Trying to Conceive 2016 onwards Chat Thread

Liam McPoyle · 15-04-2016 11:53PM

fits wrote: »

Fingers crossed its nothing serious.

We went to the Coombe this evening.

They did an utlrasound but as she is only about 6 weeks (according to the doctor, we had calculated around 4) nothing was visible apart from the amniotic sack.

The gyno did a speculum exam and the cervix is fully closed which she said is excellent as if a MC was in progress it wouldn't be.

There is no pressure pain on the abdomen either however she couldn't rule out an ectopic pregnancy as yet as the foetus isn't visible yet.

The doc said the spotting could be implantation bleeding, apparently this can occur anywhere up to 9 weeks after the first positive result which we hadn't a clue about.

Booked in for an internal scan for middle of next week to rule out an ectopic pregnancy, hopefully it will show up that everything is as it should be.

Still a little bit worried but feeling very relieved too.

Emmal14 · 16-04-2016 09:21AM

This thread has been fab to follow just to see that we can all support each other! Had my mri done on thursday to check for pcos and then went for physio. My pelvic floor muscles are tight but the physio thinks i may have an extra thick hymen blocking part of the way potentially. So that would be surgery to remove. The mri should hopefully shed some light on that! Got a thermometer to temp etc but realistically just gonna track my cycle this month until i hear back from the gynae & physio. How is everyone else getting on?

Ruailebuile · 16-04-2016 11:38AM

Saul T Nutzz wrote: »

We went to the Coombe this evening.

They did an utlrasound but as she is only about 6 weeks (according to the doctor, we had calculated around 4) nothing was visible apart from the amniotic sack.

The gyno did a speculum exam and the cervix is fully closed which she said is excellent as if a MC was in progress it wouldn't be.

There is no pressure pain on the abdomen either however she couldn't rule out an ectopic pregnancy as yet as the foetus isn't visible yet.

The doc said the spotting could be implantation bleeding, apparently this can occur anywhere up to 9 weeks after the first positive result which we hadn't a clue about.

Booked in for an internal scan for middle of next week to rule out an ectopic pregnancy, hopefully it will show up that everything is as it should be.

Still a little bit worried but feeling very relieved too.

Fingers crossed and thinking of you both, it's great that you are being looked after in the hospital. Try no to worry to much over the weekend and look after each other.

Ruailebuile · 16-04-2016 11:43AM

Emmal14 wrote: »

This thread has been fab to follow just to see that we can all support each other! Had my mri done on thursday to check for pcos and then went for physio. My pelvic floor muscles are tight but the physio thinks i may have an extra thick hymen blocking part of the way potentially. So that would be surgery to remove. The mri should hopefully shed some light on that! Got a thermometer to temp etc but realistically just gonna track my cycle this month until i hear back from the gynae & physio. How is everyone else getting on?

Great to hear that you are moving along with your investigations Emma, hopefully the mri will shed some light for you and would be great if the physio could help rather than surgery but at least you have an idea of what's going on. I'm going to my GP for some more bloods on Monday after having an initial appt with the fertility clinic. Hoping everything comes back clear and I"m very curious to know if I ovulated this cycle as I'm not sure I did. Not bothering with opk's anymore and just going to continue to temp which I fend really interesting. Hoping the bfp is not too far off!

geez · 16-04-2016 11:56AM

Sounds postive Saul t nutzz hope all goes well for ye.
Emma that sounds like great progression keep moving is what my gynae says!

Toots · 16-04-2016 12:44PM

Saul T Nutzz wrote: »

We went to the Coombe this evening.

They did an utlrasound but as she is only about 6 weeks (according to the doctor, we had calculated around 4) nothing was visible apart from the amniotic sack.

The gyno did a speculum exam and the cervix is fully closed which she said is excellent as if a MC was in progress it wouldn't be.

There is no pressure pain on the abdomen either however she couldn't rule out an ectopic pregnancy as yet as the foetus isn't visible yet.

The doc said the spotting could be implantation bleeding, apparently this can occur anywhere up to 9 weeks after the first positive result which we hadn't a clue about.

Booked in for an internal scan for middle of next week to rule out an ectopic pregnancy, hopefully it will show up that everything is as it should be.

Still a little bit worried but feeling very relieved too.

Fingers crossed everything goes ok Saul. I bled for weeks at the very start of my pregnancy and everything was fine. It probably aged me by about a decade though! The stress! I had several internal scans just to make sure everything was ok. Apparently it's way more common than people realise, my MIL told me it happened her on all of her kids (7 of them!!) still doesn't make it any less scary though.

Scousemouse83 · 16-04-2016 12:58PM

Saul T Nutzz wrote: »

We went to the Coombe this evening.

They did an utlrasound but as she is only about 6 weeks (according to the doctor, we had calculated around 4) nothing was visible apart from the amniotic sack.

The gyno did a speculum exam and the cervix is fully closed which she said is excellent as if a MC was in progress it wouldn't be.

There is no pressure pain on the abdomen either however she couldn't rule out an ectopic pregnancy as yet as the foetus isn't visible yet.

The doc said the spotting could be implantation bleeding, apparently this can occur anywhere up to 9 weeks after the first positive result which we hadn't a clue about.

Booked in for an internal scan for middle of next week to rule out an ectopic pregnancy, hopefully it will show up that everything is as it should be.

Still a little bit worried but feeling very relieved too.

Fingers crossed for you both, I know many women who bled intermittently especially at the start. Thinking of you both! Hope you both rest up this weekend and let us know how the scan goes next week!

Scousemouse83 · 16-04-2016 12:59PM

Emmal14 wrote: »

This thread has been fab to follow just to see that we can all support each other! Had my mri done on thursday to check for pcos and then went for physio. My pelvic floor muscles are tight but the physio thinks i may have an extra thick hymen blocking part of the way potentially. So that would be surgery to remove. The mri should hopefully shed some light on that! Got a thermometer to temp etc but realistically just gonna track my cycle this month until i hear back from the gynae & physio. How is everyone else getting on?

That's great Emma to have the plan and treatment in progress. It's such a great thread indeed!

Scousemouse83 · 16-04-2016 01:03PM

Ruailebuile wrote: »

Great to hear that you are moving along with your investigations Emma, hopefully the mri will shed some light for you and would be great if the physio could help rather than surgery but at least you have an idea of what's going on. I'm going to my GP for some more bloods on Monday after having an initial appt with the fertility clinic. Hoping everything comes back clear and I"m very curious to know if I ovulated this cycle as I'm not sure I did. Not bothering with opk's anymore and just going to continue to temp which I fend really interesting. Hoping the bfp is not too far off!

I'm deciding if I shud just get to know my body now and not use opk! Ask yo get a copy of your blood results too just to check as gp's have different normal values compared to conceiving levels especially thyroid functions.

Ruailebuile · 17-04-2016 10:58AM

Scousemouse83 wrote: »

I'm deciding if I shud just get to know my body now and not use opk! Ask yo get a copy of your blood results too just to check as gp's have different normal values compared to conceiving levels especially thyroid functions.

Thank you that's really good to know, I didn't realise there was such variation in what was considered normal.

Toots · 17-04-2016 12:53PM

Well after several days of flashing smileys I've now got a negative OPK, so it would appear that I had about 7 days of 'peak' but didn't actually ovulate (temping confirms no ovulation) So I'm probably going to have to go to my GP.

fits · 17-04-2016 01:15PM

Ovulation often doesn't look obvious on the temps until a few days after. The line doesn't appear on ff for me until say four days after. So maybe it will appear yet. Might be no harm to get checked all the same. If you get bloods done end of next week your progesterone levels should indicate too.

Also you could be ovulating today and getting a temperature dip with it.

Neyite · 17-04-2016 01:22PM

Toots, sometimes the LH surge can be only hours long so if it happened say while you were at work or sleeping the opk would miss it.

It happened me for about 6 months but because I was getting bloods and scans done for three of those it was confirmed I did ovulate consistently those months even though my dip sticks were showing me nothing.

Hopeful2016 · 17-04-2016 01:32PM

Has anyone had a supplement called Inoself recommended to them? My doctor (fertility/early pregnancy loss specialist) recommended it if I didn't want to go down the hormonal route of regulating ovulation. Said it helps to improve ovulation naturally, apparently it's all natural and no side effects. I've never heard of it before and there's very little info on it online apart for the company's own website so I'm kinda wary of it. The doctor who recommended gets very positive reviews online from other couples and is not affiliated with any clinics and is known for trying to minimise costs of treatment for patients where possible so I don't think he is has any ulterior motives for recommending it. I'm just surprised there is nothing online about it if it is as helpful as he says it is.

fits · 17-04-2016 01:37PM

Never heard of it until yesterday. Seems on a brief look to have some basis in science anyway. But i dont know if journals publications are in are well regarded. Might be worth a shot.

Toots · 17-04-2016 03:27PM

fits wrote: »

Ovulation often doesn't look obvious on the temps until a few days after. The line doesn't appear on ff for me until say four days after. So maybe it will appear yet. Might be no harm to get checked all the same. If you get bloods done end of next week your progesterone levels should indicate too.

Also you could be ovulating today and getting a temperature dip with it.

Neyite wrote: »

Toots, sometimes the LH surge can be only hours long so if it happened say while you were at work or sleeping the opk would miss it.

It happened me for about 6 months but because I was getting bloods and scans done for three of those it was confirmed I did ovulate consistently those months even though my dip sticks were showing me nothing.

The thing is my CM hasn't been 'fertile' at all for about the last 5 days. The first few days it was watery to egg-white, but then nothing. I'm on CD33 now. Fertility Friend initially said it detected ovulation on CD10 because I had a sharp temperature dip, but I'd only finished my period 3 days prior to that so I don't think that was correct.

fits · 17-04-2016 03:30PM

CM is not necessarily reliable either. It can be really variable.

Generally if you have ovulated period wont arrive much more than fourteen days later.

Toots · 17-04-2016 03:38PM

I suppose it's a waiting game now, I'm hoping it does arrive because I'm going away at the end of may so if it came in the next week or two it'd be unlikely to come again until after I'm home from holidays.

Is a blood test really the only way to tell for sure if I've ovulated?

Scousemouse83 · 17-04-2016 03:58PM

Hopeful2016 wrote: »

Has anyone had a supplement called Inoself recommended to them? My doctor (fertility/early pregnancy loss specialist) recommended it if I didn't want to go down the hormonal route of regulating ovulation. Said it helps to improve ovulation naturally, apparently it's all natural and no side effects. I've never heard of it before and there's very little info on it online apart for the company's own website so I'm kinda wary of it. The doctor who recommended gets very positive reviews online from other couples and is not affiliated with any clinics and is known for trying to minimise costs of treatment for patients where possible so I don't think he is has any ulterior motives for recommending it. I'm just surprised there is nothing online about it if it is as helpful as he says it is.

Just had a look online too couldn't see much unless by the company itself. That would the only point that I would find unusual as there should be more on trials and funding although herbal treatments are classed differently. I'd want to know more did he give you any information?

Scousemouse83 · 17-04-2016 04:03PM

Toots wrote: »

Well after several days of flashing smileys I've now got a negative OPK, so it would appear that I had about 7 days of 'peak' but didn't actually ovulate (temping confirms no ovulation) So I'm probably going to have to go to my GP.

My friend thought she wasn't ovulating for the same reason! Then found out she was, it's the reason my gp hates opk. They can miss it and give a false picture of ovulation. But I'd still go to the gp find out for sure.

Toots · 17-04-2016 04:24PM

Scousemouse83 wrote: »

My friend thought she wasn't ovulating for the same reason! Then found out she was, it's the reason my gp hates opk. They can miss it and give a false picture of ovulation. But I'd still go to the gp find out for sure.

Can you ovulate but not get your period? I'm just wondering cos my last 3 cycles have been round about 100 days, so I'd assume I've only ovulated once in each of them?

fits · 17-04-2016 04:33PM

I think if you ovulate you will get a period around two weeks later. But you can get periods without ovulation ( sometimes called estrogen breakthrough bleeding).
I can't really tell about your situation as I have the opposite problem really short cycles. Were you diagnosed with PCOS?

Scousemouse83 · 17-04-2016 05:23PM

Toots wrote: »

Can you ovulate but not get your period? I'm just wondering cos my last 3 cycles have been round about 100 days, so I'd assume I've only ovulated once in each of them?

As far as I know unless you have pcos you will get a period.

Hopeful2016 · 17-04-2016 05:50PM

Scousemouse83 wrote: »

Just had a look online too couldn't see much unless by the company itself. That would the only point that I would find unusual as there should be more on trials and funding although herbal treatments are classed differently. I'd want to know more did he give you any information?

No, nothing other than it helps to metabolise carbohydrates better and regulate hormones for a better ovulation. I'm reluctant to take them without knowing more tho he is a very reputable gynaecologist in the mid-west so I guess I'd take some comfort from that.

Neyite · 17-04-2016 05:51PM

Hopeful2016 wrote: »

Has anyone had a supplement called Inoself recommended to them? My doctor (fertility/early pregnancy loss specialist) recommended it if I didn't want to go down the hormonal route of regulating ovulation. Said it helps to improve ovulation naturally, apparently it's all natural and no side effects. I've never heard of it before and there's very little info on it online apart for the company's own website so I'm kinda wary of it. The doctor who recommended gets very positive reviews online from other couples and is not affiliated with any clinics and is known for trying to minimise costs of treatment for patients where possible so I don't think he is has any ulterior motives for recommending it. I'm just surprised there is nothing online about it if it is as helpful as he says it is.

Funnily enough my neighbour said her gynae recommends Inofolic, and suggested it to me for my issues. But, like that, I couldn't find much online about it, and my neighbour is very into alternative medicines, follows a raw food diet, and a few other ideas I'd consider to be a bit...dubious. A quick google suggests that they are similar things? Either way, I have no PCOS issues so I didn't see the point for me. I'm quite wary of natural remedies that would have scant testing or usage data, so say, the likes of Maca was used for centuries as a fertility booster, I'd consider, rather than something brand new, if you know what I mean.

Either way at the moment though, since I'm on fertility meds, my specialist warns against mixing them with anything - natural or untested especially as they have no data on contraindications when mixed with fertility meds.

fits · 17-04-2016 06:17PM

There are a good few studies listed here. Mainly related to diabetes, insulin resistance, metabolic syndrome and PCOS. If your doc is recommending it... Id probably try it. Wouldnt suit the likes of me though.

http://www.inoself.com/#!inoself-scientific-studies/g35w5

Toots · 17-04-2016 06:55PM

fits wrote: »

I think if you ovulate you will get a period around two weeks later. But you can get periods without ovulation ( sometimes called estrogen breakthrough bleeding).
I can't really tell about your situation as I have the opposite problem really short cycles. Were you diagnosed with PCOS?

I wasn't diagnosed with it, but I'd be very surprised if I didn't have it. I had asked my doctor about it and had a full blood panel done and apparently it was all normal. I certainly have a lot of the symptoms anyway.

Hopeful2016 · 17-04-2016 07:15PM

Neyite wrote: »

Funnily enough my neighbour said her gynae recommends Inofolic, and suggested it to me for my issues. But, like that, I couldn't find much online about it, and my neighbour is very into alternative medicines, follows a raw food diet, and a few other ideas I'd consider to be a bit...dubious. A quick google suggests that they are similar things? Either way, I have no PCOS issues so I didn't see the point for me. I'm quite wary of natural remedies that would have scant testing or usage data, so say, the likes of Maca was used for centuries as a fertility booster, I'd consider, rather than something brand new, if you know what I mean.

Either way at the moment though, since I'm on fertility meds, my specialist warns against mixing them with anything - natural or untested especially as they have no data on contraindications when mixed with fertility meds.

fits wrote: »

There are a good few studies listed here. Mainly related to diabetes, insulin resistance, metabolic syndrome and PCOS. If your doc is recommending it... Id probably try it. Wouldnt suit the likes of me though.

http://www.inoself.com/#!inoself-scientific-studies/g35w5

Yeah its marketed as treatment for pcos, which I don't have, and gestational diabetes which I obvs don't have

but he said it can also help achieve a "better" ovulation and he thinks this can help with cases of early MC (which is why I'm attending him). He thinks early MC can be down to a poor ovulation. He said could go down the hormonal route or keep trying naturally and take this supplement. He was fairly adamant that it was unlikely the our 2 MCs were bad luck as per the hospital's advice and that it was more likely to be poor ovulation.

fits · 17-04-2016 08:02PM

Id love to know what exactly he means by poor ovulation.

Hopeful2016 · 17-04-2016 08:11PM

fits wrote: »

Id love to know what exactly he means by poor ovulation.

I don't know to be honest but I have heard the term before. He prescribed progesterone and aspirin too so think I'm going to try those before going down the hormonal route. Taking a break this month as going no on hols in 2 weeks and don't want to be dealing with it while I'm away.

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