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Screwed over by JobBridge (big surprise)

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  • #32
    stoplooklisten
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,492 ✭✭✭stoplooklisten


    I think you have to fill in a review. Be honest in this. This hired you under the title receptionist, even though you were doing the duties of a junior. Now they have someone else under a different title carrying out the same duties.


  • #33
    TheJinMu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 154 ✭✭TheJinMu


    stoplooklisten wrote: »
    I think you have to fill in a review. Be honest in this. This hired you under the title receptionist, even though you were doing the duties of a junior. Now they have someone else under a different title carrying out the same duties.

    Yeah there a form I'm supposed to fill in but they're meant to give it to me and I've asked for it numerous times.


  • #34
    B.A._Baracus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,292 ✭✭✭✭B.A._Baracus


    For what it's worth op. I started a 9 month internship last year and was promised a full time job by the end. Near the end that promise became a part-time job. Here we are 3 months after finishing and I am still waiting for that part-time role :pac:

    It sucks but thats just the way it goes. The scheme is bollocks and abused. It's all about getting free labor as you know yourself. But me, you and everyone else who does one, does it to get a job down the line. But what really annoys me tho are the people who talk through their asses.

    Those people who never did an internship in their life and currently in a good poisition with a job (fair play) But yet hey, can't understand why people bad mouth the scheme. Going as far as to say "you got 9 months experience didnt ya? you can't expect everything on a plate" ... but let's call a spade a spade, the scheme is abused and it's bollocks. It's all just about free labor.


  • #35
    groovyg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,049 ✭✭✭groovyg


    Op it's not called scambridge for nothing, there was an article in the Business Post two weeks ago which showed how awful it is. Check out Jack Horgan-Jones Twitter and look at all the companies that use it , maybe your salon is on the list https://mobile.twitter.com/JackHoJo/status/724184954503061504
    I have seen friends go from internship to internship on it and no jobs at the end..it's very demoralising. Hopefully you can use the experience to get a paid job..best of luck


  • #36
    TheJinMu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 154 ✭✭TheJinMu


    groovyg wrote: »
    Op it's not called scambridge for nothing, there was an article in the Business Post two weeks ago which showed how awful it is. Check out Jack Horgan-Jones Twitter and look at all the companies that use it , maybe your salon is on the list https://mobile.twitter.com/JackHoJo/status/724184954503061504

    Place isn't on it.... How odd, when I know they've had at least 3 from jobbridge...


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  • #37
    WinnyThePoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,417 ✭✭✭WinnyThePoo


    Hey I was on a jobbridge. Was told around 2 months to go I had a position. They where gonna wait till it ended. I had meetings with the boss asking to discuss the job, pay. He promised me it would be sorted. The end of the jobbridge came and I worked two more weeks. The boss was never in and eventually I called him saying I could not come in its ended. Are you going to offer me a job ?. He wouldn't answer his phone. So I emailed him. Next thing my work email password was changed. I didn't go back in and didn't actually get offered a position. I had no problem about not being offered a position. He should have just told me. I did get a job through the experience . It just wasn't right to say one thing and lead me on.


  • #38
    B.A._Baracus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,292 ✭✭✭✭B.A._Baracus


    WinnyThePoo wrote: »
    Hey I was on a jobbridge. Was told around 2 months to go I had a position. They where gonna wait till it ended. I had meetings with the boss asking to discuss the job, pay. He promised me it would be sorted. The end of the jobbridge came and I worked two more weeks. The boss was never in and eventually I called him saying I could not come in its ended. Are you going to offer me a job ?. He wouldn't answer his phone. So I emailed him. Next thing my work email password was changed. I didn't go back in and didn't actually get offered a position. I had no problem about not being offered a position. He should have just told me. I did get a job through the experience . It just wasn't right to say one thing and lead me on.

    Totally agree.
    Apart from my own experience I have known quite a few people over the last 2 years who did internships. All of them were told a job was there at the end. Feck, I only know of one who actually got a job in the end.

    I reckon EVERY intern is told there is/should/most likely/etc be a job at the end. But you know yourself, employers will play the game. As if someone was to be told up front there aint no job, the intern would quit :) rightfully so too.

    So there is always that added Bs to these internships :pac:


  • #39
    groovyg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,049 ✭✭✭groovyg


    TheJinMu wrote: »
    Place isn't on it.... How odd, when I know they've had at least 3 from jobbridge...
    That's strange it's not listed, did it all download for you? It's a massive list I had to download to my laptop as it was only downloading as far as those businesses beginning with letter A on my phone


  • #40
    SwimFin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72 ✭✭SwimFin


    The Department of Social Protection is currently in the process of carrying out an evaluation of the JobBridge National Internship Scheme.
    You can go to the survey by clicking the ‘begin survey’ button .

    Any answers you provide are totally private and confidential, and your answers cannot affect any claim you might have with the Department in any way. The Department has set up a Surveys page at

    www . welfare. ie / en / Pages / Surveys-in-the-Department-of-Social-Protection. aspx.

    The Department has endeavoured to provide answers to some questions you may have about the survey in their Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) that can be accessed from this page. However, if you have any other queries regarding this survey please feel free to contact the Department’s team at the Information Unit at (071) 9193313 / Lo Call: 1890 66 22 44* or by contacting JobBridgeSurvey2016 @ welfare. ie and they will be happy to help.


  • #41
    Littletoe
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21 ✭Littletoe


    SwimFin wrote: »
    The Department of Social Protection is currently in the process of carrying out an evaluation of the JobBridge National Internship Scheme.
    You can go to the survey by clicking the ‘begin survey’ button .

    Any answers you provide are totally private and confidential, and your answers cannot affect any claim you might have with the Department in any way. The Department has set up a Surveys page at

    www . welfare. ie / en / Pages / Surveys-in-the-Department-of-Social-Protection. aspx.

    The Department has endeavoured to provide answers to some questions you may have about the survey in their Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) that can be accessed from this page. However, if you have any other queries regarding this survey please feel free to contact the Department’s team at the Information Unit at (071) 9193313 / Lo Call: 1890 66 22 44* or by contacting JobBridgeSurvey2016 @ welfare. ie and they will be happy to help.

    I just signed up to say the same thing, I received a letter from DSP inviting me to participate and was wondering if anybody else had received the same.


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  • #42
    Littletoe
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21 ✭Littletoe


    SwimFin wrote: »
    The Department of Social Protection is currently in the process of carrying out an evaluation of the JobBridge National Internship Scheme.
    You can go to the survey by clicking the ‘begin survey’ button .

    Any answers you provide are totally private and confidential, and your answers cannot affect any claim you might have with the Department in any way. The Department has set up a Surveys page at

    www . welfare. ie / en / Pages / Surveys-in-the-Department-of-Social-Protection. aspx.

    The Department has endeavoured to provide answers to some questions you may have about the survey in their Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) that can be accessed from this page. However, if you have any other queries regarding this survey please feel free to contact the Department’s team at the Information Unit at (071) 9193313 / Lo Call: 1890 66 22 44* or by contacting JobBridgeSurvey2016 @ welfare. ie and they will be happy to help.

    I just signed up to say the same thing, I received a letter from DSP inviting me to participate and was wondering if anybody else had received the same. (I received a link to the survey in an email today, not sure you can get to link provided via the dsp website because I tried that myself too.)


  • #43
    SwimFin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72 ✭✭SwimFin


    JobBridge Positions 2010-16 | Visual Analysis of Companies, Roles, & Timescales

    https : //public.tableau.com /profile /rmchapple#! /vizhome /JobBridgePositionsFilled /JobBridgePositions


  • #44
    Mrs OBumble
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,030 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    TheJinMu wrote: »
    I still think it can be really good but I reckon there should be some sort of incentive to keep people on, or at least sort some of help finding work after the internship.

    I agree with you that it should be like that.

    But it's not. And given that it's not, then you were not screwed over at the end.

    Possibly your mind was fcuked with along the way: this happens in jobs all the time: employers imply that something might happen to motivate you to do whatever, but when it comes to it, the "something" doesn't happen. But people with any degree of smarts are aware of the trend and don't fall for it.

    If you are on any kinds of work-expereince scheme (JobBridge, CE, TUS, whatever) - then your first priority should still be to find yourself a real job. You need to make a call every day about whether the opportunities provided in the scheme-job are moving you towards this or not, and react accordingly.



    And no, I've never done one. I have 20+ years experience in the workforce, so it would be pointless for me to do one, unless I wanted to get into a very different industry to where my experience is.


  • #45
    butterfly28
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58 ✭✭butterfly28


    Has anyone here received a letter from Department of Social Protection asking to take part in a survey - giving your opinion on how to improve Jobbridge??!! Just saw the above posts lol! If they're looking for an opinion they'll certainly get one and hopefully the scheme will disappear FOREVER!


  • #46
    Littletoe
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21 ✭Littletoe


    butterfly28 wrote: »
    Has anyone here received a letter from Department of Social Protection asking to take part in a survey - giving your opinion on how to improve Jobbridge??!! Just saw the above posts lol! If they're looking for an opinion they'll certainly get one and hopefully the scheme will disappear FOREVER!
    The survey is conducted as part of the indecon report that was promised following calls for review last year, from what I understand indecon performed surveys in the past by I doubt anything will come of this one either. Participants do have the opportunity, some no doubt for the first time, to give feedback or air grievances about their experiences on JobBridge. Unfortunately none of this information will be passed back to anyone that matters, or used to help remove or ban employers that have exploited the system as all reports are anonymous. It did feel good to get it out of the system though.


  • #47
    SwimFin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72 ✭✭SwimFin


    livedadream wrote: »
    No- sorry for answering your question Mrs O But im gunna take this one.

    .......all in all I spent 7.5 weeks on the dole....A friend told me about a company locally (Cork) that was hiring someone on Jobbridge in a HR role .....I took it, showed up for the interview suited and booted references and all, took one look at the competition (two lads, one in tracksuit the other in jeans and a hoodie) and smashed it, got the call on a Thursday started on the Monday. I worked my ****ing ass off, Id been told there was no way they had the budget to keep someone on, but that they could offer real experience and would fund any training they thought i needed.

    I came in early, stayed late, did stuff they didnt expect or ask me to do, did a manual handling course, train the trainer, lean 6 sigma, came up with new processes, procedures, again worked my ass off, proved myself, made friends with everyone, from the shop stewards to the ops manager and everyone in-between, drove them all crazy asking them about their jobs and learning.keep someone on and were willing to trade experience for hard graft.

    So thats my answer to your bitchy 'Have you done a jobsbbridge internship yourself' question to Mrs O Bumble. Yes I have and im ****ing delighted I did.

    next...


    Noted is your overwhelming support of JobBridge for allowing you to 'ace' at all that you do so well...and given your achievements, to date...perhaps you might enlighten how you circumvented the '3 month (12 weeks) unemployment sign-on' eligibility rule for JobBridge given you were only signing on for 7.5 weeks.

    I am also curious given the timescale of some of the training involved in manual handling course, train the trainer, lean 6 sigma how all this was done whilst on JobBridge, as normally training courses do not overlap onto each other?

    Love to be able to pack in so much myself TBH.


  • #48
    scamalert
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,732 ✭✭✭scamalert


    SwimFin have you ever did any such sort of training ? manual handling its like 20min course,on how to lift a box,training someone could easily be done while doing your work


  • #49
    SwimFin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72 ✭✭SwimFin


    Manual handling, is as you describe, the lowest of the low with regards to the timescale and the level of training involved. In answer to your query, Aye, I've done a smidgin of training courses incl. manual handling (prerequisite for most people on the job).

    However I did mention 2 other training courses; train the trainer and lean six sigma (certification? Green Belt?), are you familiar with these courses? I am. That is my query all three courses were embarked on during JobBridge; curious as to the overlap given the timeline of such courses and were they funded by JobBridge also? Genuine questions TBH including the eligibility for joining a JobBridge scheme.


    “Learning is experience. Everything else is just information.” ― Albert Einstein


  • #50
    scamalert
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,732 ✭✭✭scamalert


    didnt post to have a go at you SwimFin,dunno about the teach the trainer or karate,seems just bottom level stuff that can be done on ones own time-if were not speaking black belts here :D

    anyway this post drifted a lot ,just chipped in to see how people on JB scheme were expecting something else and got replaced minute it was over,since its long debate that this scheme is more of free labor,i myself knew person who landed in nice job and once over it was good bye,so from me it seems pointless,if someone wants to do 40h week alongside paid person its really their choice,no point in expecting more

    That said im myself doing one of courses to change work fields and supposed to do work experience for few months,but with that , if its not in the field i studied i wont bother doing low end jobs for someone when so many positions should be fully paid for low qualification jobs that are around,yet somehow made to look that you need to sit at them for 6-9 months.


  • #51
    Littletoe
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21 ✭Littletoe


    As someone who willingly signed up to JobBridge all I can say is I'm not sure I can ever forgive myself for doing it to myself. It's less about the availability of work at the end of the day and more about the affects that working under such conditions can have on a person. I won't go into the details other than to say like many others I saw it as an opportunity to gain experience in an area I had recently qualified in and hoped it would bridge the gap between learning and finding employment. I had no problem with the concept of internships prior to entering one myself but having gone through the process it became obvious very quickly that whatever benefit was in it for the employer was more highly regarded than the welfare or benefit of the intern and there's something very wrong about that.
    When you've been told repeatedly that you have no rights it doesn't take long before you start believing it and any kind of state supported venture which condones the removal of rights of its own citizens really needs to be thoroughly re examined. I hope a better employer comes the ops way in the near future.


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  • #52
    livedadream
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,455 ✭✭✭livedadream


    SwimFin wrote: »
    Noted is your overwhelming support of JobBridge for allowing you to 'ace' at all that you do so well...and given your achievements, to date...perhaps you might enlighten how you circumvented the '3 month (12 weeks) unemployment sign-on' eligibility rule for JobBridge given you were only signing on for 7.5 weeks.

    I am also curious given the timescale of some of the training involved in manual handling course, train the trainer, lean 6 sigma how all this was done whilst on JobBridge, as normally training courses do not overlap onto each other?

    Love to be able to pack in so much myself TBH.

    your curiosity is duly noted.

    sorry for the delay in responding was away for the weekend,
    it was a 8 week sign on when i applied, Jobbridge was new at the time and you only needed to be signing on for 8 weeks, incidentally I interviewed before the 8 weeks and then approached the DSP for how to apply, get the paperwork etc done. there was an issue as i had interviewed before the 8 weeks but once i explained i received no guidance from the DSP they were okay with me starting.

    The manual handling instructor course was 4 days spread over four weeks with the assessment held on the 5th day (an exam of an hour and a presentation of 30 mins) and a project to be posted in, lean 6 sigma i did at weekends it was 2 weekends then an assessment to be posted in..
    and train the trainer was the same as the manual handling only longer 1 day off a week for i think 6 weeks but i'm open to correction (it was along time ago) its not even called train the trainer anymore i think its called training delivery now?

    in regards to them crossing over they didn't i was on Jobbridge for just under 7 months... they were one day a week or weekend courses i dont remember them overlapping i remember not wanting to do the six sigma because it seemed very tough and very soon after the manual handling but other than that i was grand.

    and to clarify, it was the organisation that paid, it was completed via the local Chamber not Jobbridge. hope this clears stuff up for you.


  • #53
    scamalert
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,732 ✭✭✭scamalert


    bit off topic but are we speaking of normal manual handling as in lift a box,keep your back straight,if to heavy ask for help and finale everyone lifts a box.

    At least that the sort of manual handling ive received at work took 1h since guy was slow at speaking- thus more like 15mins.

    even safe pass is like 8hrs for a day and thats for proper construction work.
    So a bit dawned as what sort of manual handling requires 5 days to complete :confused:

    sorry ignore seen instructor word.
    All said plenty of programs one can do funded by government or other agencies that dont interfere nor do believe brake any rules of JB-ex springboard you can work part time and still do degree and avail of students privileges,in fact its a bit of a bonus if one has work and its related to course.


  • #54
    livedadream
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,455 ✭✭✭livedadream


    scamalert wrote: »
    bit off topic but are we speaking of normal manual handling as in lift a box,keep your back straight,if to heavy ask for help and finale everyone lifts a box.

    At least that the sort of manual handling ive received at work took 1h since guy was slow at speaking- thus more like 15mins.

    even safe pass is like 8hrs for a day and thats for proper construction work.
    So a bit dawned as what sort of manual handling requires 5 days to complete :confused:

    sorry ignore seen instructor word.

    yeah it was the training to be a manual handling instructor. the training you receive at work legally has to cover, the legislation (ie why your being trained) the spine and why you need to lift stuff correctly, how to lift stuff correctly, how to lift a number of things (group lifts, assisted lifts, high to low, etc etc) and then an assessment of you doing them all to show your competence.


  • #55
    scamalert
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,732 ✭✭✭scamalert


    Littletoe wrote: »
    As someone who willingly signed up to JobBridge all I can say is I'm not sure I can ever forgive myself for doing it to myself. It's less about the availability of work at the end of the day and more about the affects that working under such conditions can have on a person. I won't go into the details other than to say like many others I saw it as an opportunity to gain experience in an area I had recently qualified in and hoped it would bridge the gap between learning and finding employment. I had no problem with the concept of internships prior to entering one myself but having gone through the process it became obvious very quickly that whatever benefit was in it for the employer was more highly regarded than the welfare or benefit of the intern and there's something very wrong about that.
    When you've been told repeatedly that you have no rights it doesn't take long before you start believing it and any kind of state supported venture which condones the removal of rights of its own citizens really needs to be thoroughly re examined. I hope a better employer comes the ops way in the near future.
    sorry for double posting but have been in same position,and it was actually paid,but when you are being told and turned down from any prospect of moving up -not even talking taking position but just trained on side and told its not your place it kills esteem.


  • #56
    TheDoc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,140 ✭✭✭✭TheDoc


    nelly17 wrote: »
    I thought the purpose of Jobsbridge was to gain experience not employment.

    While that is what it SHOULD be touted as, unfortunately Labour and FG got ahead of themselves, and started making lose ties and tangents to how it would be likely someone in Jobridge would impress to the point that they would be kept on into part time or fulltime employment.

    Briefings through the various administrators also pushed this false promise about how "there are many success stories" and the likes.

    Feel for the OP, but there is a lesson to be learned here. Job bridge has always been, and is, and forever will be, a sham construct that allows the government to outline falling unemployment numbers and fake progress, while employers and organisations are essentially able to utilise free labour.

    Whilst I've never been involved in jobridge, I've experience of friends and my GF who have, and it's beyond a joke. Incredibly unrealistic expectations when it comes to commutes, authoritarian attitude from administrators, and in the cases I know of first hand, absolutely no tangible experience or benefit for the person involved. In most cases, openings being provided that have no relevance to the candidates field of expertise.

    It's very much a construct that is aimed at tackling the myth of a gap on a CV being a bad thing, along with having more shady functions regarding EU criteria being met as part of the bailout.


  • #57
    scamalert
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,732 ✭✭✭scamalert


    nelly17 wrote: »
    I thought the purpose of Jobsbridge was to gain experience not employment.
    Somehow majority jobs that prior to recession were paid as you trained and usually took less then few weeks to complete at most,and position most times guaranteed on the spot- became positions into 40h weeks with 6-9 months of training ,since at least employers needed to put in time and it actually cost them - great experience.


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