Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours 2016, Mod Warning in OP, 10/7

MD1990 · 30-04-2016 11:51AM

An example of why Sturridge isn't starting is his performances away from in Europe have been poor. He a very talented player but I hear some saying he is world class when he has never performed in a major championship for England or in Europe mostly due to injury but he also hasn't played well either.
Besiktas(last season) ,Augsburg & Man Utd he was poor in all these games. I would start him Thursday but I can see why he didn't start.

30-04-2016 01:18PM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

......... However if Origi was fit he'd be starting not Sturridge and that is the thing to remember in all this - the 21 year old is now Klopp's first choice striker. ........

The old adage, form is temporary class is permanent.

I said it yesterday there's possibly a Houllier & Fowler thing going on, Houllier thought Heskey was better than Fowler.

I doubt Klopp thinks Origi is better than Sturridge, if he does there's a problem and it's not Sturridge

Origi is a goal every 3 games player this season, he has never been anywhere near that before, I hope he goes on to be a 1 in 2 or better striker for us but I wouldn't bet on it. Term purple patch comes to mind.

Regarding moneyball & FSG etc, I can't imagine them being overly unhappy with Sturridge's wages (£7.5m/annum if he hits goal targets iirc, £6m/annum basic) considering what they paid for him compared to ....

- Milner £100k/week and he won't be getting any better at his age
- Firmino £100k/week and cost £28m
- Benteke £140k/week and cost £32m

All in he's one of our costliest players but 1 of 5 or 6, not a huge outlier. He's missed lots of games this year and last, if they reckon he will going forward and they don't want to risk it he's definitely sellable to the extent that they won't come out badly from it £ wise.

30-04-2016 01:34PM

NukaCola wrote: »

...........i will say that some posters argument was we'd win with Sturridge on the pitch with no real debate on why, just because.

Most people made the point that we weren't testing VR in the final third despite having plenty of the ball.

It was clear after 30 mins that an actual striker would have been beneficial. Be it Sturridge or Benteke. Given Benteke is just back from injury and hadn't played a game since Feb iirc correctly Sturridge would have been the obvious choice once Coutinho had to come off imo.

He's scored frequently over the last 6 weeks, he's in form.

People saying we'd have won had he played is a tad looney (if anyone said that), we'd have had a far greater chance of scoring though you would think.

If he hadn't scored we would have been listening to the turd and his merryman bladdering on about it but that would have been preferable to not having a go against VR when an away goal would have been huge, worth double what a goal at Anfield will be worth now considering how Thursday's game finished.

K-9 · 30-04-2016 02:04PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I doubt what he says about Sturridge. I think it's very clear there is an issue between them. I hope they sort it out and Sturridge is on board next season but if Klopp wants something different then I'll have to accept that. I'd really loathe to lose a player of that quality though.

How is it very clear?

30-04-2016 02:06PM

Lovely tribute to the Hillsborough families from Everton at the start of their match....

Kerrigooney · 30-04-2016 02:07PM

If Sturridge came on after half an hour or at halftime maybe we would have had a better chance of scoring. But the other side of the coin is the shape and dynamic would have changed and maybe we would have lost by 2 or 3...who's to know?

Buford T. Justice XIX · 30-04-2016 02:12PM

Linked with Mateo Kovacic again today He's not in favour with Zidane and would like to link up with Klopp for E30m, same as he left Inter for. Spanish article though.

http://www.defensacentral.com/real_madrid/1461864765-el-liverpool-quiere-pescar-en-el-bernabeu

K-9 · 30-04-2016 02:14PM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Well he'll be starting tomorrow if anyday this weekend, I for one expect he'll get a run out though only 45 mins at most and I expect he will start on Thursday - any ambiguity about that game and how to approach it ended when Villarreal scored - it'll have to be attack for 90 mins. However if Origi was fit he'd be starting not Sturridge and that is the thing to remember in all this - the 21 year old is now Klopp's first choice striker. The only question for Sturridge is whether he'll be willing to be second choice for the big games? If not then he's gone.

Probably second choice for European away games which is fair enough. I really don't think he'd have been worse than Firmino though.

If Sturridge was getting little game time I'd worry more but he's played a fair bit in the PL since he came back, so I think some are reading too much into the games he didn't play.

The other big thing is Klopp is also listening to medical and training advice, they probably have some plan on how to manage him. Sturridge probably knows that too but he can't say anything in the press.

If we know he can only play 90 minutes a week in this schedule, if he plays 90 tomorrow, that means he can't play Thursday.

No point telling the Villareal manager that in a press interview lads.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 30-04-2016 02:17PM

K-9 wrote: »

Probably second choice for European away games which is fair enough. I really don't think he'd have been worse than Firmino though.

If Sturridge was getting little game time I'd worry more but he's played a fair bit in the PL since he came back, so I think some are reading too much into the games he didn't play.

The other big thing is Klopp is also listening to medical and training advice, they probably have some plan on how to manage him. Sturridge probably knows that too but he can't say anything in the press.

If we know he can only play 90 minutes a week in this schedule, if he plays 90 tomorrow, that means he can't play Thursday.

No point telling the Villareal manager that in a press interview lads.

I've linked an article on the Echo on Flanagan missing games while building up his base fitness and Klopp remarks it's a similar process to that undertaken by Sturridge.

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/liverpool-fc-boss-klopp-explains-11264217

K-9 · 30-04-2016 02:25PM

Kerrigooney wrote: »

If Sturridge came on after half an hour or at halftime maybe we would have had a better chance of scoring. But the other side of the coin is the shape and dynamic would have changed and maybe we would have lost by 2 or 3...who's to know?

Against a better chance of getting that valuable away goal.

30-04-2016 03:03PM

K-9 wrote: »

How is it very clear?

Ok I'll rephrase. It's very clear to me.

Turtyturd · 30-04-2016 03:17PM

K-9 wrote: »

Against a better chance of getting that valuable away goal.

Against a chance of being completely out of the tie. Away goals aren't the be all and end all, ask Dortmund. Would much rather still be this close than a few goals down with an away goal.

With the way the game set it up I don't think it was a game for Sturridge. Villareal defended well and he would have been restricted to his speculative pot shots, and not passing to his teammates for the most part.

K-9 · 30-04-2016 03:21PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Ok I'll rephrase. It's very clear to me.

How stupid of me to ask on a discussion board! Nah, fair enough.

K-9 · 30-04-2016 03:27PM

Turtyturd wrote: »

Against a chance of being completely out of the tie. Away goals aren't the be all and end all, ask Dortmund. Would much rather still be this close than a few goals down with an away goal.

With the way the game set it up I don't think it was a game for Sturridge. Villareal defended well and he would have been restricted to his speculative pot shots, and not passing to his teammates for the most part.

A second away goal in Dortmund would have made a big difference, we can't go on expecting to come back from 3 goal deficits!

Seriously though, I think Klopp was trying to keep it tight above all and that's fair enough, 0-0 I'd be very confident we'd do it even if they score. They look pretty decent defensively though, better than Dortmund anyway, though maybe that was no Origi or Sturridge.

I'd never dismiss away goals, look at Dortmund. If VR get one it will be a tough shout, 2 we need another miracle.

30-04-2016 03:30PM

Turtyturd wrote: »

With the way the game set it up I don't think it was a game for Sturridge. Villareal defended well and he would have been restricted to his speculative pot shots, and not passing to his teammates for the most part.

Or he could have made something from nothing which top strikers do occasionally.

Will VR not attempt to defend well on Thurs coming?
If so by your logic there's no point playing Sturridge.

Pyjamarama · 30-04-2016 06:49PM

People waffling about "serious doubts about Klopp if he doesn't start Struddige" and rubbish like that... If Klopp chooses not to start Danny then he has his reasons. I'll give the benefit of the doubt to the man who broke Bayerns dominance of the league over the opinion of Cpt. Hindsights any day of the weak. I remember people complaining when the team for the Dortmund away game was announced...

The manager will make some mistakes and some will costs us games points but ZERO questions or doubts should be asked/raised. The guy is a world class manager and I still can't believe that he's ours.

Milkers · 30-04-2016 07:22PM

Pyjamarama wrote: »

People waffling about "serious doubts about Klopp if he doesn't start Struddige" and rubbish like that... If Klopp chooses not to start Danny then he has his reasons. I'll give the benefit of the doubt to the man who broke Bayerns dominance of the league over the opinion of Cpt. Hindsights any day of the weak. I remember people complaining when the team for the Dortmund away game was announced...

The manager will make some mistakes and some will costs us games points but ZERO questions or doubts should be asked/raised. The guy is a world class manager and I still can't believe that he's ours.

Klopp is class but this is absolute nonsense.

K-9 · 30-04-2016 07:22PM

Did somebody say they'd have serious doubts, Jaysus. That's some hyperbole, even for this thread.

jcsoulinger · 30-04-2016 07:38PM

Klopp is a class manager but we can still question his decisions, In hindsight he got it wrong Thursday night, had we not conceded then his decisions would have been justified but we did and now we face a very difficult tie to progress, we will have to attack them from the off which will play into their hands as they are stronger on the counter and even if we do get the 2 goals that would see us through in normal time we are still vulnerable to a late goal knocking us out, its a mess to be honest

Pyjamarama · 30-04-2016 07:43PM

Milkers wrote: »

Klopp is class but this is absolute nonsense.

Not doubts about his decision and whether they were right or wrong. I'm taking about doubts over whether he's the right manager to lead us forward.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 30-04-2016 07:49PM

Joe Allen and Kolo make the EL team of the week.

http://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/news/newsid=2355985.html#uefa+coms+europa+league+team+week

Dub13 · 30-04-2016 08:04PM

Could I ask you all to go into this event and invite all Liverpool Fans you know to it in order to help get the word out about this great end of season get together for Irish Liverpool fans, and all for a great cause.

https://www.facebook.com/events/1729624730584311/

Kerrigooney · 30-04-2016 08:11PM

K-9 wrote: »

Did somebody say they'd have serious doubts, Jaysus. That's some hyperbole, even for this thread.

Bowlardo wrote: »

If sturridge starts today and not on Thursday then I would seriously doubt klopp. If sturridge is forced out of this club then we have serious problem. We have a high percentage of idiots even on here who are saying he should be sold. he is our one and only world class player.(coutinho is not world class yet)

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Harry Palmr · 30-04-2016 08:49PM

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Wow That was incredible!! Last game for me in Griffin Park... Will always be in my heart. Thanks for everything. What a year has been for me...
6:29 PM - 30 Apr 2016

read all about Canos here (they love him)

http://www.griffinpark.org/forums/showthread.php?t=118144&page=35

Agent Coulson · 30-04-2016 08:53PM

We are supposed to be in negotiations Ajax for one of there wingers I haven't watched the Eredivisie in years so no Idea what the standard is like these days.

True or not it's nice to be linked with real wingers again.

Turtyturd · 30-04-2016 08:59PM

Where's Assaidi these days?

Edit: Morocco, and almost doubled our money on him.

Kerrigooney · 30-04-2016 09:02PM

Turtyturd wrote: »

Where's Assaidi these days?

What's happened to Ilori? Did he get injured or?? I can't remember.

GotTheTshirt · 30-04-2016 09:18PM

Nice one Geordie fans, you'll never walk alone sang during the minutes applause before their game today, can't embed vid as on phone. Class.

Turtyturd · 30-04-2016 09:19PM

Kerrigooney wrote: »

What's happened to Ilori? Did he get injured or?? I can't remember.

Or Flanagan??

Quite a lot of disappearing players...maybe this is what's happening with Sturridge.

Harry Palmr · 30-04-2016 09:23PM

Agent Coulson wrote: »

We are supposed to be in negotiations Ajax for one of there wingers I haven't watched the Eredivisie in years so no Idea what the standard is like these days.

True or not it's nice to be linked with real wingers again.

Anwar El Ghazi is his name Dutch/Moroccan

Yarmalemko was linked a few days back.

Turtyturd wrote: »

Or Flanagan??

Quite a lot of disappearing players...maybe this is what's happening with Sturridge.

Flanno is being protected from himself apparently, needs to have his fitness maintained at a certain level or something.

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