Season 6 Episode 1 The Red Woman thread "Book readers"

FixitFelix · 25-04-2016 10:02PM

joe123 wrote: »

Anyone know what Davos was looking at when they moved Jon Snows body? He stood and stared at the shape of the blood? Or am I going mad?

I thought the blood looked like ashes,maybe just the way i saw it

aligator_am · 25-04-2016 10:04PM

Watched it again and am wondering what the story with Dorne is, the way the guards didn't react makes me think that the Dornish people are wanting all out war with the Lannisters? I think most of the other kingdoms are still in bits after the war of the 5 kings but Dorne is ready to roll and are out for blood (I could be way off on this one).

Somebody else mentioned that the burning of the ships could be a good setup for the iron fleet to offer their services in ferrying Danny and Co. to Westeros, I'd say that's a good theory.

I'm puzzled about how the sand snakes got on the ship, we last saw them standing on the dock / peer in Dorne watching the ship sail away at the end of last season and then somehow they teleport on to the ship from probably hundreds of miles away?

Overall I enjoyed the episode though, besides a few niggles I think it's setup some interesting stuff for the season ahead.

aligator_am · 25-04-2016 10:09PM

nibtrix wrote: »

While I have no idea whether Tystane was in Dorne or Kings Landing, the ravens thing is actually workable. Jaime and Myrcella were sent home in a Dornish ship, which would have carried ravens which homed to Dorne (you can't just tell a bird where to take a letter, they only fly to their home coop). So someone on the ship could have sent a raven to Doran as soon as Myrcella died, but Jaime wouldn't have had a Kings Landing raven available to send a message to Cersei. Plus you wouldn't really send a message like that when you were on your way to see that person anyway, I would assume!

Probably analysing that way too much and the writers just did what was convenient!

If you watch it again you see the same castle and cliffs / rocks jutting out when the rowboat is bringing Myrcella's body in and the ship is in the background, it must be King's Landing.

I'm starting to think the sand snakes may have a submarine, or possibly jet skis?

rawn · 25-04-2016 10:33PM

aligator_am wrote: »

Watched it again and am wondering what the story with Dorne is, the way the guards didn't react makes me think that the Dornish people are wanting all out war with the Lannisters? I think most of the other kingdoms are still in bits after the war of the 5 kings but Dorne is ready to roll and are out for blood (I could be way off on this one).

Somebody else mentioned that the burning of the ships could be a good setup for the iron fleet to offer their services in ferrying Danny and Co. to Westeros, I'd say that's a good theory.

I'm puzzled about how the sand snakes got on the ship, we last saw them standing on the dock / peer in Dorne watching the ship sail away at the end of last season and then somehow they teleport on to the ship from probably hundreds of miles away?

Overall I enjoyed the episode though, besides a few niggles I think it's setup some interesting stuff for the season ahead.

I assumed a boat went out to collect Trystane from Jamie's boat, and that he was on the way back to Dorne?

Dial Hard · 25-04-2016 10:34PM

Mr.Prodston wrote:

Oh I forgot to mention earlier but Alfie Allen is as strong as Theon/Reek as ever. Very good actor.

Oh no. Nononononononono. He's atrocious.

RobbingBandit · 25-04-2016 10:36PM

I would bet the note Doran was reading was from Elleria rather than Jamie as she seemed to know and was poised to strike as the prince finished reading. I hope that is it for Dorne as way too much time was spent there last season.

aligator_am · 25-04-2016 10:43PM

RobbingBandit wrote: »

I would bet the note Doran was reading was from Elleria rather than Jamie as she seemed to know and was poised to strike as the prince finished reading. I hope that is it for Dorne as way too much time was spent there last season.

Was watching a youtube vid earlier about the episode and the host said "according to the producers we'll be seeing a lot more of the sand snakes this season"

I think they really made a pig's ear of Dorne in the show.

Blazer · 25-04-2016 10:57PM

Look at it this way...if they screw up the tv show at least the books will still be awesome..as long as Martin doesn't screw up and die like Vince Flynn or Robert Jordan. it would be just typical.

duploelabs · 25-04-2016 10:58PM

aligator_am wrote: »

If you watch it again you see the same castle and cliffs / rocks jutting out when the rowboat is bringing Myrcella's body in and the ship is in the background, it must be King's Landing.

I'm starting to think the sand snakes may have a submarine, or possibly jet skis?

Underwater monorail

ixoy · 25-04-2016 11:20PM

Always curious after an episode to see just how much some people will moan

The Dorne stuff being wrapped up is okay, because it was pretty rubbish (Oberyn aside) in the series. Never really got caught up in it in the books either. Having said that, I wonder how easy it would be to portray some of these characters in an on screen form given the limited time.

No issue with Arya's story here as it was pretty boring in AFFC / ADWD too. It dragged on and the ending was always obvious - hope the show ploughs through it faster.

Blazer wrote: »

Look at it this way...if they screw up the tv show at least the books will still be awesome..as long as Martin doesn't screw up and die like Vince Flynn or Robert Jordan. it would be just typical.

And as long as they aren't like the disappointing fourth and fifth installments...

kingshankly · 25-04-2016 11:44PM

Only disappointing thing with regards the sands scene was the hounds that were chomping at the bit to get at them then ran away when let loose

Dyr · 25-04-2016 11:52PM

Blazer wrote: »

Look at it this way...if they screw up the tv show at least the books will still be awesome..as long as Martin doesn't screw up and die like Vince Flynn or Robert Jordan. it would be just typical.

The books stooped being awesome about three volumes in

awec · 25-04-2016 11:54PM

Son0vagun wrote: »

Thought the episode was terrible. Really fear for the show now they are making stuff up instead of following the books. In the past the show has been terrible when it strayed from the books. Brienne and Sansa bit was good. The whole Davos story was good. And as a book reader the Melissandre transformation come was no surprise. Everything else was just bahhhhh.

What part of the books talks to this?

I have read them all and I was surprised...

awec · 25-04-2016 11:57PM

Some of the plot lines must surely converge this year, I don't think they can drag out the seperate plots into another season, otherwise we are going to have an odd situation where plot lines build up for a long time and then come to a very abrupt end.

I'd say it'll be episode 3 before we figure out the Jon situation as episode 2 will probably be about Bran etc.

Mr. Incognito · 26-04-2016 12:03AM

Questions.....

Question 1. Oh look, a dead guy. Lets all lock ourselves in a room and die, for a dead guy. Why? Davos the loyal onion night get a telegram his king wants him to die for a corpse ?

Question 2. Does brienne come from the Enterprise? Because she managed to beam blood thursty hounds away. Poof.

Question 3. Im a rapey dothraki. Guess ill march the blonde bird i pulled home for a few days for the boss. Sure shes only mental and doesnt talk. Better not rape her, she'll tell on me?

Question 4. Dorne..... Jesus. When is Zena making a cameo.

Overall, meh. The tv show is absolutely going to lack dialogue, plot, direction striking it out without the books.

I fear the worst.

However,

How about some mutton?

jebidiah · 26-04-2016 12:10AM

No, I somehow can't see GRRM wrapping up the Dornish plot as quickly or as suddenly as that.

The show runners said they have 15 hours of story left, 50 mins per episode gives us about 18 episodes, or two more seasons.

Anything that hasn't made an appearance at this stage isn't likely to.

There will be a few more curve balls, but everything will be stream lined. Dorans line is done, no Quentin.
Stoneheart isn't going to jump out of a river and hook up with Sansa, Brienne isn't going to be hung either.

TL:DR. I don't think drastic changes in the show mean f-all to the book story.

awec · 26-04-2016 12:12AM

jebidiah wrote: »

No, I somehow can't see GRRM wrapping up the Dornish plot as quickly or as suddenly as that.

The show runners said they have 15 hours of story left, 50 mins per episode gives us about 18 episodes, or two more seasons.

Anything that hasn't made an appearance at this stage isn't likely to.

There will be a few more curve balls, but everything will be stream lined. Dorans line is done, no Quentin.
Stoneheart isn't going to jump out of a river and hook up with Sansa, Brienne isn't going to be hung either.

TL:DR. I don't think drastic changes in the show mean f-all to the book story.

Is that including this season? Seems very fast if so, a serious pick up of pace compared to the last few seasons.

Turtyturd · 26-04-2016 12:21AM

ixoy wrote: »

Always curious after an episode to see just how much some people will moan

Less than expected this week so far.

I enjoyed the episode. The stuff in the north is just so much better than the south. So grim and gritty and in keeping with the harsh world the characters are supposed to inhabit. The Dorne scenes actually injected some much needed interest into that particular plotline for me. The Sandsnakes were sh!t last year, and I know some people are underwhelmed by Doran and Aereo but I was never too caught up by it in the books. I can overlook how ham fisted and illogical the whole thing was because now they actually have a purpose and it will be interesting to see where it goes from here. I don't think this is going to be the end of Dorne like a lot of people seem to think/want.

froog · 26-04-2016 12:52AM

Turtyturd wrote: »

Less than expected this week so far.

I enjoyed the episode. The stuff in the north is just so much better than the south. So grim and gritty and in keeping with the harsh world the characters are supposed to inhabit. The Dorne scenes actually injected some much needed interest into that particular plotline for me. The Sandsnakes were sh!t last year, and I know some people are underwhelmed by Doran and Aereo but I was never too caught up by it in the books. I can overlook how ham fisted and illogical the whole thing was because now they actually have a purpose and it will be interesting to see where it goes from here. I don't think this is going to be the end of Dorne like a lot of people seem to think/want.

ya the dorne story is painfully dull in the books, looks like the tv show realised this, tried to get a brief "fun" adventure out of it with jamie and bronn before swiftly ending it. kind of tells us the dorne stuff ultimately doesn't matter that much to the final plot in the books, which is disappointing from martin (given how much time we wasted on it), but i suspected long ago martin has completely lost it with the books anyway. his admitted method of having a general ending in mind and just making it up as he goes along is woefully naive for a series of this scope.

jebidiah · 26-04-2016 02:20AM

awec wrote: »

jebidiah wrote: »

No, I somehow can't see GRRM wrapping up the Dornish plot as quickly or as suddenly as that.

The show runners said they have 15 hours of story left, 50 mins per episode gives us about 18 episodes, or two more seasons.

Anything that hasn't made an appearance at this stage isn't likely to.

There will be a few more curve balls, but everything will be stream lined. Dorans line is done, no Quentin.
Stoneheart isn't going to jump out of a river and hook up with Sansa, Brienne isn't going to be hung either.

TL:DR. I don't think drastic changes in the show mean f-all to the book story.

Is that including this season? Seems very fast if so, a serious pick up of pace compared to the last few seasons.

Add your reply here.

I think that was from an interview they gave recently. So I would imagine it's from this point on, from their perspective, as with production for season 7 coming up, and season 8 being the finale.

Jofspring · 26-04-2016 08:20AM

Has been a few questions asked of why Davos and the lads are in the room with John as he might turn into a Wight. I'm pretty sure you only turn into a Wight if you die beyond the wall or if turned by a white walker.

intheclouds · 26-04-2016 09:07AM

It suddenly hit me this morning that the hounds Ramsay used to hunt the blonde girl were rottweiler types, same as when Theons sister tried to rescue him.

But the hounds used to chase Sansa and Theon last night were bloodhounds - not particularly scary dogs at all.

Maybe thats why they ran off?

intheclouds · 26-04-2016 09:08AM

Jofspring wrote: »

Has been a few questions asked of why Davos and the lads are in the room with John as he might turn into a Wight. I'm pretty sure you only turn into a Wight if you die beyond the wall or if turned by a white walker.

Well the point it, a white walker can reanimate your corpse anytime it wants, at any stage of decomposition, so they burn the bodies to prevent that.

The real question is why they are protecting his body in the room AT ALL? Whats the point?

26-04-2016 09:19AM

Jofspring wrote: »

Has been a few questions asked of why Davos and the lads are in the room with John as he might turn into a Wight. I'm pretty sure you only turn into a Wight if you die beyond the wall or if turned by a white walker.

I'm not sure the lads on the wall would have that understanding

It's thought that there is some magic in the wall that prevents it along with the WW from passing but that's not for the guys there now to know.

SB_Part2 · 26-04-2016 09:56AM

I enjoyed it as an opening episode. I'd like if they had finally cleared up whether Jon was dead or coming back to life in the first episode and not have it drag on.

Dorne - don't care. Didn't understand how the two girls were on the boat.

Arya - would like to see more and see that plot moving on.

Theon/Sansa/Brienne - a bit too convenient that they showed up but still glad Sansa is safe now.

Dani - I personally love all things Dani.

Overall I'd have preferred if they just stuck to one location and progressed that story line further but I enjoyed the episode.

Nerdlingr · 26-04-2016 10:12AM

Cant believe they killed off Doran and Areo Hotah just like that. Hotah getting stabbed in the back by that sh*tty sandsnake ?? come on! He never got to use that big f*ck off axe of his. Really disappointed with their deaths, or moreso the way they died...especially Hotah...without a fight.

Things I didn't get : disappearing dogs, pod fighting on horseback, sandsnakes showing up on the boat, Jorah finding the ring just like that ??

I always love the Roose Bolton scenes though, dunno why, his interactions with Ramsey are great. Thought the Alliser Thorne speech was very well done. He made a good argument in fairness. Good to see that the show is showing both sides, just like Cersei mourning for her daughter, actually felt some empathy for her! and the "reveal" at the end was quite good.

Average enough opener for me, but as always, cant wait till next week.

awec · 26-04-2016 10:27AM

Nerdlingr wrote: »

Cant believe they killed off Doran and Areo Hotah just like that. Hotah getting stabbed in the back by that sh*tty sandsnake ?? come on! He never got to use that big f*ck off axe of his. Really disappointed with their deaths, or moreso the way they died...especially Hotah...without a fight.

Things I didn't get : disappearing dogs, pod fighting on horseback, sandsnakes showing up on the boat, Jorah finding the ring just like that ??

I always love the Roose Bolton scenes though, dunno why, his interactions with Ramsey are great. Thought the Alliser Thorne speech was very well done. He made a good argument in fairness. Good to see that the show is showing both sides, just like Cersei mourning for her daughter, actually felt some empathy for her! and the "reveal" at the end was quite good.

Average enough opener for me, but as always, cant wait till next week.

He found the ring cause it was in the middle of the circle where the hoofs of the horses had trodden down the grass.

26-04-2016 10:30AM

Nerdlingr wrote: »

Cant believe they killed off Doran and Areo Hotah just like that. Hotah getting stabbed in the back by that sh*tty sandsnake ?? come on! He never got to use that big f*ck off axe of his. Really disappointed with their deaths, or moreso the way they died...especially Hotah...without a fight.

Things I didn't get : disappearing dogs, pod fighting on horseback, sandsnakes showing up on the boat, Jorah finding the ring just like that ??

I always love the Roose Bolton scenes though, dunno why, his interactions with Ramsey are great. Thought the Alliser Thorne speech was very well done. He made a good argument in fairness. Good to see that the show is showing both sides, just like Cersei mourning for her daughter, actually felt some empathy for her! and the "reveal" at the end was quite good.

Average enough opener for me, but as always, cant wait till next week.

Thinking about it in the time that they gave to all the pointless Dorne things they could have done the crown Myrcella thing with the sand snakes and at least gotten something out of Hotah. Could have even got Darkstar involved. Wouldn't have been so bad Bronn getting the chop replacing Arys Oakheart if so imo.

intheclouds · 26-04-2016 10:33AM

Nerdlingr wrote: »

Things I didn't get : disappearing dogs, pod fighting on horseback, sandsnakes showing up on the boat, Jorah finding the ring just like that ??

I just presumed the dogs legged it once their handler was killed - they were bloodhounds, not rottweilers.

Pod fighting on horseback? Sure hasnt Brienne been training him morning and evening for weeks now?

Sandsnakes on the boat - I just presumed they had followed in a little boat.

The ring was in the centre of the trodden down grass where the Dothraki had circled Dani.

Dyr · 26-04-2016 10:43AM

intheclouds wrote: »

Well the point it, a white walker can reanimate your corpse anytime it wants, at any stage of decomposition, so they burn the bodies to prevent that.

The real question is why they are protecting his body in the room AT ALL? Whats the point?

Because they're all arguing over who gets to deliver the you're watch has ended herpy derp speech

Season 6 Episode 1 The Red Woman thread "Book readers"

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