Phoenix Park tunnel: 4 trains per hour from 2016

LXFlyer · 29-03-2016 11:47AM

MrMorooka wrote: »

Any info on if the anti-peak direction trains would operate in service, or will they run express ECS to get in position?

I would expect that you'd have just the one train an hour in the other direction.

Presumably the other trains will either return to Newbridge ECS (empty coaching stock) to operate another train, or else back to the depot/Connolly for storage during the day.

cowboyjoe · 29-03-2016 04:33PM

lxflyer wrote: »

I would expect that you'd have just the one train an hour in the other direction.

Presumably the other trains will either return to Newbridge ECS (empty coaching stock) to operate another train, or else back to the depot/Connolly for storage during the day.

To quote the NTA person involved with this, she seems to think the 4trains per hour thru the PPT peak is what we should expect:

"Regarding the timetable, this has not yet been agreed but roughly 4 per hour in the peak times (7am to 9am) and 1 per hour off peak. Same in the evening peak. They should run roughly every 15mins in the peak hours."

This schedule will all be at the mercy of our transport unions however, lucky us.

Captain Chaos · 31-03-2016 01:28PM

BoatMad wrote: »

anyway lets forget all this talk of 10 minute Dart , not going to happen this year anyway

What are they going to do with the 20 extra drivers they trained up? Let them go because there is suddenly no prospect of work for them to do.

Infini · 31-03-2016 02:38PM

Captain Chaos wrote: »

What are they going to do with the 20 extra drivers they trained up? Let them go because there is suddenly no prospect of work for them to do.

Probably use them for relief and such in the meantime. Its not like many of the new drivers arent already doing this (a good few of the first batch of drivers ended up replacing long term sickness drivers in the 1st place). Besides from what cullen said there yesterday the drivers in question wont be fully passed out till June.

The 10min service may yet come but not without revisions and such to take account of the reality on the ground. Did hear a rumor going around that the 10min service might not come till November at the earliest considering the problems that have yet to be resolved and the completion of the KRPP2 project and gcd works later this summer.

Paddico · 20-04-2016 01:06PM

Has an opening/begin date been put on this project?

cgcsb · 20-04-2016 01:18PM

Paddico wrote: »

Has an opening/begin date been put on this project?

As we've seen in the news there is unlikely to operations through the PPT or 10 minute frequencies or any other service improvements until union demands are met.

trellheim · 20-04-2016 07:27PM

A large amount of permanent way work is in progress from GCD to and including PPT currently , they've been slaving for months. The infra piece looks like from where I sit that its going along nicely.

Elemonator · 21-04-2016 02:05PM

Only 4 trains? Seems a little low?

Captain Chaos · 21-04-2016 02:11PM

Elemonator wrote: »

Only 4 trains? Seems a little low?

Not really when you consider they have to slot between DART, Maynooth, Drogheda, Dundalk and Rosslare commuter train slots that also share the line from Connolly to GCD.

The line between Connolly and GCD will become the busiest and most congested part of the entire Irish Rail network when all this comes online.

cgcsb · 21-04-2016 02:18PM

Captain Chaos wrote: »

Not really when you consider they have to slot between DART, Maynooth, Drogheda, Dundalk and Rosslare commuter train slots that also share the line from Connolly to GCD.

The line between Connolly and GCD will become the busiest and most congested part of the entire Irish Rail network when all this comes online.

Is it not already?

Captain Chaos · 21-04-2016 02:25PM

cgcsb wrote: »

Is it not already?

Could well be at this stage. Think it was busier before they closed the Boston sidings for the signaling and track work at GCD. Most sets stable at Connolly for the past 18 months or so.

LXFlyer · 21-04-2016 04:41PM

Elemonator wrote: »

Only 4 trains? Seems a little low?

There isn't the rolling stock to deliver a higher frequency, as well as the lack of slots.

Bear in mind also that there still will be commuter trains from the Kildare line terminating at Heuston so people can choose which they wish to take.

Sam Russell · 21-04-2016 05:54PM

Captain Chaos wrote: »

Not really when you consider they have to slot between DART, Maynooth, Drogheda, Dundalk and Rosslare commuter train slots that also share the line from Connolly to GCD.

The line between Connolly and GCD will become the busiest and most congested part of the entire Irish Rail network when all this comes online.

If it is that busy, they will have to build an underground link between the Northern line and Heuston.

Captain Chaos · 21-04-2016 06:28PM

Sam Russell wrote: »

If it is that busy, they will have to build an underground link between the Northern line and Heuston.

That's what they should be building right now but DU has been put on hold for further "planning".

Sam Russell · 21-04-2016 08:04PM

Captain Chaos wrote: »

That's what they should be building right now but DU has been put on hold for further "planning".

That was what I had in mind - did the smiley face not indicate that?

guylikeme · 03-05-2016 03:34PM

Is there an open date for this planned?

I note that you cant book any trains from Galway line to GCD just yet

kc56 · 03-05-2016 03:44PM

guylikeme wrote: »

Is there an open date for this planned?

I note that you cant book any trains from Galway line to GCD just yet

Autumn at the earliest. On-line only goes ahead 60 days

Jamie2k9 · 03-05-2016 05:53PM

guylikeme wrote: »

Is there an open date for this planned?

I note that you cant book any trains from Galway line to GCD just yet

Won't be able to book such a routing anyway because reserving seats on commuter service.

cgcsb · 04-05-2016 08:33AM

Drivers are refusing to cooperate with a 10 minute DART frequency, odds are they won't cooperate with this change either, so probably won't happen at all.

spacetweek · 04-05-2016 11:50AM

cgcsb wrote: »

Drivers are refusing to cooperate with a 10 minute DART frequency, odds are they won't cooperate with this change either, so probably won't happen at all.

That is untenable. Both will be done.

LXFlyer · 04-05-2016 12:16PM

spacetweek wrote: »

That is untenable. Both will be done.

Exactly - both will happen given the extensive infrastructural works that are ongoing.

ALS · 04-05-2016 12:19PM

Drivers in Hueston are currently on road knowledge to facilitate this new route ,no issues regarding the new road in this depot

goingnowhere · 04-05-2016 12:30PM

Only doing road knowledge to Connolly which has been common for all new drivers for years

Can't do road knowledge to GCD until signalling complete

Paddico · 04-05-2016 12:51PM

ALS wrote: »

Drivers in Hueston are currently on road knowledge to facilitate this new route ,no issues regarding the new road in this depot

By road knowledge do you mean route knowledge ?

flyingsnail · 04-05-2016 01:30PM

Paddico wrote: »

By road knowledge do you mean route knowledge ?

They mean the same thing.

ALS · 04-05-2016 01:55PM

Sorry should have said Branch to Connolly and back .... Road / route knowledge same thing ...

04-05-2016 05:35PM

I sent an email to IE asking when they expect the service to start,
here is the reply

Dear dolanbaker,
Thank you for your email, this service is scheduled to start by the end of October 2016.

Thank you for your correspondence.

Kind Regards,

Jamie2k9 · 04-05-2016 05:49PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I sent an email to IE asking when they expect the service to start,
here is the reply

Personally I not so sure it will happen then, I would think December (early). Line works on Heuston side are not completed until 5 November and a new schedule won't be able to operate until then.

Then again IE may just ram it through and make a mess of the timetable as they have form for such decisions!

Exactly - both will happen given the extensive infrastructural works that are ongoing.

Come on now, not a single bit of infrastructure is taking place for a DART timetable, what is happening IE are destroying N Commuter and Belfast services instead.

Grandeeod · 05-05-2016 07:29PM

Any chance we could keep the thread as per its title??

monument · 06-05-2016 07:54PM

Moderator note:

By request, nearly 50 posts manually moved to the Dart 10 minute thread over in the main C&T board.

Although in a batch, I had to read and click each post -- so, there's potential for me having moved posts wrongly or not moved posts wrongly, if it's your post, please just re post it on the most suited thread.

Grandeeod wrote: »

Any chance we could keep the thread as per its title??

See above.

Phoenix Park tunnel: 4 trains per hour from 2016

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