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Climate Change.

  • 25-04-2016 09:04PM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,605 ✭✭✭✭


    We hear endless doomsday scenarios about climate change,but what if any definite negative effect has it had on anybody?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,564 ✭✭✭Sweetemotion


    Tax.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    Devastating floods here. Drought leading to famine elsewhere. But nothing negative.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,167 ✭✭✭Fr_Dougal


    Massive infrastructure costs.

    The EU had set a goal for all member states to have 22% SER by 2022. Who's going to pay for this? The tax payer.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,605 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Devastating floods here. Draughts leading to famine elsewhere. But nothing negative.


    Had those since Moses was in short pants.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,596 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    None, if your a gob****e building a house too near the sea, a floodplain or a river bank you get exactly what you deserve, the lads in the caves knew this thousands of years ago, no need for some highly paid subsidised scientist to come to any vested conclusion to tell them the basics of nature.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,519 ✭✭✭Flint Fredstone


    Devastating floods here. Draughts leading to famine elsewhere. But nothing negative.

    Someone should close a window.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,544 ✭✭✭Samaris


    Yep, nothing at all. Tell that to the people of Kiribati.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    Wow. I hope you're a troll, and if not then it is genuinely saddening that theres such ignorance still out there. The world really is doomed


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,034 ✭✭✭mad muffin


    I'll be long dead before the deadly effects of my flatulence will be felt.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,973 ✭✭✭RayM


    Far be it from me to disagree with almost every climatologist in the world, but the weather is supposed to get a bit cooler later in the week.

    Global warming, my arse.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 214 ✭✭edbrez


    Most flooding in Ireland is now blamed on climate change instead of bad planning decisions.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    wakka12 wrote: »
    Wow. I hope you're a troll, and if not then it is genuinely saddening that theres such ignorance still out there. The world really is doomed

    No it's not, The world will still be here after its uninhabitable to humans. Unless you are talking about when the earth is eaten by the sun turning into a red giant ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,339 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    RayM wrote: »
    Far be it from me to disagree with almost every climatologist in the world, but the weather is supposed to get a bit cooler later in the week.

    Global warming, my arse.

    Weather and climate are two different things.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,801 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Climate change?


    more like climyth change


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    No it's not, The world will still be here after its uninhabitable to humans. Unless you are talking about when the earth is eaten by the sun turning into a red giant ?

    No, the flooding will destroy huge swathes of animal habitats. The ocean temperatures and PH will rise and kill off the majority of marine life. Acid Rain is already killing off massive amounts of forests and we are currently destroying huge parts of jungles that arent going to just regrow out of the sand when we disappear. Its a domino effect. We will bring the world down with us you know


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,360 ✭✭✭KingBrian2


    You want to let the property developers run riot over your towns by despoiling the environment.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,236 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    I thought you had your own thread for this nonsense.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,544 ✭✭✭Samaris


    "Doomed" is always a fairly extreme word. What could happen is that humans render chunks of the world unhabitable (or not easily habitable) to humans and/or the animals/plantlife they depend on. That would lead to mass migration and increased competition over scarcer resources. We are already seeing that on a small scale with island nations such as Kiribati and Tuvalu.

    But ofc, that's not sea level rise, it's sea monsters getting agitated and swishing water up over their islands. Rly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 934 ✭✭✭pheasant tail


    I think it's very sad peoples attitude to climate change and how they think they play no role in it or that it doesn't affect them. Wait until we don't meet our emission targets and taxes go through the roof, only ourselves to blame and it's right. Saint Enda Kenny comes out after the Paris agreements and says that climate change is not a priority for the country now, yet a couple of weeks later he's paying how many millions in compensation for flooding...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,596 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    The CO2 emissions based motor tax is the biggest joke, not only has the recent VW emissions scandal exposed the deliberate manipluation of test results to not reflect any real world driving but our NCT doesn't actually test the emissions coming from any diesel car yet it does for petrol cars.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 620 ✭✭✭aidoh


    edbrez wrote: »
    Most flooding in Ireland is now blamed on climate change instead of bad planning decisions.

    Bad planning and the dredging and redirection of rivers away from their natural courses into cattle grazing fields, large-scale draining of turloughs and bogs for the same reason (both of which are, apart from being unique in their flora and fauna and often legally protected in Ireland, are also major carbon sinks).
    What do you think the combined effect of additional methane from loads of new farmers scrambling to take advantage of the lax new dairy quota, and the rapid loss of sinks to store atmospheric carbon?
    Ireland's predicted future climate will be wetter and colder - more frequent flooding is absolutely a sign of that.
    Also the massive and rapid increase in intensity and frequency of winter storms in the West is another clear sign.
    Bad planning has something to do with flooding, of course, but people tend to not see the bigger picture and the cumulative effects of bad planning / global climate warming.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 214 ✭✭edbrez


    aidoh wrote: »
    Bad planning has something to do with flooding, of course, but people tend to not see the bigger picture and the cumulative effects of bad planning / global climate warming.
    There's no bigger picture to see. All that flooding is due to poor planning and maintenance of rivers. Part of our recent floods are due to dams being opened. There's no way Irish cattle are responsible for our floods. That's called pseudoscience. If every cow in Ireland dies tomorrow, if every driver switched to electric cars there will still be floods here next year.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,973 ✭✭✭RayM


    Pherekydes wrote: »
    Weather and climate are two different things.

    Yeah well, I think the experts are wrong about their chosen field of study. And no amount of true environmental facts will change my mind.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,605 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Samaris wrote: »
    Yep, nothing at all. Tell that to the people of Kiribati.



    Do Pacific Islands suffer from erosion?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,151 ✭✭✭daheff


    Not sure i agree with the global warming brigade....or at least not to the indisputable extent they make it out to be.

    I do agree though that we shouldnt be polluting the planet the way we do.



    Theres not enough evidential long term (thousands/millions of years) of data available to see about temperature changes (uptrends downtrends etc)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 20,073 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    Very noticeable in farming. We're in a marginal area but see land remaining wetter each year with increased rainfall and less drying.
    Wetter weather leads to leeching of minerals and increased weed growth which costs money.
    More winter feeding needed as land is less traffickable. In last 10 years the winter for cattle indoors here has increased by 4 weeks and in parts of the country it's close to 6 month indoors.

    All adding to the cost of food production which costs everybody in the long run.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,297 ✭✭✭✭Sam Kade


    _Brian wrote: »
    Very noticeable in farming. We're in a marginal area but see land remaining wetter each year with increased rainfall and less drying.
    Wetter weather leads to leeching of minerals and increased weed growth which costs money.
    More winter feeding needed as land is less traffickable. In last 10 years the winter for cattle indoors here has increased by 4 weeks and in parts of the country it's close to 6 month indoors.

    All adding to the cost of food production which costs everybody in the long run.
    10 years is only a blip with climate, hardly long enough to come to conclusions about climate change. We had colder winters during the 70's milder winters during the 90's nothing startling about having wetter winters now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,605 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    _Brian wrote: »
    Very noticeable in farming. We're in a marginal area but see land remaining wetter each year with increased rainfall and less drying.
    Wetter weather leads to leeching of minerals and increased weed growth which costs money.
    More winter feeding needed as land is less traffickable. In last 10 years the winter for cattle indoors here has increased by 4 weeks and in parts of the country it's close to 6 month indoors.

    All adding to the cost of food production which costs everybody in the long run.



    Rainfall has been normal annually according to the Met Office.
    You may get wetter periods at the wrong time of year that makes it appear wetter .Could be due to poor drainage or mismanaged rivers also.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,787 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    It didn't do the neanderthals any favours.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,544 ✭✭✭Samaris


    kneemos wrote: »
    Rainfall has been normal annually according to the Met Office.
    You may get wetter periods at the wrong time of year that makes it appear wetter .Could be due to poor drainage or mismanaged rivers also.

    What do you think happens when you get a whole lot of annual average rainfall in two months?

    It's still AVERAGE. But all at once. Average up the months and the seasons, not just the annual. You need to check all the patterns against each other, not just the most wide-ranging.


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