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whelan2 · 07-05-2016 09:25PM

pedigree 6 wrote: »

It just occurred to me that if you cross cow and how you get chow.
But it's basically chew.

Cow on.
How on.
Chew on.

Other neighbours use Chew..Chew...Chew.

Thats just the wexford accent

pedigree 6 · 07-05-2016 09:35PM

whelan2 wrote: »

Thats just the wexford accent

It could also be a train.

mahoney_j · 07-05-2016 10:39PM

Dawggone wrote: »

Out of interest what word(s) do ye use to call animals?

The French use Ta Ta Ta...

Suck suck suck suck
How how how how
If they don't work something along the lines of will ye come on to fcuk!!!!
I don't pocess a quad

blackdog1 · 07-05-2016 10:59PM

Got the worst bout of crypto this year. Just lost twin Belgian blues I was dripping for 3 days. Old vet retired and I think I got a 'new' vet disease. Just ordered 5 litres of 30% hydrogen peroxide to disenfect at a rate of 10:1 and gonna rent a steam cleaner. Other than calves spring has been ok animal wise.

welton john · 07-05-2016 11:35PM

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

For calves, suuck, suuck, suuck etc.

For cows, how, how, how, how but that's just us round here. My grandmother came from further west, muuuuch further west and that's one of the words that followed her over.

For driving cows, sally, sally, sally, the name of a dog dead 5 years now but she's still driving the cows for me:(

how, how, how very popular round here too.
A few slight changes then for driving them how on ,how on , huuupse.
Also cull,cull,cull, cull used for calling , find it the best, ironic really

whelan2 · 08-05-2016 05:40AM

blackdog1 wrote: »

Got the worst bout of crypto this year. Just lost twin Belgian blues I was dripping for 3 days. Old vet retired and I think I got a 'new' vet disease. Just ordered 5 litres of 30% hydrogen peroxide to disenfect at a rate of 10:1 and gonna rent a steam cleaner. Other than calves spring has been ok animal wise.

Interkokask disenfectant kills crypto

blackdog1 · 08-05-2016 07:00AM

Interkokask is a very good disinfectant but was googling crypto and according to the US centre for disease control hydrogen peroxide is the most effective and kills 99%. At a 3% solution with a 20 min contact time so I'm gonna try that first.

whelan2 · 08-05-2016 09:46AM

blackdog1 wrote: »

Interkokask is a very good disinfectant but was googling crypto and according to the US centre for disease control hydrogen peroxide is the most effective and kills 99%. At a 3% solution with a 20 min contact time so I'm gonna try that first.

did you use halocur?

WheatenBriar · 08-05-2016 10:13AM

Dawggone wrote: »

Out of interest what word(s) do ye use to call animals?

The French use Ta Ta Ta...

Bale up! Bale up!

darragh_haven · 08-05-2016 10:21AM

With bullocks here, it starts out with suuuck suck suck. Then when they go through the electric fence is more "ffs why did you do that" and eventually "ye can stay there so ye cnuts"

fepper · 08-05-2016 10:27AM

[QUOTE=welton joh
Also cull,cull,cull, cull used for calling , find it the best, ironic really[/QUOTE]

That's a great call for the cows I notice with mine,their ears stand up cos its usually a new field of grass im giving to them

blackdog1 · 08-05-2016 11:19AM

whelan2 wrote:

did you use halocur?

Yea . Waste of money. I'm finding that encrypt stuff better. Since I started it only lost the twins because they were weak. Stronger calves seem to survive ok where as before they had to be dripped or died. Lost 5 calves no heifers thank god. Thankfully not all spring calving so only effected 20 calves . I recon the vet brought it in when I had them look at a calf with a touch of Rota.

stretch film · 08-05-2016 11:33AM

blackdog1 wrote: »

Yea . Waste of money. I'm finding that encrypt stuff better. Since I started it only lost the twins because they were weak. Stronger calves seem to survive ok where as before they had to be dripped or died. Lost 5 calves no heifers thank god. Thankfully not all spring calving so only effected 20 calves . I recon the vet brought it in when I had them look at a calf with a touch of Rota.

Is there such a thing as a "touch of rotavirus".
Had a positive lab result here .vet maintained that you'd have a torrid time with Rota with casualties inevitable. I had a lot of scour but v few were bad and none died.
I agree the vets are a big risk for transferring disease .

awaywithyou · 08-05-2016 11:46AM

blackdog1 wrote: »

Yea . Waste of money. I'm finding that encrypt stuff better. Since I started it only lost the twins because they were weak. Stronger calves seem to survive ok where as before they had to be dripped or died. Lost 5 calves no heifers thank god. Thankfully not all spring calving so only effected 20 calves . I recon the vet brought it in when I had them look at a calf with a touch of Rota.

did you use a product called parafor???

halocur will prevent crypto.... but will not cure it.... parafor will help to cure it... its in powder form... three teaspoons into a solution of electrolytes in the middle of the day every day til calf improves or dies.....

its shocking expensive stuff... but we find it works well....

Brown Podzol · 08-05-2016 11:48AM

Dawggone wrote: »

Out of interest what word(s) do ye use to call animals?

The French use Ta Ta Ta...

For adult cattle if how how, hup hup, whistle doesn't work usually when they break into a fresh paddock, I make a buzzing sound, bzzzzzzzzzzzz. Mimicking a wearable fly. The tails go straight up and they head straight for the yard.

blackdog1 · 08-05-2016 12:55PM

awaywithyou wrote: »

did you use a product called parafor???

halocur will prevent crypto.... but will not cure it.... parafor will help to cure it... its in powder form... three teaspoons into a solution of electrolytes in the middle of the day every day til calf improves or dies.....

its shocking expensive stuff... but we find it works well....

used halocur from birth only worked on a few and not great twice as expensive as encrypt and not as good. never heard of parafor will have to ask about it.

i had a touch of rota because i was vaccinating for it but still got a small bit and calves recovered very quick. got the vet to check the calves and then the problem started. the amout of vets who dont disenfect coming in or going is disgraceful.

keep going · 08-05-2016 02:01PM

whelan2 wrote: »

What are the target figures for submission rates?

I know teagsc regard this as an important kpi but they can stick it up their h##e.on one man shows it puts fierce pressure on if they are all calving early.10 %per week andfinished in mid to late april would leave you more profit and less pressure all round

Wildsurfer · 08-05-2016 02:25PM

keep going wrote: »

I know teagsc regard this as an important kpi but they can stick it up their h##e.on one man shows it puts fierce pressure on if they are all calving early.10 %per week andfinished in mid to late april would leave you more profit and less pressure all round

I can't see how a longer calving spread could leave you with more profit? Compact calving to grass means more high solids milk produced.. Can't argue with that teagasc advice. I agree its tough work but nothing worse than having cows still to calve and breeding getting underway. Nice to draw a line under calving, take a break and then focus on breeding. Also allows all cows to be dried off in mid December. Get in plenty labour in Feb/Mar and it will pay for itself.

mahoney_j · 08-05-2016 02:37PM

Compact calving of 50% plus of herd in first 2 weeks of Feb is cruical even more so in a one man show .when u start calving and feeding calves it's as easy with 20/30 than. Handful .a short sharp bust of cows calving lhen let things settle with calving wrapped up by 10/12 April will leave more profit and milk solids

Timmaay · 08-05-2016 03:59PM

mahoney_j wrote: »

Compact calving of 50% plus of herd in first 2 weeks of Feb is cruical even more so in a one man show .when u start calving and feeding calves it's as easy with 20/30 than. Handful .a short sharp bust of cows calving lhen let things settle with calving wrapped up by 10/12 April will leave more profit and milk solids

100% agreed, you have all of January to get sheds ready and your system in place for a huge burst of calving during Feb, your hopefully well rested and full of energy for the early burst of calving. From early March on this energy will have well drained, you won't want to look at another cow calving again, mistakes and shortcuts can quickly creep in very quickly, sheds are generally at bursting point and you have probably gotten abit sloppy with hygiene etc, combined with bacteria having several weeks to build up, the later part of calving season is by far the biggest risk of it all going tits up! If you find yourself consistent short of grass in the spring then you should be moving out mating start date in my view, instead of trying to spread out the calving season.

Milked out · 08-05-2016 04:07PM

Depending on the year I'd agree with both sides tbh. Timmay and mj coming from.sides where cows can more often than not go out once calving starts whereas when the opposite is true a more relaxed start can help. Delayed the heifer this year till now as found they get put under pressure.freshly calved battling with cows for feed so hopefully the herd will be closer to turnout and give them a better chance

Timmaay · 08-05-2016 04:53PM

Milked out wrote: »

Depending on the year I'd agree with both sides tbh. Timmay and mj coming from.sides where cows can more often than not go out once calving starts whereas when the opposite is true a more relaxed start can help. Delayed the heifer this year till now as found they get put under pressure.freshly calved battling with cows for feed so hopefully the herd will be closer to turnout and give them a better chance

My only problem with that is I find a 1st lactation cow needs time to come back around and I wouldn't be comfortable expecting them to all pull back a month. Only feed space for 1/2 the cows here but managed to juggle buffer feeding them well at milking times, 1/2 would go into the feed barrier before milking to eat soyahulls, while the other half being milked, then just swap around in the middle of milking. I was under fierce pressure for cubicle space during late feb/march this year I'll admit, around 10pm I use to let on out 15 or so heifer cows to another straw bedded shed, or out to the paddock if it was dry enough. Acceptable juggling in my view once the likes of this spring are once of, if it becomes more frequently then I'll have to look at changing my system.

keep going · 08-05-2016 06:27PM

Timmaay wrote: »

100% agreed, you have all of January to get sheds ready and your system in place for a huge burst of calving during Feb, your hopefully well rested and full of energy for the early burst of calving. From early March on this energy will have well drained, you won't want to look at another cow calving again, mistakes and shortcuts can quickly creep in very quickly, sheds are generally at bursting point and you have probably gotten abit sloppy with hygiene etc, combined with bacteria having several weeks to build up, the later part of calving season is by far the biggest risk of it all going tits up! If you find yourself consistent short of grass in the spring then you should be moving out mating start date in my view, instead of trying to spread out the calving season.

The jist is you have a nice steady pull, no big number of calves and associated desease problems, no mad stuff in the parlour with lines with 3 or 4 heifers, leading to over milking of other cows and a better chance of actually feeding a milking cow on grass.each to their own but if you can still have them all calved for mid april you still leave a decent profit its not hard by the way to milk a good percentage for december if you have any sort of a setup.thats the way calving panned out for me this year and I had my best scour year and best calving and best start to cell count in a long time and no cow lost or missed calvings.

whelan2 · 08-05-2016 07:51PM

can the end of year report for my farm from Glanbia be printed off the glanbia connect site, you know the one page that comes with scc, supply, protein, bf , payments etc on it?

pedigree 6 · 08-05-2016 08:01PM

My own situation is a small herd and i have everything dried off on the 1st Dec and start calving on the 15th Jan.
Straw bedding for the cows so not ideal for milking through the winter anyway.
All cows will have calved by the 30th mar hopefully meaning bull is taken away around the 7th July.
Any cows bulling after that are fattened up that winter or spring for factory no matter what age they are.
That means any replacements heifers born are bred from the most fertile cows and they are all the same age and easier manage as a group and it continues then to when they start milking themselves.
So all stock is managed the same cows,calves, yearlings all in their own groups.
Now I never had a winter contract and don't have a big number of cows so if I had late callers it would hardly be worth it for the milk Lorry to collect it anyway.

But that's my system and you don't like having to cull 1st and 2nd calvers but if they don't go in calf in that time they're gone. Plus they do fatten well anyway.

Edit: just make sure you have enough shed space for all the cows calving together and enough sheds for all the calves.

howdee · 08-05-2016 08:26PM

Anyone elses butter fat after collapsing lately.. Gone down to 3.36 with protein at 3.68. Adlib straw in collection yard all the time but it doesnt seem to be making a difference. Covers are very lush to be fair but it shouldnt be down this low.

atlantic mist · 08-05-2016 09:06PM

ya butter fat dropped below 3 here just for one collection, dont think it happened before, got milk recording done one of the days and fat was 3.5 so might have to contact milk manager as im not sure how accurate their test was

sent few fr bull off to mart, best made 180 worst made 115 all three weeks old, they made as much as the angus on sale which surprised me

a few of ye mentioned a magnet for the cow that i think ate something...need to ask ye a bit more on this do you just run it along the animal or get her to swallow it? if ragworth is their any tonic to give?

whelan2 · 08-05-2016 09:24PM

atlantic mist wrote: »

ya butter fat dropped below 3 here just for one collection, dont think it happened before, got milk recording done one of the days and fat was 3.5 so might have to contact milk manager as im not sure how accurate their test was

sent few fr bull off to mart, best made 180 worst made 115 all three weeks old, they made as much as the angus on sale which surprised me

a few of ye mentioned a magnet for the cow that i think ate something...need to ask ye a bit more on this do you just run it along the animal or get her to swallow it? if ragworth is their any tonic to give?

There's a special gun for putting the magnet down her throat, no cure for ragworth posioning unfortunately, a slow and painful death

pedigree 6 · 08-05-2016 09:29PM

On the magnet. It's in the form of a bolus and adminisitered the same way as a mineral bolus.
Any cow that's sick here the vet will put a magnet in their stomach.

Dawggone · 08-05-2016 09:32PM

atlantic mist wrote: »

ya butter fat dropped below 3 here just for one collection, dont think it happened before, got milk recording done one of the days and fat was 3.5 so might have to contact milk manager as im not sure how accurate their test was

sent few fr bull off to mart, best made 180 worst made 115 all three weeks old, they made as much as the angus on sale which surprised me

a few of ye mentioned a magnet for the cow that i think ate something...need to ask ye a bit more on this do you just run it along the animal or get her to swallow it? if ragworth is their any tonic to give?

Vet or medical supplies will have the magnets. Bolus gun will do or a 3/4" water pipe with a 1/2" pipe as a plunger iykwim.

Calves are making good money as French calves aren't making export because of Bluetongue.

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