Can my boyfriend live here longer than 3 months?

audihax · 22-04-2016 07:38PM #1

Hi guys

My boyfriend is moving here from Sweden soon and we are concerned about how long he is allowed to stay here without a job. I've been reading about it and it says EU citizens can stay here for up to 3 months and they can stay longer than 3 months if they are employed or signed up as a student etc. But what if he is unable to find a job within 3 months? How can the state know that he is even here? No one stamps the passports at the airport or nothing, so how can they tell that he is even in the country?

CiniO · 22-04-2016 07:41PM

Assuming he is EU citizen he can stay here as long as he wish without a job, provided he has means to support himself.
(F.e some kind of income or someone supporting him f.e. you)

Greenmachine · 22-04-2016 07:41PM

He doesn't have to be employed to stay but he does has to register his residency here, I believe.

CiniO · 22-04-2016 07:42PM

Greenmachine wrote: »

He doesn't have to be employed to stay but he does has to register his residency here, I believe.

Register with who?

audihax · 22-04-2016 07:48PM

CiniO wrote: »

Assuming he is EU citizen he can stay here as long as he wish without a job, provided he has means to support himself.
(F.e some kind of income or someone supporting him f.e. you)

Ok so he will be staying with me and my parents until we can find a place of our own. If he can't find a job within 3 months, can my parents state that they are supporting him? I'm just afraid he will be told to leave the country after 3 months if he is still unemployed. Is this possible??

VincePP · 22-04-2016 07:52PM

Unemployment is dropping weekly. There's very little unemployment in the skilled or semi skilled area, so instead of concentrating on negatives get him to start registering himself with agencies. Many do interviews by video link or phone.

Unless he is uneducated (unlikely as he's Swedish) he will have no issue whatever in finding a job.

mistress_gi · 22-04-2016 07:54PM

Is he a European citizen? If the answer is yes then he doesn't have to register with any government body. He can stay for how long he wants.

audihax · 22-04-2016 07:56PM

mistress_gi wrote: »

Is he a European citizen? If the answer is yes then he doesn't have to register with any government body. He can stay for how long he wants.

That's what I thought too, but then I read this...How can they tell he's been here longer than 3 months?? That's what I'm concerned about...

"If you are an EEA national you and your family members have the right to come to Ireland for 3 months with no conditions attached under the European Communities (Free Movement of Persons) Regulations 2015 which implement an EU Directive on the free movement of persons. You then have the right of residence for longer than 3 months if:

You are employed or self-employed
or
You have enough resources so that you and your dependants do not become a burden on the social assistance system and you have comprehensive sickness insurance"

firestarter51 · 22-04-2016 08:21PM

looking at this he should get a pps number asap and look for a job and his benefits will be transfered from his home country
unless im reading it wrong

If you are a national of the European Union (EU), of one of the other EEA countries (Iceland, Liechtenstein, Norway) or of Switzerland, you have the right to stay in Ireland, and your family members have the right to stay here also. There are some limits to this right, however.

You can stay in Ireland for up to 3 months without restriction. If you plan to stay more than 3 months, you must either:

Be engaged in economic activity (employed or self employed) or
Have sufficient resources and sickness insurance to ensure that you do not become a burden on the social services of Ireland or
Be enrolled as a student or vocational trainee or
Be a family member of a Union citizen in one of the previous categories.
When you come to Ireland you do not need to register with the local immigration officer and you do not need a residence card to live here. If you wish to have a record of your residence in Ireland you can register with your embassy of your country in Ireland.

UK citizens: People who are citizens of the United Kingdom (UK) are entitled to live in Ireland without any conditions or restrictions.

Seeking employment in Ireland
If you are an EEA national, you can stay in Ireland if you are unemployed and looking for work. You can transfer your unemployment benefit from your country of origin and it will be paid to you in Ireland for up to 3 months (can be up to 6 months in some cases). After that period, you may qualify for Jobseeker's Allowance if you satisfy the conditions, which include an Habitual Residence Condition.

audihax · 22-04-2016 08:24PM

firestarter51 wrote: »

looking at this he should get a pps number asap and look for a job and his benefits will be transfered from his home country
unless im reading it wrong

If you are a national of the European Union (EU), of one of the other EEA countries (Iceland, Liechtenstein, Norway) or of Switzerland, you have the right to stay in Ireland, and your family members have the right to stay here also. There are some limits to this right, however.

You can stay in Ireland for up to 3 months without restriction. If you plan to stay more than 3 months, you must either:

Be engaged in economic activity (employed or self employed) or
Have sufficient resources and sickness insurance to ensure that you do not become a burden on the social services of Ireland or
Be enrolled as a student or vocational trainee or
Be a family member of a Union citizen in one of the previous categories.
When you come to Ireland you do not need to register with the local immigration officer and you do not need a residence card to live here. If you wish to have a record of your residence in Ireland you can register with your embassy of your country in Ireland.

UK citizens: People who are citizens of the United Kingdom (UK) are entitled to live in Ireland without any conditions or restrictions.

Seeking employment in Ireland
If you are an EEA national, you can stay in Ireland if you are unemployed and looking for work. You can transfer your unemployment benefit from your country of origin and it will be paid to you in Ireland for up to 3 months (can be up to 6 months in some cases). After that period, you may qualify for Jobseeker's Allowance if you satisfy the conditions, which include an Habitual Residence Condition.

I've already read all of this, but the thing is, he is quitting his job in Sweden and then moving here right away, so he won't be claiming any benefits from his country. He wants to come here and hope to find a job soon. We are just concerned about what happens after 3 months if he is still unemployed here

P_1 · 22-04-2016 08:25PM

If he's Swedish he should have no problem getting work. Assuming he's bilingual and nothing crops up in his main field then he'd have the pick of the bunch when it comes to customer service jobs.

firestarter51 · 22-04-2016 08:28PM

audihax wrote: »

I've already read all of this, but the thing is, he is quitting his job in Sweden and then moving here right away, so he won't be claiming any benefits from his country. He wants to come here and hope to find a job soon. We are just concerned about what happens after 3 months if he is still unemployed here

he will have his pick of jobs id imagine, he can get jobseekers after a while if he can satisfy them he is a habitual resident

arch_stanton · 22-04-2016 08:35PM

audihax wrote: »

That's what I thought too, but then I read this...How can they tell he's been here longer than 3 months?? That's what I'm concerned about...

That's the strict legal position in the EU treaty but unless they start checking arrival records in Dublin airport they don't know and really they don't care.

It's a little different in countries like Spain where you get a residency cert and you're supposed to register with your local council (which I didn't do so nearly 5 years as nobody told me about it)

In practical terms an EU citizen can stay as long as they like so long as they're not a burden on the state. Even then, they might have some restriction on benefits but they're not getting deported. It can take a decade to get rid of a dodgy failed asylum seeker

CiniO · 22-04-2016 08:46PM

audihax wrote: »

Ok so he will be staying with me and my parents until we can find a place of our own. If he can't find a job within 3 months, can my parents state that they are supporting him? I'm just afraid he will be told to leave the country after 3 months if he is still unemployed. Is this possible??

He won't be told to leave the country?

How do you imagine that? Who would tell him to leave?

audihax wrote: »

I've already read all of this, but the thing is, he is quitting his job in Sweden and then moving here right away, so he won't be claiming any benefits from his country. He wants to come here and hope to find a job soon. We are just concerned about what happens after 3 months if he is still unemployed here

Nothing happens.

You said he will be staying with your (your parrents). If he has no means, you will be supporting him.

Unless he will really become a burden to Irish social system - which pretty much means he becomes homeless here - there's absolutely nothing to worry about.

john.han · 22-04-2016 08:50PM

He just needs to become a jobseeker to stay longer than 3 months, doesn't actually have to find a job.

bpmurray · 22-04-2016 08:55PM

He can get his benefits transferred here, and he can sign on and get 10 times what the other poor sods are being paid. That way he's not a burden on the state.

CiniO · 22-04-2016 09:01PM

john.han wrote: »

He just needs to become a jobseeker to stay longer than 3 months, doesn't actually have to find a job.

That's not true.
He doesn't need to work at all if he doesn't want to.

john.han · 22-04-2016 09:07PM

CiniO wrote: »

That's not true.
He doesn't need to work at all if he doesn't want to.

He does need to be a jobseeker this makes him economically active. This is necessary if he does not have the means to support himself or nobody is supporting him. This doesn't mean he actually has to work, but he needs technically (like other unemployed people) to be actively seeking work. In practice I've never heard of an EU citizen being deported for not working.

CiniO · 22-04-2016 09:20PM

john.han wrote: »

He does need to be a jobseeker this makes him economically active. This is necessary if he does not have the means to support himself or nobody is supporting him. This doesn't mean he actually has to work, but he needs technically (like other unemployed people) to be actively seeking work. In practice I've never heard of an EU citizen being deported for not working.

Well he can't claim any jobseekers payments in Ireland after arrival, except from case when he is granted jobseeker payment in Sweden and moves it to Ireland for 3 months.

But from OP is saying, he is not going to do that. Maybe he is not entitled to claim jobseekers payment in Sweden as he is volutarly leaving work there.

Anyway - you are saying this is necessery if he has no means of supporting himself or someone else to support him.

Looks like in OP's case her boyfriend either can support himself, or has someone how can support him - provide accomodation, etc..

Let's say someone from EU (f.e. Italy) comes to Ireland with his savings of €50k, and decides he can live on €500 per month, then he can support himself in Ireland for 100 months, which is over 8 years. There's nothing which can stop him from doing so, and he can live here without being a jobseeker or looking for work.

Can my boyfriend live here longer than 3 months?

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