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Climate Change.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,766 ✭✭✭Bongalongherb


    Advertised on WorldNetDaily...a real bastion of science there! :pac:

    That's just one site, there are loads of sites just talking about the release that's all. Sure it's not even out yet. Will see what real information it has when I see it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,544 ✭✭✭Samaris


    Thing is though, who cares about all the people that -didn't- die because measures were put in place? Who hears about the terrorist attack that was stopped before it happened? The disease that didn't break out?

    Okay, the media does blow things up, always have, always will, especially if they get a good tagline out of it. Ozone layer - the world was alerted to it, CFCs were banned and a few other things put in place and the ozone hole has started healing, a real success story.

    AIDS - once that became a danger that affected straight people as well, you can bet your ass a lot more money was poured into it. Now, one COULD say that well, people profiteer off it and I'm sure they do, but many lives have been saved.

    Oil runs out - aha, this is an interesting one! I was looking at the chart of world oil production and indeed it follows a general bell curve, reaching a low in the early 2000s...and then picking up again? But why, if oil was running out. Bah, must be they were all lying and scaremongering amirite? Actually, it's because new technology was developed to make the extraction of oil from previously uneconomically viable regions, primarily shale oils ("fracking"), For better or for worse, whichever way you like to look at it, there's a new oil boom.

    Sea level rise - has been happening, is still happening. I don't know where you got your 2 meters from, unless you're calculating from very old estimations or else going for a uniform rise, which isn't the predominant theory. Again, I shall point to the unfortunate island nations of Tuvalu and Kiribati.

    ph rise/acidification - Have you seen the great coral reef of Australia recently? It's not looking overly healthy in places.

    Desertification in Africa - Sahara and Sahel expansion still going. Quite rapidly, last I looked at the data.

    Famine - Well, I'd suggest you talk to the dead people, but being as what they're dead, you can't. Although, being fair, famine is generally more of a supply issue, not a growth issue. We DO produce enough food. It just doesn't get everywhere evenly. Overall though, I'm not going into that one too much as famine is a complex phenomenon with many different partial causes.

    Overfishing - someone has already pointed out that cod has gone from the cheapest fish to fairly expensive.

    2012 - Er, well, it happened? Not sure what you want anyone to say on that, unless this is the Mayan Calendar rot which isn't and never was remotely scientific! If you're talking about the movie, god, don't, it was the biggest load of pseudoscientific bollocks made since Mars Attacks!. Seriously, that movie. Mayan Calendar, THE NEUTRINOS ARE EVOLVING -and- some sort of nutty planetary alignment that isn't physically possible but whatever. Lots of things were blown up and the dog survived, so we're all happy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,787 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    Samaris wrote: »
    Oil runs out - aha, this is an interesting one! I was looking at the chart of world oil production and indeed it follows a general bell curve, reaching a low in the early 2000s...and then picking up again? But why, if oil was running out. Bah, must be they were all lying and scaremongering amirite? Actually, it's because new technology was developed to make the extraction of oil from previously uneconomically viable regions, primarily shale oils ("fracking"), For better or for worse, whichever way you like to look at it, there's a new oil boom.
    Oil probably won't "run out" for a long time yet, it's just going to get more and more expensive. Fracking could end up getting more expensive if lobby groups put more pressure on them. If we come up with alternative energy supplies fracking may just become more trouble than it's worth.

    The bottom line is climate does change, it has changed multiple times in the past and there's no reason at all to assume that it's going to become fixed now. Climate change has been instrumental in many phases of human evolution and cultural development. When climate changes human society changes. So climate change is coming, no matter what we do.

    However we also can't assume we have zero effect on the climate. But I guess the real bottom line is we won't have to deal with the fallout so we're not going to do anything about it. It's going to be the next generation's problem, they won't be able to do much about it at that point and will just have to live with that fallout. I don't think it's going to be a doomsday scenario but it may very well shift power around the globe by making current farmland less productive, bring water to desserts. Europe currently has very productive farmland, so we're the ones with a lot to lose.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,766 ✭✭✭Bongalongherb


    Nobody is saying that climate change doesn't exist, the climate has been changing all on its own for millions of years naturally as it does, and will continue to no matter what anyone does. You can never stop its natural climate change cycle.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,419 ✭✭✭ToddyDoody


    If you're not happy about the weather you can contact the Met Eireann complaints department.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,069 ✭✭✭✭LordSutch


    Climate change = a changing climate, nothing unusual about that seeing as it's been happening since the beginning of time, and will continue to happen...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,541 ✭✭✭✭Thargor


    List of stuff that's already supposed of happened or killed us.

    Oil runs out. supposed to be 50 year left in the 60-70s
    Acid Rain.
    Ozone layer. Loads of money spent, Then realised it was a natural phenomenon at the poles.
    All the while sea level rising, My estimations on the reporting of various times we should be under 2 meters of ocean by now.
    C02 emission, And Ph change in oceans.
    Amazon cut down we all suffocate.
    Desertification In Africa, Famines. They all should be dead by now.
    Oceans fished to extinction, Should of happened by now.
    Famines everywhere due to food production not keeping up.
    Fresh water runs out.
    2012
    Solar flairs.


    Anyone think of anything else ?
    Hmmm how much lies and stupidity can you fit in one post?

    "Ozone layer. Loads of money spent, Then realised it was a natural phenomenon at the poles." Oh really? Thats not how I remember the ozone/CFC crisis, pretty sure all those laws banning them are still on the books. Maybe you could post some papers that agree with your conclusion that ozone depletion was a natural phenomenon all along?

    Yeah, dump so much CO2 into the atmosphere that it changes the pH of the ocean, overfishing? What'll them liberals come out with next? The oceans and the rainforests are grand sure, how can there be global warming and temperature records being smashed every year when there were hailstones in Buncranna the other day dont you know?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,222 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    Thargor wrote: »
    Hmmm how much lies and stupidity can you fit in one post?

    It depends, how much is some "dark money"-backed libertarian think tank willing to pay? :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,766 ✭✭✭Bongalongherb


    Thargor wrote: »
    Hmmm how much lies and stupidity can you fit in one post?

    "Ozone layer. Loads of money spent, Then realised it was a natural phenomenon at the poles." Oh really? Thats not how I remember the ozone/CFC crisis, pretty sure all those laws banning them are still on the books. Maybe you could post some papers that agree with your conclusion that ozone depletion was a natural phenomenon all along?

    Yeah, dump so much CO2 into the atmosphere that it changes the pH of the ocean, overfishing? What'll them liberals come out with next? The oceans and the rainforests are grand sure, how can there be global warming and temperature records being smashed every year when there were hailstones in Buncranna the other day dont you know?

    Hail-stones or snow in april is nothing unusual for Ireland, sure back in the past it snowed in may, there is nothing unusual about any of this.
    January and February are the months in which snow is most frequent but it’s not uncommon to have snow in any of the months November to April. Snow has been reported in May and September. On some of these occasions the falls have been considerable but the snow melted quickly.

    http://www.met.ie/climate-ireland/snowfallanal.pdf


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,642 ✭✭✭MRnotlob606


    Christopher Monckton is self indulgent pompous idiot. I don't like him.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,541 ✭✭✭✭Thargor


    Hail-stones or snow in april is nothing unusual for Ireland, sure back in the past it snowed in may, there is nothing unusual about any of this.



    http://www.met.ie/climate-ireland/snowfallanal.pdf
    Check your sarcasm detector...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,766 ✭✭✭Bongalongherb


    Thargor wrote: »
    Check your sarcasm detector...

    I'm not being sarcastic at all. Strangely enough the Met says there will be snow tonight in north Leinster and it's almost may.

    Showers will continue tonight and will be wintry in places, with a risk of some snow over Ulster and north-Leinster. Clear spells also with lowest temperatures of zero to plus 2 degrees and a slight frost.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,540 ✭✭✭Special Circumstances



    Snow fall WHAT now?
    Is that link safe for work?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,541 ✭✭✭✭Thargor


    I'm not being sarcastic at all. Strangely enough the Met says there will be snow tonight in north Leinster and it's almost may.

    Showers will continue tonight and will be wintry in places, with a risk of some snow over Ulster and north-Leinster. Clear spells also with lowest temperatures of zero to plus 2 degrees and a slight frost.
    Are you just pretending not to understand? It was sarcasm, I was being sarcastic, can you not read the rest of the post? Im well aware that it sometimes snows and hails in April, did you think I was actually claiming temperature records werent being broken because there are hailstones in April sometimes?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,069 ✭✭✭✭LordSutch


    Planet Earth's climate has never been static.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    Even look at Miami, they are investing millions in raising some roads and land there as the sea level is noticeably rising.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 240 ✭✭1st dalkey dalkey


    Been a while since I had a bark at this issue and this appears to be the most recent thread on it here.

    What ever your ideas on why, the climate is clearly changing. And, yes, it has changed many times in the past.

    But that has little to say about how we should prepare and what the likely effects are going to be.

    One recent article suggested that Arctic warming will see an ice free pole within ten years leading to a breakdown of the 'streams' i.e. the Jet Stream and the Gulf Stream, with enormous consequences for the entire planet but especially the Northern Hemisphere.
    Most of the worlds grain growing regions are in the Northern Hemisphere, US, Canada, Ukraine, Russia and China. That article suggested that they will be first effected by Jet Stream breakdown leading to worldwide food shortages and eventual societal collapse.

    Scary stuff. And it starts in just 10 years, not in 2100 when most of us are gone.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,640 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Great article by Colm McCarthy in today's Sunday Independent. It explain the economics of climate change and whay targets fail compared to taxes. it also explains the issue with coal power stations.

    https://www.independent.ie/opinion/comment/colm-mccarthy-will-2019-be-the-turning-point-on-climate-38763586.html

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 320 ✭✭Midster


    We all know full well by now that there is a climate change problem, and if it be natural or otherwise we are making it worse.
    Reducing our pollution output seems to be the main goal now of almost every country on the planet.
    But what if we consider for a second that if by some miracle the whole world stopped all air pollution tomorrow.
    Would that automatically, and instantly make the world cooler?

    If you are taking a second to think about it I can tell you the answer is no, not in the slightest.

    So what if you could remove the pollution from the air itself, what if there was some kind of filter that existed that could trap greenhouse gasses, and particles and therefore remove the pollution that’s already airborne.

    Well believe it or not the filter at least does exist. I’ve no idea what machine they are thinking of putting it in (probably air conditioning units) but they aren’t using it yet.

    I say take it a step further, why not build giant hoover type machines that reach high into the sky, and suck in dirty air, and blow out dirty air at such a fast rate we can reverse our man made changes to the atmosphere completely.

    Build millions of these things and place them in strategic places across the globe and we could make this whole situation just go away.

    And return the earth to a more easily recognisable place.

    This machine is only an idea of mine, it would need building small scale and testing, it would also need a good nod from recognized experts, but if it worked, and worked well.

    Well.....

    What do you guys and girls think, any thoughts?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,564 ✭✭✭Sweetemotion


    Midster wrote: »

    What do you guys and girls think, any thoughts?



    Coke is a hell of drug.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,694 ✭✭✭Celticfire


    Lyle Lanley : The name's Lanley. Lyle Lanley. And I come before you good people tonight with an idea. Probably the greatest... Aw, it's not for you. It's more of a Shelbyville idea.

    Mayor Quimby: Now wait just a minute! We're twice as smart as the people of Shelbyville! Just tell us your idea and we'll vote for it!

    Lyle Lanley: All right, I tell you what I'll do. I'll show you my idea! I give you the Springfield CO2 Hoover [audience gasps] I've sold Hoovers to Brockway, Ogdenville, and North Haverbrook, and by gum, it put them on the map!
    :pac:


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