Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours 2016, Mod Warning in OP, 10/7

Harry Palmr

FT 2-2 I'm raging!

Liverpool created more chances than they had any right to against the best team in the age group by a distance. Yet the Chelsea keeper Baxter had a worldie as is so often the way. Of course the other way you could look at it is that the finishing just wasn't quite sharp or accurate enough. In truth it's somewhere in the middle - behind the strikers Liverpool were frequently sublime with Adam Philips doing his best Xabi Alonso impression. He'll be in the U21s next season for sure and Ejaria too I'd say.

mav79

Do our scouts know what to look for in defenders at all!! Or are the coaches able to work with defenders at all. From u18's right up to the senior squad we seem to defend poorly as a team and are prone to conceding silly goals.

Turtyturd

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

And you know that for certain, do you?

Gave a quick spin to an alternate reality and saw that?

Well, how about this, then. If he allegedly wasn't on PEDs, he may have been too tired/slow to get back into defence a few times and when Liverpool won the ball in midfield, he was on hand to slot it into the net.

Three times!

Hat-trick hero!!

I like this alt-reality game, can we play some more?:pac:

Do one where Leeds are relevant.

Pyjamarama

quarryman wrote: »

But is that fair on other teams?

It would be different if Sakho was sitting on the bench or even a less influential player. But he has been outstanding over the last few months. His work rate has been phenomenal and has certainly made the difference in preventing conceding a goal in a few games. Who's to say if Liverpool would be at this point in the Europa League had he not been there. They wouldn't have had the goal he scored against Dortmund, for a start.

So other (clean) teams have lost out due to him (allegedly) cheating. Comparing it to another player taking cocaine is not like for like. Assuming he is found guilty then he intentionally used performance enhancing drugs that benefited him and the club. This line from the Guardian article sums it up :

including scoring a vital late drug-assisted equaliser against Borussia Dortmund. At the end of which Liverpool – who have acted commendably throughout all this – still have a decent chance of drug‑assisted silverware, and beyond that a drug‑assisted place in next season’s Champions League.

Note: This post will no doubt have some childish reply from TurtyTurd and possibly others. I'm posting it to continue the debate. Anyone who wants to reply without that intention then please don't bother.

Messi took HGH when he was developing. Every single Barca victory since then should be tainted regardless of the contributions of Xavi and ineista. Strip them of it all. Same goes for Maradonna too.

MD1990

Daniel Sturridge has admitted it is “hard to take” when he is left out or substituted by Jurgen Klopp as he wants to play every minute.

The striker was an unused substitute in Thursday’s Europa League defeat to Villarreal and has been in the starting line-up in just three of the last seven games.

After an injury-hit season the England forward is now fully fit and told the Mirror: “Maybe people don’t see this, but I am someone who wants to play every minute of every match, so maybe when I’m not starting or when I’m taken off, it’s hard to take.

“You want to be on the pitch every single match, every single minute.

“It’s exciting, of course, what the manager is bringing and where we are heading. I am doing everything in my power to be out there on the pitch, and I am feeling good as well.”

There are things I want to achieve with Liverpool. I would never say I am Liverpool until I die, because I would be lying.

“I think any player who says ‘oh yeah, this is the only team I will play for, for the rest of my life’, they are deluded. In football every team looks for replacements every single year.

“So for myself all I can do every weekend is go out there, perform as well as I can, perform to the best of my abilities, and then come the end of the season hopefully have the European Championships to look forward to…and to next year

For a player to say this who played with Carragher & Gerrard is strange imo.

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/liverpool-fc-striker-sturridge-being-11265575

MD1990

MD1990 wrote: »

For a player to say this who played with Carragher & Gerrard is strange imo.

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/liverpool-fc-striker-sturridge-being-11265575

How so? He's pointing out that saying it as a matter of fact is silly to say the least. It happens sometimes bit even in your examples Gerrard was close to leaving years ago. All it takes is a change of manager and everything can change overnight.

Rayne Wooney

Pyjamarama wrote: »

Messi took HGH when he was developing. Every single Barca victory since then should be tainted regardless of the contributions of Xavi and ineista. Strip them of it all. Same goes for Maradonna too.

HGH is approved for children with a growth hormone deficiency to be fair so it's pointless comparing illegal with legal. Sahko should be severely punished for sheer stupidity though

It's a can of worms, on one hand it's incredibly unfair to teams that go out of a tournament to a team with actual proven PED using player whether you believe the sport is riddled or not, I'm sure if the shoe was on the other foot you all would be angry, it without a doubt alters the course of a tournament. It also would be unfair to punish the club of the player if they didn't know but then ignorance isn't a great excuse either and maybe in house tests should forcibly conducted a lot more frequently as then clubs can't really deny not knowing if a player is on something when they are caught. Getting caught is a rare occurrence anyhow, there could be a hundred players in the PL on PEDs getting away with it every week with the help of a good doctor, Sahko is just a scapegoat stupid enough to get caught.

Daemonic

MD1990 wrote: »

For a player to say this who played with Carragher & Gerrard is strange imo.

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/liverpool-fc-striker-sturridge-being-11265575

He's just paraphrasing what Klopp has said. Whatever the length of the contract signed with the club, to him every player is contracted for a year and if they don't perform or fit his plans, good luck to ya.

HardenendMan

MD1990 wrote: »

For a player to say this who played with Carragher & Gerrard is strange imo.

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/liverpool-fc-striker-sturridge-being-11265575

That's unfair. Stevie and Carra were born and bred in Liverpool. We have to accept that other players don't have the connection of either growing up in the city or supporting them since childhood. Just imagine you were a pro playing for (random choice) Arsenal. If you weren't winning title after title, would you be 100% tied down to the club for your career, through thick and thin?

~Rebel~

HardenendMan wrote: »

That's unfair. Stevie and Carra were born and bred in Liverpool. We have to accept that other players don't have the connection of either growing up in the city or supporting them since childhood. Just imagine you were a pro playing for (random choice) Arsenal. If you weren't winning title after title, would you be 100% tied down to the club for your career, through thick and thin?

Indeed, I mean, how many of us are that loyal to our employers?

Charlie19

~Rebel~ wrote: »

Indeed, I mean, how many of us are that loyal to our employers?

It works both ways.

I was listening to Phil Thompson on Soccer Saturday and he's convinced the owners want rid of Sturridge. Mainly because of his high wages, especially when you take into consideration how many games he plays.

Thomo kept referring to the money ball strategy and how Sturridge doesn't suit the FSG model.

googled eyes

Said it the other day. Feel Kloop doesn't fancy Sturridge. He would be happy to move him on. Build the attack around Origi, Firmino and an other ( obviously Benteke is a non runner)

Danny seems to be fit and is scoring so no reason not to play him l, unless the manager doesn't fancy him.

marklazarcovic

He is 100% right sturridge..but for somone so injury prone he should have followed it up with ..

"Obviously with my injury record the staff feel this is the best way to proceed with me,and hey it seems to be working"


Hate when players are so blinded by their own wants

Boom_Bap

I read quotes from Klopp about not playing Sturridge the other night and it was a tactical one.
The team was shifting between 3 formations, a thing which Klopp has done before during a match with the players that were on the pitch. Sturridge has never played with them while they are doing that so Klopp was worried that might upset the balance of the formation.
The other comments I read from Klopp on Sturridge is that he thinks he is amazing. But needs to be slowly brought back from injury. I have no reason to doubt that as Klopp doesn't f*ck about with what he says.

mosstin

Managers live or die by their decisions. It's HT in the tie. If we get to the final, not a soul will remember that Sturridge didn't play in the first leg.

Agent Coulson

We are being linked with Timo Horn again today.

Boom_Bap

Boom_Bap wrote: »

I read quotes from Klopp about not playing Sturridge the other night and it was a tactical one.
The team was shifting between 3 formations, a thing which Klopp has done before during a match with the players that were on the pitch. Sturridge has never played with them while they are doing that so Klopp was worried that might upset the balance of the formation.
The other comments I read from Klopp on Sturridge is that he thinks he is amazing. But needs to be slowly brought back from injury. I have no reason to doubt that as Klopp doesn't f*ck about with what he says.

I doubt what he says about Sturridge. I think it's very clear there is an issue between them. I hope they sort it out and Sturridge is on board next season but if Klopp wants something different then I'll have to accept that. I'd really loathe to lose a player of that quality though.

Buford T. Justice XIX

Turtyturd wrote: »

Do one where Leeds are relevant.

Ah, come on!

It's alt-reality not fantasy, ffs.:p

Kerrigooney

googled eyes wrote: »

Said it the other day. Feel Kloop doesn't fancy Sturridge. He would be happy to move him on. Build the attack around Origi, Firmino and an other ( obviously Benteke is a non runner)

Danny seems to be fit and is scoring so no reason not to play him l, unless the manager doesn't fancy him.

Klopp is more about the team than the individual. Sturridge is a great goal scorer but isn't the best at the pressing and tracking back side of things. Firmino is having a bad run atm but always works hard. Same can be said for Coutinho,Lalanna and Origi. Benteke doesn't like the pressing side of things either and he's not getting a lot of game time...I don't think it's a coincidence.

quarryman

Turtyturd wrote: »

Do one where Leeds are relevant.

Why?

General consensus seems to be that Firminio works very hard. I'd like to see some evidence of that over the last couple of months. He was awful against Villareal and left his team mates hanging by not closing down space they pushed on to him. Sturridge has been pressing and working harder than Firminio recently.

I wouldn't let Firminio near the starting 11 on Thursday night. I'd have Milner, Coutinho and Lallana play behind Sturridge.

Kerrigooney

Deleted User wrote: »

General consensus seems to be that Firminio works very hard. I'd like to see some evidence of that over the last couple of months. He was awful against Villareal and left his team mates hanging by not closing down space they pushed on to him. Sturridge has been pressing and working harder than Firminio recently.

I wouldn't let Firminio near the starting 11 on Thursday night. I'd have Milner, Coutinho and Lallana play behind Sturridge.

Lalanna has had a few good games recently but was absolute gash last Thursday.

I'd imagine unless Sturridge is injured he'll definitely start on Thursday. If he doesn't then we'll know there's a problem between himself and Klopp.

Kerrigooney

quarryman wrote: »

Why?

Because it's the only way they will be relevant any time soon.

Bowlardo

Kerrigooney wrote: »

Klopp is more about the team than the individual. Sturridge is a great goal scorer but isn't the best at the pressing and tracking back side of things. Firmino is having a bad run atm but always works hard. Same can be said for Coutinho,Lalanna and Origi. Benteke doesn't like the pressing side of things either and he's not getting a lot of game time...I don't think it's a coincidence.

I think your right that there is something up. I hope it is just klopp trying to motivate him. It is very very worrying if klopp doesn't think sturridge should be started based on the pool of player he has too choose from.

I'm noticing a growing trend from football pundits and the likes were forwards tracking back is heralded as Amazing. A strikers job it to score goals!

We played 90 minute of football the other night and did not looks like scoring. Natural instinctive goal scorers are like hens teeth. players that Press and track are plentiful. (lalnna run all day and can't score for ****e!)

If sturridge starts today and not on Thursday then I would seriously doubt klopp. If sturridge is forced out of this club then we have serious problem. We have a high percentage of idiots even on here who are saying he should be sold. he is our one and only world class player.(coutinho is not world class yet)

Nalz

martingriff wrote: »

Add your reply here.

No but might play saturday when liverpool are playing swansea

You lying little brat!

Harry Palmr

Bowlardo wrote: »

If sturridge starts today and not on Thursday then I would seriously doubt klopp. If sturridge is forced out of this club then we have serious problem. We have a high percentage of idiots even on here who are saying he should be sold. he is our one and only world class player.(coutinho is not world class yet)

Well he'll be starting tomorrow if anyday this weekend, I for one expect he'll get a run out though only 45 mins at most and I expect he will start on Thursday - any ambiguity about that game and how to approach it ended when Villarreal scored - it'll have to be attack for 90 mins. However if Origi was fit he'd be starting not Sturridge and that is the thing to remember in all this - the 21 year old is now Klopp's first choice striker. The only question for Sturridge is whether he'll be willing to be second choice for the big games? If not then he's gone.

Milkers

For me this Sturridge thing is a bit crazy. I understand that at times players have to play certain roles, carry out specific functions within a system etc. but at some point the quality of a player counterbalances that. I think Sturridge is easily the level of player that if anything you should be slightly tweaking a system to accommodate him. Maybe it's his demeanour or the injury absences but even after all the amazing goals and performances he has put in since arriving at Liverpool he is still underrated by a large section of fans. And now seemingly by Klopp also. (or maybe I overrate him? :pac:)

As for Firmino, I'm obviously not alone in being very critical of him lately. Does that mean I don't think he could be great? No actually I like him a lot, I think he has incredible potential and has shown flashes of genius at times. But overall his performances have not been that good. I think Klopp overrates him massively at the moment.

As for Klopp himself of course there's noone I would want more as Liverpool manager. This is an incredibly exciting time to be a fan of the club. But like a player can he have a bad game? Yes and I think he had a poor one on Thursday (and I don't mean because we lost, that last minute goal was not Klopp's fault!). Leaving Sturridge out of the starting lineup was a mistake imo (see above) but in fairness a very debatable one. But when Coutinho went off he brought on Ibe which meant for 45 minutes we played with Ibe, Lallana and Firmino instead of Firmino, Lallana and Sturridge. I'm pretty sure which trio Villareal would much rather have faced! That was just a blatant error.

Btw Nuka, I don't have any coaching badges this is all just my opinion!

For the TL;DR crowd: Liverpool's winrate when Sturridge plays: 58%. When he's fit, just fking play him!

corwill

Milkers wrote: »

For me this Sturridge thing is a bit crazy. I understand that at times players have to play certain roles, carry out specific functions within a system etc. but at some point the quality of a player counterbalances that. I think Sturridge is easily the level of player that if anything you should be slightly tweaking a system to accommodate him. Maybe it's his demeanour or the injury absences but even after all the amazing goals and performances he has put in since arriving at Liverpool he is still underrated by a large section of fans. And now seemingly by Klopp also. (or maybe I overrate him? :pac:)

As for Firmino, I'm obviously not alone in being very critical of him lately. Does that mean I don't think he could be great? No actually I like him a lot, I think he has incredible potential and has shown flashes of genius at times. But overall his performances have not been that good. I think Klopp overrates him massively at the moment.

As for Klopp himself of course there's noone I would want more as Liverpool manager. This is an incredibly exciting time to be a fan of the club. But like a player can he have a bad game? Yes and I think he had a poor one on Thursday (and I don't mean because we lost, that last minute goal was not Klopp's fault!). Leaving Sturridge out of the starting lineup was a mistake imo (see above) but in fairness a very debatable one. But when Coutinho went off he brought on Ibe which meant for 45 minutes we played with Ibe, Lallana and Firmino instead of Firmino, Lallana and Sturridge. I'm pretty sure which trio Villareal would much rather have faced! That was just a blatant error.

Btw Nuka, I don't have any coaching badges this is all just my opinion!

For the TL;DR crowd: Liverpool's winrate when Sturridge plays: 58%. When he's fit, just fking play him!

Needs more pivot.

NukaCola

I dont disagree with people being annoyed that Sturridge didn't play. But some people think that just because Sturridge didn't play thats the reason we didn't get a result or that it was definitely a mistake. I dont agree. People are saying he would make the difference but Sturridge started 4 EL games and scored 1 goal.

Sturridge is phenomenal, I wont deny it, many might but I wont......if it was me I'd have started him no question....I'd work my tactics around him absolutely.....but I 100% understand why he wasn't used.

2 legged European ties are very different, its not always a matter of playing your normal game and best players. Its an away tie to a team who will kill an open team, and we like to play open football when Sturridge plays and is at his best......Klopp wanted to minimise their attack and play defensive......so what your asking Sturridge to do then is what Origi does and what Firmino does.......concentrate on closing down, minimise options, press and come deeper.....thats just not his game and doesn't get the best out of him.....

You could argue we should have went for it, but we could end up being caught out by their counter which was hard enough to contain even being defence minded. Personally I think when it looked like we had control in that second half we should have been a bit braver and brought Sturridge on. He brought Ibe on to double up on defensive duties and exploit the space given out wide but after about 10 mins of him shouting instructions at Ibe i reckon he knew he made a mistake in bringing him on.

For me it was clear though, keep them at 0-0 but try to nick an away goal, and it almost worked.

NukaCola

Milkers wrote: »

Btw Nuka, I don't have any coaching badges this is all just my opinion!

Badges or GTFO! :pac:

I have no problem with opinions, i was also just kidding but!....i will say that some posters argument was we'd win with Sturridge on the pitch with no real debate on why, just because.