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The truth about Chinese Restaurants

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,419 ✭✭✭cowboyBuilder




    I do love Karl Pilkington ..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,443 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    Spice bag ftw.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,569 ✭✭✭HensVassal


    Having lived in New York I was spoiled by the best Chinese food on almost every street. Even the kippy little low-budget dives with formica tables, laminated menues and flourescent lighting served up great food for pennies. Often you could just have 2 large egg rolls and a wonton soup for a $4 and it was delicious.
    I walked into a similar place in Dublin and got Singapore noodles to take away. I asked for chop sticks and they looked at me like I had 2 heads and threw a plastic fork into the bag. Got the noodles home and they were fucking dire. A hodge-podge of dry tasteless vermicelli, bean shoots and grizzle the colour of some kind of radioactive waste. I slung it straight into the bin after a couple of mouthfuls. I've tried other stuff on the menu and it's all shit. Kung Pao chicken, Sweet and Sour, Szechuan beef.....absolutely crap. Where are all the vegetables? All you get is a load of meat blocks deep fried in a stodgy batter and doused with a sauce that is supposed to set it apart as a dish from the other sauce soaked offal. And a side order of bland rice.
    That Charlie O chain is pretty lousy but they actually do a fairly decent hot and sour soup. Get a large one of them, like a litre, and it's a meal in itself. But their noodles, etc are fairly bad too.

    I understand that these people adjust their menu to cater to locals but they don't have to serve shit like chicken balls and chips (for Christ's sake).

    Chinese food is not rocket science. It's really quite simple. The skill is in the combination of herbs and spices and sauces like soy sauce, rice wine, chillis, ginger, garlic, corn flour, etc. It takes no more cost or effort to whip up a lovely load of wok fried brocolli, onions, snow peas, water chestnuts, cashews, shredded beef and a hot sauce than the deep fried gunk swimming in some kind of crimson slurry that Irish people seem to tolerate.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,678 ✭✭✭lawlolawl


    Why are people on here always so surprised that ****ty fast food places are ****ty?

    There was a thread about Supermacs being bad earlier on this week as well. It's all just cheapo handy garbage for when you don't want to eat something decent and just want to feel like a slob for a bit.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,569 ✭✭✭HensVassal


    Traditional Chinese food in Ireland.

    It's more fish head soup and intestine stew with a side of boiled chicken's feet, over in China.

    This is true. I worked in a large Chinese electronics company fully of Chinese people (not in China, in Europe). Everyday there was traditional chinese food in the canteen. I tried it once and it was stomach-churning. Grey soup that tasted like sea-water, some combination of meat that was like chewing elastic bands, another tray of what looked like tofu but it wasn't. I tasted it and spat it out after gagging. There was also tripe there.....yes, tripe, boiled brocolli that smelt like 3 day old cabbage, etc. And the Chinese lads were diving into this swill with gusto. It was bad.


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  • Posts: 24,773 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    HensVassal wrote: »

    I understand that these people adjust their menu to cater to locals but they don't have to serve shit like chicken balls and chips (for Christ's sake).
    .

    Because people want chicken balls and chips. Don't serve them and you make less money.

    I would eat chips with anything too (as an addational side, I'd always get rice too), hate this snobbery you see people having about serving chips with various different things as "that's not how they do it in x country". Most chineses are crap that should be no surprise I haven't had one in a long time (aside from 4 in 1's). Plenty of Asian street food and Japanese places now around which are much nicer also thai take aways/resturants are also usually much nicer and higher quality (beef red curry ftw).

    But after a feed of pints its hard to beat a 4 in 1 at times :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,026 ✭✭✭12Phase


    Are there actually any good Chinese restaurants in Ireland? I mean ones that serve actual Chinese good that's made to high standards?

    I can't find anywhere serving good dim sum for example and if you ask in some places they've never heard of it and ask if you want rice or chips !!

    There are good and authentic Japanese, Thai, Malaysian, Korean and various other Asian restaurants around, especially in the major cities that have a foody vibe, but no decent Chinese places.

    Also Chinese food is more than one genre there are regional cuisines that would be as different as Italian and Swedish food.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,809 ✭✭✭Speedwell


    12Phase wrote: »
    Also Chinese food is more than one genre there are regional cuisines that would be as different as Italian and Swedish food.

    Stop, stop, you're going too fast for the locals. ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,488 ✭✭✭mahoganygas


    Lace the food with monosodium glutamate and the punters will keep coming back for more.

    I picked up a bag of it in an asian market recently. It's more addictive than cocaine!


  • Posts: 25,909 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    md23040 wrote: »
    It's a national scandal. Theres a Chinese restaurant near me being run by a Taiwanese couple, they may look the part but their not fooling me....
    Tell them you don't think they're Chinese.


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  • Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 976 ✭✭✭beach_walker


    How about the European menu in the Chinese?

    I'll have an omelette and a chicken maryland please...

    I want to meet a person who's ordered a steak from a Chinese. What would possess a man to do so??


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 976 ✭✭✭Kev_2012


    Have ye actually had traditional Chinese food? You'll be begging for chicken balls and a 3 in 1 after it. It's manky.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,569 ✭✭✭HensVassal


    lawlolawl wrote: »
    Why are people on here always so surprised that ****ty fast food places are ****ty?

    There was a thread about Supermacs being bad earlier on this week as well. It's all just cheapo handy garbage for when you don't want to eat something decent and just want to feel like a slob for a bit.

    People are complaining about Irish Chinese takeaways because Chinese takeaway food you get in London or New York is very good. What's your point?

    It's possible to have excellent "fast" food and crappy "fast" food.

    Do you know of a really good chipper that serves awesome fresh cod in a great batter with super chips and do you know of one that serves crap refried frozen cod and soggy chips? Because I do and I will bitch about the latter and praise the former.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,809 ✭✭✭Speedwell


    lawlolawl wrote: »
    Why are people on here always so surprised that ****ty fast food places are ****ty?

    Simply because it's not necessary for fast food to be crappy. Really, it isn't. I made better pizza and fried chicken when a managed a petrol station with a minimal food counter many years ago in America. All I had to do was use the equipment and ingredients they gave me, and my know-how of how to make decent pizza.

    I have to admit that the imposing grandmotherly black lady who came in every morning to make the American biscuits, elbow deep in self-rising flour, lard, and buttermilk, was a genius, though, and I have never had biscuits as good as hers since.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,779 ✭✭✭Pinch Flat


    Yep I live in china and Chinese takeaways are nothing like the food you would get here.

    There are a few decent chinese restaurants around dublin where you can get proper Chinese food.

    That said I cant wait to get me some chicken balls and curry sauce when I get home

    So no three-in-ones in China then :pac:


  • Posts: 1,766 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    12Phase wrote: »
    Are there actually any good Chinese restaurants in Ireland? I mean ones that serve actual Chinese good that's made to high standards?

    M&L on Cathedral Street in Dublin is OK although a little over-rated - probably because people are so shocked about getting half-decent chinese food.

    OP is correct it is odd that it is almost impossible to get good chinese food when other takeaways / restaurants like indian, vietnamese etc are all pretty decent or at least some of them are.

    btw good chinese food doesn't necessarily mean completely authentic, go to chinatown in manchester and you'll get fantastic chinese food that is still fine for western tastes, although you can get the weird stuff too if you want it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 220 ✭✭Qiaonasen


    Worked in Beijing for a few years as a consultant. The food there is very hit and miss. For every good dish they have something absolutely manky. The food is completely different to what you get in Ireland.

    My wife is Taiwanese. She makes delicious food. Part of the reason I married her.

    In Taiwan they have a lot of "Western" food. Steak, egg and noodles. Never seen it anywhere in the west but it is delicious.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,088 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    So what?. I don't get this snobbery that unless you're eating what someone in someone in some remote Chinese province is eating you're not really having chinese food.

    It's not snobbery, it answers the question about why there aren't standards and why it's so inconsistent.

    The answer is that there aren't culinary schools teaching Chinese chefs how to make chicken balls and beef curry. They set up a take away in ireland make it up as they go along, based on what the locals want. If the locals want slop, then they make slop or they go out of business.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,026 ✭✭✭12Phase


    It's a bit like opening a "European Reataurant" though. China is HUGE and food varies from stewey, soupy stuff that's nearly Russian up in the north to very spicy stuff as you head south. You've a vast array of cuisines in reality and they're not really rigid about food and recipes like some cultures (Japan, France, Italy etc )


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 20,070 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    Kev_2012 wrote: »
    Have ye actually had traditional Chinese food? You'll be begging for chicken balls and a 3 in 1 after it. It's manky.

    Wouldn't agree at all. It's very different ok and they use meats and cuts from animals that we don't but we found eating in China great. Our kids loved it too. Found the odd restraunt that we wouldn't go back to but in general the food was awesome.
    Language can make ordering hard but a few apps on the phone helped get us fed.

    Except the dog, it was very disappointing, chewey and gristly, I won't try that again.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,196 ✭✭✭Shint0


    It's not snobbery, it answers the question about why there aren't standards and why it's so inconsistent.

    The answer is that there aren't culinary schools teaching Chinese chefs how to make chicken balls and beef curry. They set up a take away in ireland make it up as they go along, based on what the locals want. If the locals want slop, then they make slop or they go out of business.

    True. Any properly trained chef in Chinese or other ethnic AsIan or Indian cuisines would be working in 5* star hotels or restaurants of which there are very few of that standard here. Lots in the UK because they have a huge ethnicnically diverse population but the demand isn't here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 851 ✭✭✭blackdog2


    M&L and the other places around Parnell/Capel Street are mostly extremely average and overpriced for what they serve.

    For those saying curry isn't Chinese, there are plenty of places to get curry in the south/Hong Kong, and it exists all over China (be warned, the meat will contain bones) where the first wave of Chinese came from, although it seems to be served in a more soupy way. Also, the curry served with Tonkatsu from Japan is even more similar, although it seems a little sweeter over there.

    There are restaurants in China where fried rice is served in tens of varieties, and it tastes pretty much the same as a half-decent one here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,365 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    _Brian wrote: »
    Wouldn't agree at all. It's very different ok and they use meats and cuts from animals that we don't but we found eating in China great. Our kids loved it too. Found the odd restraunt that we wouldn't go back to but in general the food was awesome.
    Language can make ordering hard but a few apps on the phone helped get us fed.

    Except the dog, it was very disappointing, chewey and gristly, I won't try that again.


    chicken feet are quite nice. more from a texture than a flavour point of view mind.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,960 ✭✭✭Dr Crayfish


    I'm a big fan of Chinese Dumplings, but Chinese take aways don't seem to do them here. You can buy bags of them frozen in Asian stores. If you boil them for a bit then fry to get them crispy, they turn out just like the ones you'll get at a decent restaurant. Yum.
    I don't know of any good Chinese places in Dublin but M&L is supposed to be the real deal. I do know of some decent Vietnamese and Korean places however.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,378 ✭✭✭daRobot


    12Phase wrote: »
    Are there actually any good Chinese restaurants in Ireland? I mean ones that serve actual Chinese good that's made to high standards?

    Some of the places around the north inner city, mostly where many Chinese themselves eat, are very good.

    A much more upmarket experience would be China Sichuan in Sandyford, which is excellent.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,365 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    daRobot wrote: »
    Some of the places around the north inner city, mostly where many Chinese themselves eat, are very good.

    A much more upmarket experience would be China Sichuan in Sandyford, which is excellent.

    Good World at the bottom of Georges St does really good authentic chinese food if you order off the chinese menu and ignore the english one.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 562 ✭✭✭Flatzie_poo


    Good World at the bottom of Georges St does really good authentic chinese food if you order off the chinese menu and ignore the english one.

    I can't read Chinese though!! :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,809 ✭✭✭Speedwell




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,365 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    I can't read Chinese though!! :pac:


    no need. there is a basic english description. Best thing to do is just talk to the waiter.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,599 ✭✭✭DublinWriter


    daRobot wrote: »
    A much more upmarket experience would be China Sichuan in Sandyford, which is excellent.
    Doesn't it have some connection with the Chinese Embassy?


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