Kilkenny GAA Thread Part 2 MOD NOTE POST 1*

Slieve Gullion · 16-04-2016 06:46PM

No offense Cats but you are either stupid or naive. kk football pantomime.

theoneeyedman · 16-04-2016 06:56PM

cms88 wrote: »

Surely the Kilkenny county board should be held responsible for this? Much the same as the Wicklow county board after last week.

I assume they are getting funding from Croke Park for football? If so what exactly are they spending it on? No one is expecting them to be winning Leinster championships or anything like that, but my god.

I'd expect they are spending it on hurling. It's not like Wexford are an elite football County or anything.

Fine them, or withold all central funding until they put some effort into football. All other counties attempt to bring both codes along somewhat, usually there is a small pocket of hurling in a predominantly football County and they make some effort.

cats pyjamas · 16-04-2016 06:57PM

Thanks for that but I am neither stupid or naive.

I have some experience of football in kk. There are some very good people involved and who stay involved despite days like today.

However I still go back to my original argument - you cannot force people to play the game. Hurling is popular in kk and that is the game people want to play.

cats pyjamas · 16-04-2016 07:00PM

theoneeyedman wrote: »

I'd expect they are spending it on hurling. It's not like Wexford are an elite football County or anything.

Fine them, or withold all central funding until they put some effort into football. All other counties attempt to bring both codes along somewhat, usually there is a small pocket of hurling in a predominantly football County and they make some effort.

Any outrage for Cavans lack of a senior intercounty hurling team?

Cornerback1 · 16-04-2016 07:01PM

cats pyjamas wrote: »

Thanks for that but I am neither stupid or naive.

I have some experience of football in kk. There are some very good people involved and who stay involved despite days like today.

However I still go back to my original argument - you cannot force people to play the game. Hurling is popular in kk and that is the game people want to play.

One point i don't get is could Wexford not have eased up and put on all their subs?

I know it doesn't look good but at a club match, if a team was beating a team by 20pts, they'd empty the bench and manager would tell lads to ease up.

Cornerback1 · 16-04-2016 07:03PM

cats pyjamas wrote: »

Any outrage for Cavans lack of a senior intercounty hurling team?

Or Fermanagh having only one hurling club and a senior county player stating there'll not be a Fermanagh senior hurling team in a few years!!

letowski · 16-04-2016 07:45PM

Cornerback1 wrote:

Clare's team has been named;

1. Patrick Kelly 2. Oisin O'Brien 3. Cian Dillon 4. Paul Flanagan 5. Conor Cleary 6. Pat O'Connor 7. David Fitzgerald 8. Brendan Bulger 9. Colm Galvin 10. John Conlon 11. Conor Mc Grath 12. David Reidy 13. PodgeCollins 14. Darach Honan 15. Aaron Cunningham

Will it start like this..that's the question?

I reckon Cody is going to lose alot of sleep tonight trying to answer that question

Darkest Horse · 16-04-2016 07:49PM

Is there the possibility that the Kilkenny players weren't taking the fixture entirely seriously themselves? I've heard of that type of thing happening in the club championship there and the point-a-minute score line seems to me to be difficult to physically achieve within the timeframe of a game. Basically Wexford would have had to convert every Kilkenny kick out to a score within 90 seconds or so, pretty much preventing them ever leaving their own half.

Realt Dearg Sec · 16-04-2016 07:54PM

theoneeyedman wrote: »

I'd expect they are spending it on hurling. It's not like Wexford are an elite football County or anything.

Fine them, or withold all central funding until they put some effort into football. All other counties attempt to bring both codes along somewhat, usually there is a small pocket of hurling in a predominantly football County and they make some effort.

So what pocket of Kilkenny are you suggesting should be forced to switch to football? And can I be there when you arrive down to tell them the news that they are the new football pocket?

Brian017 · 16-04-2016 07:54PM

Cornerback1 wrote: »

Or Fermanagh having only one hurling club and a senior county player stating there'll not be a Fermanagh senior hurling team in a few years!!

Fermanagh is not winning Sam after Sam though. If Kilkenny weren't as successful in Hurling I don't think people would be as up in arms about it; calling for fines and whatnot.

I, for one, would love us to be at least semi competitive in football. But there's very little desire for football in the county; and as another poster said no matter how much money you pump into it ultimately you can't force people to play something they don't want to.

jeff bingham · 16-04-2016 08:47PM

Cornerback1 wrote:

Or Fermanagh having only one hurling club and a senior county player stating there'll not be a Fermanagh senior hurling team in a few years!!

How does that work does anyone know? Do they play in a neighbouring county league?

Would it be worth putting a south kk football team in the tipp/Waterford league and a north team in Carlow or another? Probably wouldn't be the interest to get 2 teams training regularly but they need to try something different and try build from the bottom

cms88 · 16-04-2016 09:01PM

Stokseys Da wrote: »

I really don't see how it is anyone but the Kilkenny County Board's fault for a disgraceful neglect of our national game and concentrating all their resources on hurling.

I do feel sorry for the young lads of that minor team today who clearly were not prepared properly but hopefully today will shame the Kilkenny County Board into a more equitable allocation of resources and putting a proper infrastructure in place. And don't tell me it can't be done.... look at Kerry hurlers excellent improvements last few years.

I say keep making Kilkenny line out teams in these competitions, including senior championship, until ye are shamed into action and improvement. It certainly takes the gloss off the fine recent hurling achievements by ye unfortunately.

Its simple if Kilkenny are to keep getting funding for football then it should be based on results. Because it looks to me that they are entering teams into minor and under 21 championships so they can get the funding that goes along with it. For the years minor teams from Kilkenny have taken beatings like this and then pulled out after the first game, they can then go and say they fielded a team and be entitled to funding.

For example how much of the funding they get was spent on this team today? It seems like they just put the team together today!

As for comments re Cavan since they pulled out their senior hurling team they have been putting in work at underage level with a view to again fielding at senior level.

DuffleBag · 16-04-2016 09:02PM

An absolute disgrace. Shame on the county board

mountgomery burns · 16-04-2016 09:10PM

Kilkenny more than entitled to not care about football. If there's little or no appetite for the sport in the County then so be it.

God knows there's enough county's don't give a hoot about hurling. When we start fining all of those Counties then we can fine Kilkenny.

randd1 · 16-04-2016 09:29PM

mountgomery burns wrote: »

Kilkenny more than entitled to not care about football. If there's little or no appetite for the sport in the County then so be it.

God knows there's enough county's don't give a hoot about hurling. When we start fining all of those Counties then we can fine Kilkenny.

Now now, that would be called apply things evenly across the board, can't have that now.

As for the funding thing in general can anyone supply a figure?

ArielAtom · 16-04-2016 09:29PM

The last time I looked it was called the Gaelic Athletic Association, not the Football or Hurling one. Both codes should be supported and encouraged, KK have been brainwashed into thinking that only one code operates, my opinion is it wrong, the lads that went it today and suffered that defeat did not deserve that. Q: was it lack of preparation, skill level or support from the CB???

Cornerback1 · 16-04-2016 09:34PM

jeff bingham wrote: »

How does that work does anyone know? Do they play in a neighbouring county league?

Would it be worth putting a south kk football team in the tipp/Waterford league and a north team in Carlow or another? Probably wouldn't be the interest to get 2 teams training regularly but they need to try something different and try build from the bottom

I think they play in an Ulster Lea gue against teams from Armagh, Tyrone and Donegal etc. The point he was getting at is there is a lot of travel involved and it's tough.

Obviously if you only have 1 senior team, it will not go on.

In Cavan, there's 3 or 4 teams but i think they're currently developing 'regional' or cluster teams i.e. 1 hurling club being formed between 4 or 5 clubs. More like a regional team. Building from the bottom up with the intention of having a Cavan senior team in the Nat. Lge in a few years.

Although some article was saying earlier in the year that theCavan Co. Board were stalling giving a date to enter a senior team into the NHL.

Tyrone are also going to form 2 regional clubs at underage level to build up the no. of clubs in Tyrone.

bruschi · 16-04-2016 10:39PM

Cornerback1 wrote: »

One point i don't get is could Wexford not have eased up and put on all their subs?

I know it doesn't look good but at a club match, if a team was beating a team by 20pts, they'd empty the bench and manager would tell lads to ease up.

They did. Problem was that the subs coming on wanted to make an impact and show up well. Plus a lot of the scores were literally handed to them on a plate.

Deflection as to what other counties do with hurling is just that. Football is easy to play and fund. Kilkenny get money by fielding these teams. They clearly do not invest it in fielding these teams.

Cornerback1 · 16-04-2016 10:47PM

bruschi wrote: »

They did. Problem was that the subs coming on wanted to make an impact and show up well. Plus a lot of the scores were literally handed to them on a plate.

Deflection as to what other counties do with hurling is just that. Football is easy to play and fund. Kilkenny get money by fielding these teams. They clearly do not invest it in fielding these teams.

I'm not excusing what the score was but surely Wexford should have eased up.

I wonder what the amount of money they receive is anyway?

kk1970 · 16-04-2016 11:38PM

Stokseys Da wrote: »

I really don't see how it is anyone but the Kilkenny County Board's fault for a disgraceful neglect of our national game and concentrating all their resources on hurling.

I do feel sorry for the young lads of that minor team today who clearly were not prepared properly but hopefully today will shame the Kilkenny County Board into a more equitable allocation of resources and putting a proper infrastructure in place. And don't tell me it can't be done.... look at Kerry hurlers excellent improvements last few years.

I say keep making Kilkenny line out teams in these competitions, including senior championship, until ye are shamed into action and improvement. It certainly takes the gloss off the fine recent hurling achievements by ye unfortunately.

Doesn't take the gloss off any achievement for me or it doesn't take any gloss liam mac sorry

dastardly00 · 16-04-2016 11:42PM

Cornerback1 wrote: »

I wonder what the amount of money they receive is anyway?

The breakdown of the funding would be interesting to know for sure.

randd1 · 16-04-2016 11:50PM

ArielAtom wrote: »

The last time I looked it was called the Gaelic Athletic Association, not the Football or Hurling one. Both codes should be supported and encouraged, KK have been brainwashed into thinking that only one code operates, my opinion is it wrong, the lads that went it today and suffered that defeat did not deserve that. Q: was it lack of preparation, skill level or support from the CB???

You do realise you could replace KK with the initials from 16 counties and still have a valid argument.

Yet Kilkenny always seem to get the stick. Then again they're the only county that doesn't do football, at least the football counties have safety in numbers.

And again, does anyone actually have the football funding figures for Kilkenny?

pat 22 · 17-04-2016 12:38AM

I really don't see what the problem is here. We got beaten by a better team. All these ppl coming on here giving out about our county board which happens to be the most successful county board in the country.

If I really wanted to go on about other counties contribution to hurling I'd be here all night and speaking very negatively. Cork,Dublin,Galway and tipp past few yrs are the only counties can say they compete at the top in both codes.
Which they just happen to havensure much larger populations than kilkenny.

I suggest kilkenny minors play louth,Cavan etc and see how great these other gaa counties are doing in hurling :-)

Realt Dearg Sec · 17-04-2016 01:56AM

randd1 wrote: »

And again, does anyone actually have the football funding figures for Kilkenny?

Don't be silly, that would get in the way of the not at all jealousy-fuelled ranting.

Stokseys Da · 17-04-2016 06:53AM

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

Don't be silly, that would get in the way of the not at all jealousy-fuelled ranting.

Jealous of what exactly?

mountgomery burns · 17-04-2016 08:06AM

Stokseys Da wrote: »

Jealous of what exactly?

Of success. If this was the Louth GAA thread and they had that result, how many people would be on looking for funding to be cut.

randd1 · 17-04-2016 08:47AM

mountgomery burns wrote: »

Of success. If this was the Louth GAA thread and they had that result, how many people would be on looking for funding to be cut.

Actually, they'd be complaining about how little funding they get, and how they need more.

Stokseys Da · 17-04-2016 08:48AM

mountgomery burns wrote: »

Of success. If this was the Louth GAA thread and they had that result, how many people would be on looking for funding to be cut.

Classic deflection.

If the Cork/Antrim/Tipp/whoever footballers were after getting bet out in a match the gate you wouldn't hear them going on smugly about their hurlers success after the game as an excuse/justification for what happened.

The Kilkenny County Board are a disgrace and the smug responses of some Kilkenny "GAA" people aren't showing them up in a good light.

HQ needs to force them to invest in the game in my opinion or else start sanctioning their hurling teams - maybe taking home hurling league/championship games away from Nowlan Park might be a start to get their minds focused.

Stokseys Da · 17-04-2016 08:50AM

randd1 wrote: »

Actually, they'd be complaining about how little funding they get, and how they need more.

Truth spoken there. The fact it isn't even being raised as a serious request them is very worrying. A full investigation should be carried out by HQ to determine if existing football funds are being diverted to hurling.

blackcard · 17-04-2016 09:21AM

What about the effort some counties are putting into rounders? Shouldn't there be outrage over this?

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