Whatever happened acid rain?

mickdw · 06-05-2016 12:18AM

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

It's like global warming, when the figures didn't add up to back up what they preached they lobbed the lot in to the climate change brand.

Yep the global warming didn't quite work out as preached so somewhere climate change was dropped in instead. A stroke of genius - covers all angles and confuses the issue.

beach_walker · 06-05-2016 12:23AM

Deleted User wrote: »

And remember when "the oil running out in the not too distant future" was a worry up until about mid 2008 when the world economy was starting to get rough.

Awh man in the mid-2000s the Greens in college painted the greatest picture of the world would be like now. Pure Mad Max fighting over the last oil reserves. "It'll never be be cheaper than $100 a barrel again!" Well done lads, the future is boring.

jimgoose · 06-05-2016 08:40AM

beach_walker wrote: »

Awh man in the mid-2000s the Greens in college painted the greatest picture of the world would be like now. Pure Mad Max fighting over the last oil reserves. "It'll never be be cheaper than $100 a barrel again!" Well done lads, the future is boring.

I had been looking forward to that - most of these bearded, wistful, Env-Botherers can't ride a motorcycle or use a shotgun, so I'd have been sorted. Oh well. See you on the road, scag!

Dinny Byrne has Angina · 01-06-2016 06:33PM

Deleted User wrote: »

And remember when "the oil running out in the not too distant future" was a worry up until about mid 2008 when the world economy was starting to get rough.

There was a junior certificate science textbook in circulation in the late 1990's which righteously announced that crude oil and gas would be exhausted by the 2020's-30's.

Factually speaking, they will never be exhausted. And although it will eventually become economically unviable to extract oil and gas, the 2030's prediction is a woefully premature miscalculation.

Capt'n Midnight · 01-06-2016 06:41PM

Rain still contains Hydric Acid which has a pH of 7.0

that's way higher than most other acids :eek:

Ronald Wilson Reagan · 01-06-2016 07:54PM

In a case of dammed if you do and dammed if you don't, the reduction of sulphur released to the air has actually had the effect of increasing global warming.

failinis · 01-06-2016 07:56PM

I read the title as "What ever happened to Baby Jane?"

buried · 01-06-2016 07:59PM

Whatever happened acid techno?

mikeym · 01-06-2016 08:52PM

Didnt the Nineties cartoon superhero Captain Planet stop the Acid Rain?

gramar · 02-06-2016 08:37AM

CFC's are another thing you never hear about anymore either. Are they still a thing?

Samaris · 02-06-2016 08:44AM

CFCs were more or less banned worldwide.

As for "factually speaking, oil and gas will never run out", I have no idea what planet you're living on. How do you think it's made? When a resource takes thousands of years to form and it is heavily used, y'know, maths.

However, peak oil and gas have been extended by decades by the development of commercially viable ways of getting out the oil and gas from more difficult reservoirs (such as shales), primarily by fracking. There was an awful lot of hydrocarbons left in these reservoirs, they were just not commercially viable until a method was developed.

andekwarhola · 02-06-2016 09:01AM

Haven't a clue. But I like your username.

gramar · 02-06-2016 10:00AM

Samaris wrote: »

CFCs were more or less banned worldwide.

As for "factually speaking, oil and gas will never run out", I have no idea what planet you're living on. How do you think it's made? When a resource takes thousands of years to form and it is heavily used, y'know, maths.

However, peak oil and gas have been extended by decades by the development of commercially viable ways of getting out the oil and gas from more difficult reservoirs (such as shales), primarily by fracking. There was an awful lot of hydrocarbons left in these reservoirs, they were just not commercially viable until a method was developed.

Would the ban on cfc's have had anything to do with the acid rain no longer being an issue?

SEPT 23 1989 · 02-06-2016 10:19AM

The sheep need a good scare to keep them in line

Samaris · 02-06-2016 12:00PM

gramar wrote: »

Would the ban on cfc's have had anything to do with the acid rain no longer being an issue?

Hm, that I don't know, it was never a core part of what I studied. Interesting question though, I'll have to look into that.

Totally preliminary guessing - probably not, the main part of acidification comes from hydrocarbon sources. But it's a huge system and many things impact on others.

Edit: Totally preliminary googling suggests I'm completely wrong and it does have an impact, but still, that was a 3 second scan so I'm not much the wiser than I was from guessing!

beach_walker · 02-06-2016 01:13PM

I also miss the hole in the o-zone layer scare stories. Some quality sh!t (Aussie made) videos in school warning about how nobody would ever be able to enjoy going to the beach again *cut to panning shot of bikini clad babes applying sun cream* Quality.

bonzodog2 · 02-06-2016 01:15PM

wil wrote: »

Thank f for that.

Reaches for suntan lotion.

Ahem.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPf2-Ha0HOk

DEFTLEFTHAND · 02-06-2016 02:40PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

Remember in school we had posters about acid rain and how it would literally dissolve animals, trees and ultimately people. Teacher fully believed it, even though looking back she hadn't a clue what it was.

The oil would run out by 2020 was one we used to hear in Primary school. I used to really worry about it. I thought I was going to be denied my chance to own a car.

maudgonner · 02-06-2016 03:11PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

The sheep need a good scare to keep them in line

Wait, wait, it was the sheep that were causing acid rain? Woah.

And the farty cows are behind climate change and all?

Divils. Divils, the lot of them! We need to eat more cows and sheep, get rid of them before they kill us all :eek:

Stigura · 02-06-2016 04:07PM

Dinny Byrne has Angina wrote: »

Whatever happened to acid rain?

Lyaiera wrote: »

They split up and reformed as El Nino.

Absolutely one of the Best fcuking come backs I've ever read! Take a bow, Lyaiera. Fcuking brilliant!

Widdershins · 02-06-2016 05:03PM

Acid rain recently came up in something I was reading about an unrelated topic. I read about the grimy buildings of a Polish city being left grimy because it sort of protected them from erosion by acid rain. Maybe a Polish Boards user can confirm or dispute this?

Special Circumstances · 02-06-2016 05:07PM

jimgoose wrote: »

The third thing that happened was the Lambda sensor in all petrol cars. That got rid of an awful lot of NOx.

But nox is good now according to the Greens? Preferable to CO2 at least. Man, you'd swear they were making up as they go along, there doesn't seem to be any consistency or logic at work.

Patser · 02-06-2016 05:10PM

Dinny Byrne has Angina wrote: »

There was a junior certificate science textbook in circulation in the late 1990's which righteously announced that crude oil and gas would be exhausted by the 2020's-30's.

Factually speaking, they will never be exhausted. And although it will eventually become economically unviable to extract oil and gas, the 2030's prediction is a woefully premature miscalculation.

Sure when the Greens were in Govt only 6 years ago it was all about peak oil, how we'd passed a point were demand had outstripped supply of oil and that prices would spiral out of control....

Or just make fracking and extraction from tar sands financially viable leading to a current glut of oil that has seen prices crash until recent production cuts have created a balance.

JupiterKid · 03-06-2016 02:33AM

I remember the acid rain debate back in the 80s - it was a big environmental topic. One issue was the forests of Sweden and Finland being damaged by the coal pollution from the UK - all that sulphur crossing the North Sea.

But yeah. You don't hear of acid rain anymore. Another effect of acid rain was to eat away at limestone and marble buildings, particularly beautiful historic buildings like cathedrals.

I think the big switch from coal to natural gas for power generation, sulphur dioxide scrubbers in chimneys has partially resolved the acid rain problem.

After acid rain came the ozone layer and then climate change from greenhouse gasses. The nuclear debate was big back then too - remember Chernobyl? But it's funny how we've come full circle as there is a new wave of nuclear power station building.

Dinny Byrne has Angina · 03-06-2016 03:06PM

Samaris wrote: »

As for "factually speaking, oil and gas will never run out", I have no idea what planet you're living on. How do you think it's made? When a resource takes thousands of years to form and it is heavily used, y'know, maths.

Before you get so incensed, think of what I just said.

There will be many millions of barrels of oil left in the ground when it will have become economically unfeasible to extract it.

Oil will slowly disappear from usage as a major source of energy, but it will never run out. I actually spelled this out in my post, but you chose not to read that bit.

The Randy Riverbeast · 03-06-2016 03:36PM

gramar wrote: »

Would the ban on cfc's have had anything to do with the acid rain no longer being an issue?

Dont think so. The problem with CFCs was that they were bonding with either the spare O (may have been the O2) so the O2 and O1 weren't bonding together again to form O3 (ozone) which protects us from the sun's UV (I think) rays. Absorbing the radiation causes O3 to break into O2 and O.

Acid rain is caused by sulfur dioxide and nitrogen oxide. They did something with the water to make it acidic. Mostly from Coal and vehicles. Been awhile since I did chemistry.

December2012 · 03-06-2016 08:41PM

wil wrote: »

maudgonner wrote: »

I'll see your Price, and raise you: The Thrills, Whatever Happened to Acid

Well if that's the way you're gonna play it.
Round ere we call it acieed.

Is that Littlefinger from Game of Thrones in DMob?

Ally Dick · 03-06-2016 08:55PM

Acid rain ? Sure it's always been acidic !!!

Whatever happened acid rain?

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