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Children's hospital finally gets the go-ahead

  • 28-04-2016 09:44AM
    #1
    bear1
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    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/health/a-watershed-day-goahead-given-for-irelands-new-childrens-hospital-34667361.html

    After years of this saga, it has been finally given the green light today for work to start this summer.
    Thing that I don't get is why that location? Parking should be interesting...
    Right next to the Luas so you're fecked if there is a strike and the traffic around that place is a bloody nightmare.
    Wouldn't it have made more sense to place it closer to the M50? I wonder if the ambulances will be able to use the Luas tracks in an emergency?
    I'll be amazed if it's finished on time and on budget considering they have debating this for the past 15 years :rolleyes:


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  • #2
    smash
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    It's an absolutely ridiculous location for a children's hospital. Bad access, awful traffic, no parking, surrounded by 1 way streets...


  • #3
    kneemos
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    Hey look...another colossal **** up.


  • #4
    SEPT 23 1989
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,038 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    smash wrote: »
    It's an absolutely ridiculous location for a children's hospital. Bad access, awful traffic, no parking, surrounded by 1 way streets...

    the vested interests know better


  • #5
    Podge_irl
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    Extremely near the main train station into Dublin, serviced by regular city public transport, co-located with a large university hospital.

    Glad to know we all know better though.


  • #6
    Fratton Fred
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    What a nightmare of a location to get to, for pretty much 99% of the population.

    A brand-new hospital around city west would have made a lot more sense.


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  • #7
    bear1
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    kneemos wrote: »
    Hey look...another colossal **** up.

    If only you could get used to it. 650 million Euro on a hospital in the most ridiculous location possible.


  • #8
    fatknacker
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    I wish they'd call it something nice for the kids, like the Starship hospital in New Zealand.
    Instead of something dreary and dour like St. Drab of the smelly catholic such and such.


  • #9
    bear1
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    Podge_irl wrote: »
    Extremely near the main train station into Dublin, serviced by regular city public transport, co-located with a large university hospital.

    Glad to know we all know better though.

    If the Luas strikes then that's one part of the public transport gone.
    If you want to go by car you will need to leave at 3am to get a spot.
    It's a stupid location. Glad to know we all are wrong though huh..


  • #10
    khamilto
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    smash wrote: »
    It's an absolutely ridiculous location for a children's hospital. Bad access, awful traffic, no parking, surrounded by 1 way streets...

    It has 400% of the parking spaces Crumlin Hospital currently has (and 200% of the proposed Mater site), is located a couple of hundred meters away from a dual carriageway+24hr bus lane, SCR and the canal roads as well as the Luas, the main train station for most of the routes in Ireland and several high frequency bus routes.

    The only 1 way street that 'surrounds it' is a short access road called Brookfield Road and traffic is bad everywhere in Dublin (including the m50, which is stop start every morning and evening now).

    Beyond that, one of the criteria was to colocate it with a major university teaching hospital (which is considered internationally as best practice) which limited the options to the Mater, St Vincents or St James. Of those three, St James was the clear and obvious winner.

    The NCH being built on the mythical greenfields site somewhere outside the M50 would result in worse care for sick children, and worse outcomes.

    My apologies if spending that extra 20mins at 10am to get to your appointment is more important than the standard of care provided. I'm sure the children affected by it will understand that your minor inconvenience trumps their chances of survival and recovery.


  • #11
    Allinall
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    How do people currently get to Jamses?


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  • #12
    LeinsterDub
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    bear1 wrote: »
    If the Luas strikes then that's one part of the public transport gone.

    If me aunt had balls ...


  • #13
    [Deleted User]
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    How come ever thing is so complicated and take so long to do in our society.


  • #14
    bear1
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    LeinsterDub wrote: »
    If me aunt had balls ...

    She'd be your uncle....


  • #15
    SEPT 23 1989
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    fatknacker wrote: »
    I wish they'd call it something nice for the kids, like the Starship hospital in New Zealand.
    Instead of something dreary and dour like St. Drab of the smelly catholic such and such.

    I would have offered the naming rights to Disney or Pixar in exchange for them visually turning the hospital into a kids paradise to take their minds off their illness


  • #16
    bear1
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    khamilto wrote: »
    It has 400% of the parking spaces Crumlin Hospital currently has (and 200% of the proposed Mater site), is located a couple of hundred meters away from a dual carriageway+24hr bus lane, SCR and the canal roads. The only 1 way street that 'surrounds it' is a short access road called Brookfield Road and traffic is bad everywhere in Dublin (including the m50, which is stop start every morning and evening now).

    Beyond that, one of the criteria was to colocate it with a major university teaching hospital (which is considered internationally as best practice) which limited the options to the Mater, St Vincents or St James. Of those three, St James was the clear and obvious winner.

    The NCH being built on the mythical greenfields site somewhere outside the M50 would result in worse care for sick children, and worse outcomes.

    My apologies if spending that extra 20mins at 10am to get to your appointment is more important than the standard of care provided. I'm sure the children affected it will understand that your minor inconvenience trumps their chances of survival and recovery.

    ABP?


  • #17
    For Forks Sake
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    Podge_irl wrote: »
    Extremely near the main train station into Dublin, serviced by regular city public transport, co-located with a large university hospital.

    Glad to know we all know better though.

    I'm sure that will be of great consolation to parents of sick children traveling from Donegal, or Cavan or Monaghan as they get up at some ungodly hour of the morning to catch the non-existent train.


  • #18
    LeinsterDub
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    bear1 wrote: »
    She'd be your uncle....

    Exactly. This is the first strike in over 10 years of running . I'm not sure we should be factoring it in to plan for where to base a hospital.


    And as has been pointed out neither of 2 the other locations have access to the LUAS at all


  • #19
    Carlos Orange
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    bear1 wrote: »
    Right next to the Luas so you're fecked if there is a strike and the traffic around that place is a bloody nightmare.

    Granted now isn't the best timing but it would seem nuts to create a new hospital in Dublin that wasn't within spitting distance of the Luas.


  • #20
    bear1
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    LeinsterDub wrote: »
    Exactly. This is the first strike in over 10 years of running . I'm not sure we should be factoring it in to plan for where to base a hospital.


    And as has been pointed out neither of 2 the other locations have access to the LUAS at all

    First strike ok, but look at how long it has dragged on? So it's fair to assume it won't be too long until they decide for another strike.


  • #21
    khamilto
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    For Forks Sake wrote: »
    I'm sure that will be of great consolation to parents of sick children traveling from Donegal, or Cavan or Monaghan as they get up at some ungodly hour of the morning to catch the non-existent train.

    Which is different from the current situation in Crumlin because.....
    Which is different from if the NCH was built in Connolly because.....

    Oh right ya.


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  • #22
    Little CuChulainn
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    It's such a crock of ****. Why are all the important hospitals being put in the city centre? We don't have a good enough public transport system and the parking provided at these places is abysmal and extortionate.


  • #23
    Allinall
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    For Forks Sake wrote: »
    I'm sure that will be of great consolation to parents of sick children traveling from Donegal, or Cavan or Monaghan as they get up at some ungodly hour of the morning to catch the non-existent train.

    How do they currently get to Crumlin- a stones throw from James'?


  • #24
    LeinsterDub
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    bear1 wrote: »
    First strike ok, but look at how long it has dragged on? So it's fair to assume it won't be too long until they decide for another strike.

    Let's assume they'll not go on strike forever and the Luas will still be running in the 100 years maybe with the odd disruption


  • #25
    Dodge
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    James is a great hospital. Huge multi storey car park. Buses that literally go through the hospital grounds. Luas too (with connections from Connolly, Heuston and the Red Cow (car passengers from the n7 will be delighted)

    There isn't a perfect location that will suit everybody but this is as good as it gets.


  • #26
    smash
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    khamilto wrote: »
    My apologies if spending that extra 20mins at 10am to get to your appointment is more important than the standard of care provided. I'm sure the children affected by it will understand that your minor inconvenience trumps their chances of survival and recovery.

    To be perfectly blunt, this if frankly one of the dumbest comments I've ever read and instead of discrediting my post, it discredits your post even more. To try and suggest that someone would place their daily commute over a child's health and survival rate is nothing more than obnoxious and sickening.


  • #27
    bear1
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    smash wrote: »
    To be perfectly blunt, this if frankly one of the dumbest comments I've ever read and instead of discrediting my post, it discredits your post even more. To try and suggest that someone would place their daily commute over a child's health and survival rate is nothing more than obnoxious and sickening.

    When someone posts something like that it's best to just roll your eyes and move on.


  • #28
    otwb1
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    Podge_irl wrote:
    Extremely near the main train station into Dublin, serviced by regular city public transport, co-located with a large university hospital.


    ..which is fantastic for a routine appointment, but none of which is helpful for an immunocompromised/dying child or out off hours emergency.


  • #29
    Uriel.
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    bear1 wrote: »
    ABP?

    Why not refute some of the points put across by the poster instead of coming back with childish stupidity like that - granted this is AH and all - but it seems you ran out of steam very quickly re your arguments against "the establishment"


  • #30
    bear1
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    Uriel. wrote: »
    Why not refute some of the points put across by the poster instead of coming back with childish stupidity like that - granted this is AH and all - but it seems you ran out of steam very quickly re your arguments against "the establishment"

    Eh? He sounded like he was from ABP, don't care whether you think it's childish or not.
    I already said what I thought of the idea, should I paint them for you so you might actually understand?
    And what, pray tell are you arguments other than posting rubbish?


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  • #31
    Polo_Mint
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    khamilto wrote: »
    It has 400% of the parking spaces Crumlin Hospital currently has (and 200% of the proposed Mater site), is located a couple of hundred meters away from a dual carriageway+24hr bus lane, SCR and the canal roads as well as the Luas, the main train station for most of the routes in Ireland and several high frequency bus routes.

    The only 1 way street that 'surrounds it' is a short access road called Brookfield Road and traffic is bad everywhere in Dublin (including the m50, which is stop start every morning and evening now).

    Beyond that, one of the criteria was to colocate it with a major university teaching hospital (which is considered internationally as best practice) which limited the options to the Mater, St Vincents or St James. Of those three, St James was the clear and obvious winner.

    The NCH being built on the mythical greenfields site somewhere outside the M50 would result in worse care for sick children, and worse outcomes.

    My apologies if spending that extra 20mins at 10am to get to your appointment is more important than the standard of care provided. I'm sure the children affected by it will understand that your minor inconvenience trumps their chances of survival and recovery.

    I think this might be an issue
    They are planning on putting approximately 984 parking spaces in the underground car park.

    However, as they plan on building the Children’s hospital on an existing surface car park, they will lose almost 600 surface spaces leaving them with a net gain of only 420 spaces.

    This gives you a final cost of over €138,000 for each of the 420 car parking spaces! It is accepted that the children’s hospital will have to cope with 10,000 arrivals and departures every day.

    An additional 3,500 staff will work at the children’s hospital. If the essential maternity hospital is ever built, St James’s have indicated that, in keeping with Dublin city council regulations, there cannot and will not be any additional parking provided for those attending or working in that facility.


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