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tanko · 21-04-2016 02:28PM

dh1985 wrote: »

Where on icbf do you get this sorted of info.

If you're in herdplus with ICBF which costs €60 per year. You go into profiles, then beef eurostar and click on the cows tag number. Then click on progeny and it show how her progeny killed out.

Cavanjack · 21-04-2016 03:22PM

limo_100 wrote: »

Tanko your like myself checking icbf for progeny performance heres one for yous lads sold a ch bullock at the end of oct he was 695kg i got 1600 for him. He was killed mid to late feb with a carcass weight of 508Kg and graded E-2+ did I give him away

He was probably 850kg live weight when killed assuming he killed out at 60% so he had to put 150 kg on him. So 5kg of meal a day for 100 days plus silage would put that on him. So €120 for meal plus a bit of silage. €200 would have fed him and another €100 for dosing, transport etc.
So Say €350 cost to finish him plus the €1600 is €1950. He would have got €4.32 a kg incl bonus assuming he wasn't cut for weight so €2194. He might have left the finisher €250 for 4 months. He didn't do too bad. You probably didn't do too bad either

limo_100 · 21-04-2016 10:14PM

Cavanjack wrote: »

He was probably 850kg live weight when killed assuming he killed out at 60% so he had to put 150 kg on him. So 5kg of meal a day for 100 days plus silage would put that on him. So €120 for meal plus a bit of silage. €200 would have fed him and another €100 for dosing, transport etc.
So Say €350 cost to finish him plus the €1600 is €1950. He would have got €4.32 a kg incl bonus assuming he wasn't cut for weight so €2194. He might have left the finisher €250 for 4 months. He didn't do too bad. You probably didn't do too bad either

we bought did well so I had him for 20months and wasn't that big but he was low and broad and round as f*ck, Its the best price we even got in the mart for a store animal in fairness i dont think i'll beat it anytime soon but at least its something to aim for in future,

Bass Reeves · 22-04-2016 08:31AM

limo_100 wrote: »

Tanko your like myself checking icbf for progeny performance heres one for yous lads sold a ch bullock at the end of oct he was 695kg i got 1600 for him. He was killed mid to late feb with a carcass weight of 508Kg and graded E-2+ did I give him away

Cavanjack wrote: »

He was probably 850kg live weight when killed assuming he killed out at 60% so he had to put 150 kg on him. So 5kg of meal a day for 100 days plus silage would put that on him. So €120 for meal plus a bit of silage. €200 would have fed him and another €100 for dosing, transport etc.
So Say €350 cost to finish him plus the €1600 is €1950. He would have got €4.32 a kg incl bonus assuming he wasn't cut for weight so €2194. He might have left the finisher €250 for 4 months. He didn't do too bad. You probably didn't do too bad either

Not sure if he would kill 60% more likely 58% because of FS2+. That would mean that he was 890kgs LW at slaughter. So 190 kgs was put on him kgs. Sounds like he was on Ad lib and was slaughtered 100 days after going on it. He would have eaten 2% of his body weight/day in DM he average 790kg over the finishing period.

If that was the case he cost 3.5/day during the finishing period or 350 euro plus dosing transport mortality costs ( across all this finisher costs), slaughter fees say 70 euro. He cost 420 to finish so was up over 2K on costs.

At 508kgs like jacks says if he was uncut for weight and got the QA bonus he came into 2194, if he was docked 20c/kg for weight and the QA bonus as well he only got 4.02/kg. He would have averaged 2050. More than likly he was not cut as finishers that deal in these type of animals really watch the penelty's and have total agreement with processor. However he may have only Been paid to the U+ grade or got a flat price for him maybe 4.2/kg as some processors do not pay on the grid for E grade animals.

While a finisher might have squeezed my feed costs using a diet feeder he would have higher machiney costs and labour involved as well.

tismesoitis · 22-04-2016 10:56PM

killed a couple of cows this week 1, U-3 440kgs paid at 3.60/kg other one , R-4 451kgs paid at 3.5/kg. happy with the result.

valtra2 · 24-04-2016 09:50PM

What price would a 10 year limousine bull make in factory. About 950 kg good condition.

CHOPS01 · 04-05-2016 12:29AM

What daily weight gain should I expect from 2 year old HEx over the next 6 months on grass anyone know ?

Bass Reeves · 04-05-2016 12:36AM

CHOPS01 wrote: »

What daily weight gain should I expect from 2 year old HEx over the next 6 months on grass anyone know ?

It would depend on if they are good rangy hungry store's (unlikely) or hothouse flowers. 0.8kgs/day would be goodish going. 140kgs over 180 days.

CloughCasey1 · 06-05-2016 08:58AM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

It would depend on if they are good rangy hungry store's (unlikely) or hothouse flowers. 0.8kgs/day would be goodish going. 140kgs over 180 days.

On good leafy grass maybe a touch more. For what you bought them for CHOPS and the weight they were you'd want to be getting them to at least 1.2kg per day. That would give them 220kg gain on the 480kg ave you bought them for. That's 700kg LW approx 360DW and with QA u30mts and Hereford bonus possibly 4.10/kg. You'll need every cent of it. You'll have to buy some finishing stuff to push them in for last 3mts. Starting off at 2kg and up to 5kg at end and still on good grass. Then there's the danger if they are butty and going over fat in which case LG will r**e ya and ya won't even get base price for themðŸ˜£.

Willfarman · 06-05-2016 09:07AM

Bass hit the nail on the head there. have had hungry Herefords do 2 kg here in June . Absolutely no breed like them to endure a winter of little subsistence and then convert grass to beef. It's an under used merit of the breed in these lean times. But in general over the the full grazing season .8 of kg is my benchmark too.

Cavanjack · 06-05-2016 09:15AM

Willfarman wrote: »

Bass hit the nail on the head there. have had hungry Herefords do 2 kg here in June . Absolutely no breed like them to endure a winter of little subsistence and then convert grass to beef. It's an under used merit of the breed in these lean times. But in general over the the full grazing season .8 of kg is my benchmark too.

What weight gain would you expect off hungry Friesian yearlings?

Willfarman · 06-05-2016 10:08AM

Cavanjack wrote: »

What weight gain would you expect off hungry Friesian yearlings?

If they are hungry but have frames now not stunted or disease survivors 150kg is achievable by mid October.

Cavanjack · 06-05-2016 10:22AM

Willfarman wrote: »

If they are hungry but have frames now not stunted or disease survivors 150kg is achievable by mid October.

Thanks Wouldn't be too bad I suppose. Weighed them a few weeks ago and they are round 330lg so I'll dig this post up again when I weigh them at housing time.

CloughCasey1 · 06-05-2016 10:30AM

Willfarman wrote: »

Bass hit the nail on the head there. have had hungry Herefords do 2 kg here in June . Absolutely no breed like them to endure a winter of little subsistence and then convert grass to beef. It's an under used merit of the breed in these lean times. But in general over the the full grazing season .8 of kg is my benchmark too.

I agree. Nothing like them to put flesh on with grass alone. Point being with a little push they could do 1kg per day ave over year and be fit to kill at 22-24mts eliminating second winter. Would that not be more cost effective? This would be from calf to beef route and not buying stores like CHOPS.

Bass Reeves · 06-05-2016 12:01PM

CloughCasey1 wrote: »

On good leafy grass maybe a touch more. For what you bought them for CHOPS and the weight they were you'd want to be getting them to at least 1.2kg per day. That would give them 220kg gain on the 480kg ave you bought them for. That's 700kg LW approx 360DW and with QA u30mts and Hereford bonus possibly 4.10/kg. You'll need every cent of it. You'll have to buy some finishing stuff to push them in for last 3mts. Starting off at 2kg and up to 5kg at end and still on good grass. Then there's the danger if they are butty and going over fat in which case LG will r**e ya and ya won't even get base price for themðŸ˜£.

Not sure if there si much point in going over 3kgs on grass unless garss is scarce at year end and if grass is very wet they would do better with either hay grass and ration out side or silage and ration inside.

Feeding 3 kgs on grass is costing at least 1,15/day and if paying 7/bag for a ration you are up on 1.35/day feeding costs including 50c/day for grass. Feeding 5 kgs/day you are at 1.9/ at 7/bag. On that amount of ration they would want to be putting on 0.6 kg/day of flesh( over 1 kg LW/day) for you to make money and on. However the real benchmark is what extra weight they have to put on to pay for the ration. If they are doing 0.8kgs/day on grass alone. At 7/bag for dation they need to do an extra 0.33kgs DW at an end price of 4.2/kg and 0.35kgs DW extra at 4/kg. If this was converting at 60% you would need 0.55kgs LW/day extra with the ration. IMO all you are doing when taking time into account is giving beef at cost to Larry

Then you have the danger that they will go over fat everything with two year old HE and AA is as much weight off grass alone and a 2-3kgs of a mix for last 6-8 weeks. Barley and soya hulls ( about 200/ton I expect this year) if you are doing enough cattle otherwise I would feeding straight barley from the bag you should pay no more than 220/ton for that. Price and weight off grass is everything.

There is a lot to be said for targeting them off grass to avoid the second winter. However as Willfarmer said they are the one animal that will do well on goodish silage alone especially if it is high in DM. 68+ DMD silage at over 35%DM and they will trive away over the winter and if you are softish like me you might give them 1.5kg/day ration with minerals and calcium. If you can get away with a 120 day winter your costs will be not much with 1 euro/day. Watch them thrive when they hit grass on or before St Patricks day.

Willfarman · 06-05-2016 12:42PM

CloughCasey1 wrote: »

I agree. Nothing like them to put flesh on with grass alone. Point being with a little push they could do 1kg per day ave over year and be fit to kill at 22-24mts eliminating second winter. Would that not be more cost effective? This would be from calf to beef route and not buying stores like CHOPS.

On a calf to beef job I think definitely. Allows you to run more small cattle per acre and you are getting more from the grass. Calves have to be born Feb or before though. March calves onwards harder to work

Bass Reeves · 06-05-2016 01:32PM

CloughCasey1 wrote: »

I agree. Nothing like them to put flesh on with grass alone. Point being with a little push they could do 1kg per day ave over year and be fit to kill at 22-24mts eliminating second winter. Would that not be more cost effective? This would be from calf to beef route and not buying stores like CHOPS.

Willfarman wrote: »

On a calf to beef job I think definitely. Allows you to run more small cattle per acre and you are getting more from the grass. Calves have to be born Feb or before though. March calves onwards harder to work

You would be killing at 20-22 months rather than 24 months. Lots of HE/AA cattle are killed out of the shed at this age anyway. These are March/April born cattle that are killed at this stage. Hard to buy HE especially that are January/February born. Dairy farmers in general only let the HE bull to cows after the first 4-6 weeks of AI. Other factor mitigating against it is autumn price is generally lower than at other times of year. However you ddo get the higher AA/He bonus from mid November(I think) until mid January. They will kill sub 300 in general about 280kgs. At a price of 4/kg they be making 1100-1150 at slaughter. If you pay 300+ as early calves is there a margin especially if you lose 2-3% of calves and it could be more.

bogman_bass · 06-05-2016 02:04PM

CloughCasey1 wrote: »

I agree. Nothing like them to put flesh on with grass alone. Point being with a little push they could do 1kg per day ave over year and be fit to kill at 22-24mts eliminating second winter. Would that not be more cost effective? This would be from calf to beef route and not buying stores like CHOPS.

CHOPS?

CloughCasey1 · 06-05-2016 03:06PM

bogman_bass wrote: »

CHOPS?

CHOPS01 first poster on the two yr old hex question. ☺

CloughCasey1 · 06-05-2016 03:11PM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

You would be killing at 20-22 months rather than 24 months. Lots of HE/AA cattle are killed out of the shed at this age anyway. These are March/April born cattle that are killed at this stage. Hard to buy HE especially that are January/February born. Dairy farmers in general only let the HE bull to cows after the first 4-6 weeks of AI. Other factor mitigating against it is autumn price is generally lower than at other times of year. However you ddo get the higher AA/He bonus from mid November(I think) until mid January. They will kill sub 300 in general about 280kgs. At a price of 4/kg they be making 1100-1150 at slaughter. If you pay 300+ as early calves is there a margin especially if you lose 2-3% of calves and it could be more.

All calves bought this yr are oct-jan calves so that's the way I would be looking at. I will keep pushing them to be doing the kg a day and have them pushing towards 700kg lw by slaughter.That's if I can get me hands in extra ground. I reared two nov born hex to 450kg at 16mts sold this March and they were by no means exceptional calves when bought as sucks.

bogman_bass · 06-05-2016 04:05PM

CloughCasey1 wrote: »

CHOPS01 first poster on the two yr old hex question. ☺

Ah! got ya now!

MfMan · 11-05-2016 03:28PM

Good news, if true..

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/agribusiness-and-food/eu-bows-to-pressure-and-removes-beef-from-mercosur-trade-deal-1.2643753

pedigree 6 · 11-05-2016 06:09PM

MfMan wrote: »

Good news, if true..

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/agribusiness-and-food/eu-bows-to-pressure-and-removes-beef-from-mercosur-trade-deal-1.2643753

Yea good news and we're saving the rainforests. So thats one for the farmers and environmentalists.

Cassidy2 · 11-05-2016 08:40PM

Any price rise 4 Euro for r and u bulls

Cassidy2 · 11-05-2016 08:40PM

Any price rise 4 Euro for r and I bulls

epfff · 11-05-2016 09:42PM

Cassidy2 wrote: »

Any price rise 4 Euro for r and I bulls

Nope
Not seeing it next week either

But if I knew anything I wouldn't be still feeding beeg

Cassidy2 · 11-05-2016 10:11PM

It's about for bulls not to heavy

blue5000 · 11-05-2016 11:59PM

Cassidy2 wrote: »

It's about for bulls not to heavy

Mix over and under 24 mths, 3.90 U and 3.80 R market for over 400kg dw is soft enough still. Are the hind quarters going to Italy that they don't want them too heavy?

Jb1989 · 18-05-2016 12:12AM

Numbers holding well in the factory this week.
Next week they mightened have as many
Possible slight price increase of 5c or could be pushed

This week quote Over 16 months
Bulls 3:90 R 4:00 U kepak

Bulls 4:00 R. 4:12 U omagh

davidk1394 · 18-05-2016 10:08AM

Got 4.02 for a young bull made 1518

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