Paedophile beaten by locals after moving next to school

smash · 14-05-2016 07:55AM

Ben Gadot wrote: »

Maybe this group of angry suburban parents would have been happier if he was cordoned off in some sh1tty flat where kids are constantly playing in the halls and outside unsupervised. That would be way better than putting him near a school where teachers and parents can be constantly vigilant.

The opportunity to reoffend if he sought to do so is greatly increased with a school in the vicinity despite what you believe about teachers or parents being vigilant.

14-05-2016 07:56AM

dodzy wrote: »

there's always one. Boards never disappoints.

Let's force him to join the mob.

Attack the paedophiles! And people who make calm reasoned points too!

Shint0 · 14-05-2016 07:58AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Apologies, got her name wrong...here it is anyway...

http://www.irishexaminer.com/lifestyle/features/profiles/40-years-waiting-to-clear-his-name-199954.html

I had never actually heard of that case unlike other historical cases that get replayed in the media. Smacks of the Dean Lyons case. Another high profile female still serving a life sentence always claimed police brutality while in custody. In her case I believe it to be most likely true. Thanks for posting the link.

14-05-2016 07:58AM

Ben Gadot wrote: »

Must take some hard man to join a mob and beat the sh1t out of one guy.

Surprised no-one has grasped here what's wrong with a group taking the law into their own hands. What if they attacked the wrong bloke? What if that bloke was your brother, son, husband or friend?

Should he be housed so near a school? Not ideal, but the truth is that wherever he's housed there's always going to be children in the proximity. Maybe this group of angry suburban parents would have been happier if he was cordoned off in some sh1tty flat where kids are constantly playing in the halls and outside unsupervised. That would be way better than putting him near a school where teachers and parents can be constantly vigilant.

You'd be ok if he was living next to you and your kids then?...

14-05-2016 08:03AM

RoboKlopp wrote: »

You'd be ok if he was living next to you and your kids then?...

There is a gulf between being okay with someone and sending the mob around.

Friend of mine was sent round to the house of a fellow who moved into an estate after serving 6 years for some very depraved attacks. People were concerned, politely asked him to leave, said they'd be keeping an eye on his every move, they would react if necessary etc. etc. He kept under the radar with the blinds drawn for a while, not so much as looking sideways at a child, then moved on. No lynch mob.

Tilikum · 14-05-2016 08:03AM

Only one way to deal with paedos & rapists, throw them in to general population in prisons. Maybe then they wouldn't comment these crimes when they knew they what they were in for.

JustTheOne · 14-05-2016 08:08AM

smash wrote: »

Louis Theroux's documentary on the subject was eye opening. Guys who've had chemical castration and still get the urge etc. On the flip side there was a c4 or bbc documentary about a paedophile who was 'coming out' to his fiancé about it. His take on it was that he doesn't act on his urges so he's not dangerous and that there's a difference between a paedophile and a sex offender. He saw it as just another form of sexuality and appeared to legitimately see how it was wrong. But I'd still be worried about him.

It's true. It's sexual urges that can't be turned off, these people are just born with it same way has heterosexual and homosexual. You can't stop your urges.

But if your urges are a danger to children they should never be let out in public again IMO.

JustTheOne · 14-05-2016 08:09AM

Tilikum wrote: »

Only one way to deal with paedos & rapists, throw them in to general population in prisons. Maybe then they wouldn't comment these crimes when they knew they what they were in for.

Do homophobic attacks stops gay people being gay?

Avatar MIA · 14-05-2016 08:11AM

I get why people are anti vigilantes. It doesn't 100% sit well with me either.

However, a few people have said what's the problem with a child rapist living next door to a school.

Seriously, cop TFO!

Hannibelle Smeeeth · 14-05-2016 08:26AM

Deleted User wrote: »

There is a gulf between being okay with someone and sending the mob around.

Friend of mine was sent round to the house of a fellow who moved into an estate after serving 6 years for some very depraved attacks. People were concerned, politely asked him to leave, said they'd be keeping an eye on his every move, they would react if necessary etc. etc. He kept under the radar with the blinds drawn for a while, not so much as looking sideways at a child, then moved on. No lynch mob.

I guess its the nature of the crime. 'You've done your time and served your sentence' doesnt actually ring true. Because no time and no sentence is long enough. A person who sexually assaults a child has effected that child before they even get a start in life. They live with those effects their whole life. So how does the person who assaulted them deserve a new lease of life when its something the person they assaulted will never have. Asking them to leave politely and leaving their wishes at his door is very difficult.

The vigilante mindset is understandable here. What happens when they get released is something thats going to have to be looked at. You cant expect society to welcome him back when he did something so awful to the most vulnerable.

One eyed Jack · 14-05-2016 08:42AM

JustTheOne wrote: »

It's true. It's sexual urges that can't be turned off, these people are just born with it same way has heterosexual and homosexual. You can't stop your urges.

But if your urges are a danger to children they should never be let out in public again IMO.

Paedophilia isn't at all the same thing as sexual orientation, and people absolutely can stop their urges, it's called having self-control.

I don't think the idea of confining people who are paedophiles will ever happen though tbh, it just wouldn't be feasible.

JustTheOne wrote: »

Do homophobic attacks stops gay people being gay?

No, and attacking a known child molester (difficult to know if he actually is a paedophile) who thought he could carry on as before, won't have him change his behaviour either, but it does appear to have been successful in having him removed from the community, and brought him to national attention.

Drumpot · 14-05-2016 08:46AM

JustTheOne wrote: »

It's true. It's sexual urges that can't be turned off, these people are just born with it same way has heterosexual and homosexual. You can't stop your urges.

But if your urges are a danger to children they should never be let out in public again IMO.

Agreed. If somebody is inherently born with an urge to abuse children, how does society deal with a problem that most likely won't go away?

Why release certain criminals like murders and rapists if there is very strong evidence to suggest they will reoffend? Of course you would have to ask "what about robbers, where exactly does the law stop choosing what crimes are subject to this guideline?" , but the law already does this by differentiating how long people should remain in jail.

I know some people are against the death sentane in all cases. I feel this this is misguided. If it was reserved for repeat offenders it reduces the chances of innocent people getting done to pretty much zero. I think it's more humane to kill a person rather then lock them in a cage for the rest of their lives. There's something very hypocritical and masichistic in thinking locking a person up for life is both humane and more civilised then killing them.

Richard Hillman · 14-05-2016 08:55AM

It's stupidly counterproductive and is only dome to boost the egos and "reputation's" of the perpetrators (I bet there was a camera phone about). With our free movement agreements with the EU, we are shipping the likes of Danny Ward and Larry Murphy to another community abroad where they are not as heavily monitored or known by the public .

It's easy to say that they are not our problem anymore but this type of thing is also happening in the UK and other countries. If we are chasing our sex offenders out of the country, you can bet your bottom dollar they are doing the same. And by the law of averages some are ending up in Ireland.

I would rather neither but I know I would rather Danny Ward or Larry Murphy in my area than some English or foreign guy who can easily slip under the radar. You can't warn your kids against the unknown.

Drumpot · 14-05-2016 08:56AM

Avatar MIA wrote: »

I get why people are anti vigilantes. It doesn't 100% sit well with me either.

However, a few people have said what's the problem with a child rapist living next door to a school.

Seriously, cop TFO!

I have three children and don't blame the actions of those residents.

On different levels my family and I have been effected by the innefective laws of this land that protect criminals and give organisations loopholes to get off on technicalities. People who have been fortunate enough to not be on the wrong end of abuse and worst still, not get justice, can talk tough, from an ivory tower, about laws and right /wrong but without experiencing an injustice you don't know how it can effect victims.

In all scenarios victims and future potential victims should be a consideration. This is not and never has been the case.

The term vigilante is a derogatory term trying to shame people for choosing to take the law into their own hand. In many instances it's fair, in this context I think it's more residents choosing not to let the pathetic protection measures of the law, get in the way of them protecting their children from an innevitable attack. Incidentally , I think tagging and having to announce to residents is the least that should be done when a paedophile is being housed in an area, otherwise straight to jail. Same rule even if you are foreign or did the crime in another country. A paedophile is still a paedophile no matter what country they come from or did their crimes in, why should they get a clean slate to abuse children here?

ERG89 · 14-05-2016 08:58AM

smash wrote: »

Louis Theroux's documentary on the subject was eye opening. Guys who've had chemical castration and still get the urge etc.

I'm 99% sure the guy in that said that chemical castration was perhaps an answer he hadn't had it done. He wasn't a pedophile either iirc.
Seriously whoever housed him there must take some blame. Obviously the school knew his past so should the person who housed him there. If I was a parent there I wouldn't give him the benefit of doubt. Depending on authorities reaction (did they know or tell him to move) but if he didn't leave then he should have been forced to imo

I wear socks · 14-05-2016 09:06AM

He is very interested in boys underpants, he used to post on the parenting forum here looking for advice about his son getting teased in the changing room for wearing y fronts

claregal1 · 14-05-2016 09:06AM

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

The sickening thing is that this sick paedo will probably now sue the school under data protection laws and win his case because justice in this country comes before common sense, moral and social right and decency.

Unfortunately you are probably right .... justice system in this country sucks.

galljga1 · 14-05-2016 09:13AM

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

The sickening thing is that this sick paedo will probably now sue the school under data protection laws and win his case because justice in this country comes before common sense, moral and social right and decency.

On what grounds would he have a case?
Some one acting on behalf of the school knew he was convicted of various sex crimes against minors and informed the parents. Is that against data protection laws?

anewme · 14-05-2016 09:16AM

Knew him growing up....got quite a shock initially to read about him yesterday.

He was odd then even as a child, the whole family were strange

spurious · 14-05-2016 10:02AM

He has Aspergers, which he shamefully tried to use as an excuse for his online libel of another person. A real insult to other people on the autistic spectrum.

stoplooklisten · 14-05-2016 10:19AM

I am so creeped out right not, that youtube video and some of it's commenters profiles are as creepy as hell.

Ugh, How the hell was this guy let live near a school or a scout den, and a ladder, whay the hell is going on, such a short sentence.

vicwatson · 14-05-2016 10:19AM

Turtle_ wrote: »

The biggest problem here is with sentencing... 4 years, released after a little over a half the sentence, released early despite being almost certain he'd offend again?

What bloody planet do judges in this country live on? That guy should be locked up for life. Feel sorry for the gardai who had to rescue him, can imagine they'd rather have been kicking the **** out of him..

Also.. He actually looks how you'd expect a paedophile to look...

Yeh the judges/courts are ****ed up... Did I read during the week that some foreign scrote got 14 years imprisonment for robbing a jewellery shop in Galway and this scumfilth gets 4 years. I dunno but I think I know where a huge part of the problem is......government appointed judges for starters

vicwatson · 14-05-2016 10:31AM

Shint0 wrote: »

How does area of residence or proximity to a school stop a paedophile being a paedophile. People with deviant pathologies can be very creative in getting what they want. Strict monitoring of their whereabouts is what's required.

Tag tag tag = one solution

People living in space for months on end and we can't tag these ****ers to know where they are 24/7. Joke

eviltwin · 14-05-2016 10:32AM

The logical part of my brain says those residents did the wrong thing and its terrible etc etc but the parent in me wants to shake them all by the hand and say well done. The rights of children to be safe and not have their integrity destroyed matters more than the rights of this piece of filth.

frillyleaf · 14-05-2016 10:33AM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

It's stupidly counterproductive and is only dome to boost the egos and "reputation's" of the perpetrators (I bet there was a camera phone about). With our free movement agreements with the EU, we are shipping the likes of Danny Ward and Larry Murphy to another community abroad where they are not as heavily monitored or known by the public .

It's easy to say that they are not our problem anymore but this type of thing is also happening in the UK and other countries. If we are chasing our sex offenders out of the country, you can bet your bottom dollar they are doing the same. And by the law of averages some are ending up in Ireland.

I would rather neither but I know I would rather Danny Ward or Larry Murphy in my area than some English or foreign guy who can easily slip under the radar. You can't warn your kids against the unknown.

Hi genuine question. Are these people allowed into our country ? Say for examine if some one in the EU committed serious crimes are they still allowed come to Ireland? Do we not have a system similar to other countries when it comes to this sort of thing ? Thanks

MilesMorales1 · 14-05-2016 10:37AM

Is there not a law which says he can't live within x distance of a school or whatever?

suicide_circus · 14-05-2016 10:39AM

stoplooklisten wrote: »

I am so creeped out right not, that youtube video and some of it's commenters profiles are as creepy as hell.

Ugh, How the hell was this guy let live near a school or a scout den, and a ladder, whay the hell is going on, such a short sentence.

NO LADDERS 4 PAEDOS

MarcoAntonio23 · 14-05-2016 10:40AM

foggy_lad wrote: »

if he goes "underground" then nobody knows what he is doing or where he is.

Is 6' underground enough?

Sweetemotion · 14-05-2016 10:47AM

eviltwin wrote: »

The logical part of my brain says those residents did the wrong thing and its terrible etc etc but the parent in me wants to shake them all by the hand and say well done. The rights of children to be safe and not have their integrity destroyed matters more than the rights of this piece of filth.

What logical part of the brain would say the residents are wrong?

Thelomen Toblackai · 14-05-2016 10:50AM

The amount of knuckle draggers in this thread advocating assault is depressing. People wonder then why the law is so lax on violent criminals.

Paedophile beaten by locals after moving next to school

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