »
    Actually from where I see things, it is like this:

    Cyclist give out to people when they are in cycling the lane, yet these same people go on footpaths, go thru red lights, go the wrong way on cycling lanes when its clearly marked, cycle on the road when there is perfect "good" cycle lane there and worst of all they never bloody signal when making a turn and give out to people in cycle lanes when they are clearly marked for walkers and cycling, ie the N4 one.

    Yes there is idiot walkers and runners and drivers out there.


    Rant over.

    Some cyclists. Cyclists are not the borg, and many are runners, cyclists, walkers and motorist, sometimes even all on the same day.

    There's so much generalising in this thread.

    As I previously said, there's some cycles lanes I run on, and I do so neither ignorantly nor dangerously. And I certainly don't do so dressed like a highway man so there's very little hijacking going on.


  • #43
    Macy0161
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,651 ✭✭✭Macy0161


    average_runner wrote: »
    Actually from where I see things, it is like this:

    Cyclist give out to people when they are in cycling the lane, yet these same people go on footpaths, go thru red lights, go the wrong way on cycling lanes when its clearly marked, cycle on the road when there is perfect "good" cycle lane there and worst of all they never bloody signal when making a turn and give out to people in cycle lanes when they are clearly marked for walkers and cycling, ie the N4 one.

    Yes there is idiot walkers and runners and drivers out there.


    Rant over.
    Great generalisation of the behaviour of all cyclists. :rolleyes:

    To generalise myself, most of the cycle lanes are far from good, and are not fit for purpose. They are in poor condition, cede cyclist priority (compared to if they were on the road) at every given opportunity, and normally end by dumping a cyclist into a poor road position. That's before you even get onto the point of this thread, and how other road users actually respect them.

    They're actually just another stick to beat cyclists with by motorists/ non-cyclists - they seem to look great (or "perfectly good") out a car window, but obviously not good enough for the motorist to bother his backside to get out of the car and onto a bloody bike!


  • #44
    average_runner
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    Macy0161 wrote: »
    Great generalisation of the behaviour of all cyclists. :rolleyes:

    To generalise myself, most of the cycle lanes are far from good, and are not fit for purpose. They are in poor condition, cede cyclist priority (compared to if they were on the road) at every given opportunity, and normally end by dumping a cyclist into a poor road position. That's before you even get onto the point of this thread, and how other road users actually respect them.

    They're actually just another stick to beat cyclists with by motorists/ non-cyclists - they seem to look great (or "perfectly good") out a car window, but obviously not good enough for the motorist to bother his backside to get out of the car and onto a bloody bike!


    I said good cycling lanes, maybe read it again and I am a cyclists also.


  • #45
    Utdfan20titles
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    walshb wrote: »
    There will always be a section of society who just don't like to conform. They are natutrally confrontational and disagreeable. With social media these days these people are all over the place.

    Where? Are there any posting on this thread?


  • #46
    m5ex9oqjawdg2i
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    ThrillCosby wrote:
    There's no choice on some routes unfortunately

    What about an alternative route? I'm finding it difficult to recall an area in Dublin without a footpath but has a cycle lane. There's some closer to the mountains that I know of.
    average_runner wrote:
    We can't have it both ways really, so if cyclists want walkers to keep out of cycling lanes, well maybe cyclists should keep off the roads when cycling lanes are present.

    That's a terrible argument. Some cyclists do it so punish all cyclists? Makes no sense.


  • #47
    walshb
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    Utdfan20titles wrote: »
    Where? Are there any posting on this thread?

    No. AR seems to be immune from this sort!


  • #48
    Utdfan20titles
    Closed Accounts Posts: 246 ✭✭Utdfan20titles


    walshb wrote: »
    No. AR seems to be immune from this sort!

    It was for about three months until the ban was up


  • #49
    RobbieTheRobber
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    average_runner wrote: »
    I said good cycling lanes, maybe read it again and I am a cyclists also.

    Good cycling lanes do not exist for usable distances (IMO) in Ireland.

    Most self proclaimed free speech absolutists are giant big whiny snowflakes!



  • #50
    cnocbui
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    El Caballo wrote: »
    I wouldn't recommend it, cycling lanes are supposed to be there for cyclist safety and to separate them from the road. If everyone starts running and walking on them, the cyclists end up back on the road and as a cyclist, that's the last place I want to be in a city alongside 10 tonne buses and cars if I have the option.

    It's just a little consideration and good manners for people on foot to stay out of them. It's not that much to ask so I avoid it as a runner and stay on the footpath.

    Too simplistic. The N7 near me has cycle lanes where the hard shoulder used to be. There is no footpath. Mothers pushing prams, people walking, jogging, use the 'cycle lane' and rightly so, as the alternative is to use the road, which would be really stupid.


  • #51
    thomas anderson.
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    I always run in the cycle lane on my route. Saves from going up and down the slopes of peoples drives and is also kinder to the knees. I run counter to the flow so I can see any bikes coming.

    One evening though I was in the bike lane and a car came round the bend completely in the lane. Had to jump out of the way on to the footpath. If I was a cyclist I would have been killed. Luckily though there was an undercover patrol car behind the driver and they got pulled.

    Should feel guilty about that I suppose :rolleyes:


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  • #52
    walshb
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    thomas anderson. wrote: »
    I always run in the cycle lane on my route. Saves from going up and down the slopes of peoples drives and is also kinder to the knees. I run counter to the flow so I can see any bikes coming.

    One evening though I was in the bike lane and a car came round the bend completely in the lane. Had to jump out of the way on to the footpath. If I was a cyclist I would have been killed. Luckily though there was an undercover patrol car behind the driver and they got pulled.

    Should feel guilty about that I suppose :rolleyes:

    If I was the copper I would have arrested you, not the driver.


  • #53
    RobbieTheRobber
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    cnocbui wrote: »
    Too simplistic. The N7 near me has cycle lanes where the hard shoulder used to be. There is no footpath. Mothers pushing prams, people walking, jogging, use the 'cycle lane' and rightly so, as the alternative is to use the road, which would be really stupid.

    Isn't most of the n7 considered motorway now?

    Most self proclaimed free speech absolutists are giant big whiny snowflakes!



  • #54
    average_runner
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    walshb wrote: »
    If I was the copper I would have arrested you, not the driver.


    If you were a copper, it would be dangerous:D


  • #55
    thomas anderson.
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    walshb wrote: »
    If I was the copper I would have arrested you, not the driver.

    I know right, I was moving too quickly though ;)


  • #56
    cnocbui
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    RobbieTheRobber wrote: »
    Isn't most of the n7 considered motorway now?

    I don't think so, not with a stupid 80 kph speed limit.


  • #57
    RobbieTheRobber
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    cnocbui wrote: »
    I don't think so, not with a stupid 80 kph speed limit.

    From Naas to Limerick is Motorway.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N7_road_(Ireland)
    The majority of the route (between Naas and Limerick) is motorway standard and is designated as the M7 motorway.

    Most self proclaimed free speech absolutists are giant big whiny snowflakes!



  • #58
    m5ex9oqjawdg2i
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    Are they? Are they really the same people? It's like one cyclist, pedestrian, driver does something wrong and we lump them all onto the same pile.


  • #59
    cnocbui
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    RobbieTheRobber wrote: »
    From Naas to Limerick is Motorway.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N7_road_(Ireland)

    I said N, not M. The M7 is the motorway - there are no cycle lanes. The old N7, I think the call it the R445 now, road is still there, and near me anyway, they have just spent a fortune upgrading the cycle lane on either side.


  • #60
    snailsong
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    I saw someone park a car in a normal parking space today. When they got out it was obvious that they were disabled.

    That's it, I'm parking in disabled spots from now on. They can't have it both ways.


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  • #61
    Sunny Dayz
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    I run along cycleways - you know those tarmac/gravel paths where rail lines used to be. But I run/jog against the flow so I can see cyclists coming towards me and I usually have a bright coloured top or hi vis so they can see me. The cycleways are wide enough to accommodate us.


    However that's in quieter rural areas. I'm guessing the OP was talking more about the cycle lanes in the towns and cities. Those on the other hand are usually quite narrow, and most of the time right beside motor traffic and therefore they would not be safe to run on. Where to you go when you meet a cyclist - out onto the road?


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