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Nintendo Switch (Nintendo's next console)

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    CastorTroy wrote: »
    cross gen purchase

    Nintendo HQ at the thoughts of cross purchasing

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,395 ✭✭✭✭sligeach


    Nintendo will hate the idea but they have to do cross platform purchasing. They will not get away with it for another generation. And seeing as they're working on creating a common architecture for all platforms they've no excuse now.

    Quotes from Iwata:

    "Last year we also started a project to integrate the architecture for our future platforms. What we mean by integrating platforms is not integrating handhelds devices and home consoles to make only one machine. What we are aiming at is to integrate the architecture to form a common basis for software development so that we can make software assets more transferrable, and operating systems and their build-in applications more portable, regardless of form factor or performance of each platform. They will also work to avoid software lineup shortages or software development delays which tend to happen just after the launch of new hardware.Some time ago it was technologically impossible to have the same architecture for handheld devices and home consoles and what we did was therefore reasonable. Although it has not been long since we began to integrate the architecture and this will have no short-term result, we believe that it will provide a great benefit to our platform business in the long run. I am covering this topic as today is our Corporate Management Policy Briefing.

    "For example, currently it requires a huge amount of effort to port Wii software to Nintendo 3DS because not only their resolutions but also the methods of software development are entirely different. The same thing happens when we try to port Nintendo 3DS software to Wii U. If the transition of software from platform to platform can be made simpler, this will help solve the problem of game shortages in the launch periods of new platforms.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    They'll do it alright, but it'll kill them to do it (plus I really wouldn't be surprised to see them introduce a nominal fee for the privilege, ala the Wii to Wii U VC charges)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,431 ✭✭✭MilesMorales1


    Still no real news? We're only 2 months from E3!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,692 ✭✭✭✭Mr E


    I suspect that a lot of the news will be held back until E3.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,312 ✭✭✭druss


    CastorTroy wrote: »
    Was just thinking, what are the chances of them making Zelda a cross gen purchase? So something like if you buy the NX version you get a download code for Wii U version?

    Surely the other way around is the way that this type of offer would make sense?

    1- People are unlikely to buy a Wii U just to play the new Zelda game, if it is launching in same time frame on a new console.
    2 - despite the relatively low customer base, they will want Wii U owners to consider purchasing an NX.
    3. Zelda will be a relative flop on Wii U if most Wii U owners are thinking "sure I'll wait till I upgrade".

    So take a bit of a hit on NX software sales, but drive Wii U software sales and NX hardware sales?

    And also an Amiibo that will transfer save data or something.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 34,806 CMod ✭✭✭✭CiDeRmAn


    Zelda will only be a flop if the uptake in the NX is extremely high.
    Zelda fans aren't interested in waiting months or longer before getting their teeth into the latest Hyrule adventure, and a significant percentage of WiiU owners aren't going to be jumping on the NX bandwagon upon launch.
    With this in mind it is likely that Zelda is going to be a massive seller on the WiiU, with the NX being more of a slow burner, given that most new Nintendo home hardware at that point is likely to be NX rather than WiiU, and those owners will inevitably buy Zelda for their NX's, seeing as the series is free from the constraints of annual updates, similar to the Mario Kart and Smash Bros franchises.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    One thing's for sure, I'm not making the Twilight Princess mistake again...I'll be buying it on both formats at retail

    /collector sickness


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 34,806 CMod ✭✭✭✭CiDeRmAn


    Yeah, I got anxious just thinking that there was a GC version of Twilight Princess out there that I didn't yet own, despite owning and finished it on the Wii.
    Many years later and that void in my soul was filled.....
    No such anxiety has set in about the WiiU version of TP though, maybe someday.
    Zelda for the U and NX though, if the western rpg suggestions are true then the more powerful console will be the one to own, with the other probably having frame rate or other issues, or compromises to enable it to run smoothly on the WiiU hardware while the NX just spools it out like caramel.....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    CiDeRmAn wrote: »
    No such anxiety has set in about the WiiU version of TP though, maybe someday.

    That special edition is calling to you, complete the TP Trilogy...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,813 ✭✭✭TPD


    If the nx can play wii u games, I'll likely get one shortly after launch. If not, it'll probably be a few years down the line - mighty pile of unfinished Wii u games staring at me.

    Will be handy if the Wii u gamepad isn't needed for backwards compatibility too - could give/lend the Wii u and games I've finished to my sister.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,407 ✭✭✭Pac1Man


    Myrddin wrote: »
    That special edition is calling to you, complete the TP Trilogy...

    Don't you mean Triforce?



    25791117303_3c1de90bed_t.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,395 ✭✭✭✭sligeach


    Emily Rodgers had a Tweet saying that the NX will have a better library in 1 year than Wii U managed in 4 years. Make of that what you will.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,220 ✭✭✭✭CastorTroy


    I don't plan on buying an NX right away.

    That is until they announce it's bundled with an exclusive Amiibo/artbook/steelbook that I don't want.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,431 ✭✭✭MilesMorales1


    I'm a sucker for early adoption, so I'll be there day 1.

    I mean when they say 'a better library' that could also mean remakes/remasters to pad things out. I have no objection to that at all mind, love me a nice remaster.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,407 ✭✭✭Pac1Man


    We need an Eternal Darkness remaster at this stage. That would be some nice padding!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,220 ✭✭✭✭CastorTroy


    Well if they want to try and persuade me to buy one by launching it along with a Metroid Prime Trilogy HD remake, I'll let them. :-)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,014 ✭✭✭✭Corholio


    Rodgers gets about 1 in 10 things right and when she's wrong she's been spectacularly wrong. I also don't recall any thing that she was 'right' about that she actually broke. The Devil's Third and Star Fox stories from her were online car crash journalism at it's worst.

    Also anyone that's a friend of Liam 'Doctor Cupcakes' Robertson shouldn't be taken very seriously at all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 697 ✭✭✭kevin2me


    Myrddin wrote: »
    One thing's for sure, I'm not making the Twilight Princess mistake again...I'll be buying it on both formats at retail

    /collector sickness

    hahaha Its a sickness right :)

    Im still keeping an eye out for Gamecube version very time I visit a second hand store or carboot sales :) Cant believe I didnt buy it on GC!


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 34,806 CMod ✭✭✭✭CiDeRmAn


    kevin2me wrote: »
    hahaha Its a sickness right :)

    Im still keeping an eye out for Gamecube version very time I visit a second hand store or carboot sales :) Cant believe I didnt buy it on GC!

    Do what I did.
    Be patient and get it from CEX, just watch their site, and then snap it up!
    That said, I drove to Talla-fornia to get mine, with it though.
    Edit : Actually, seems they are looking for €70 for a copy! Seems steep!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,431 ✭✭✭MilesMorales1


    More rumours from neogaf, pinch of salt blah blah blah
    Originally Posted by 10k

    Ok, this is my first time posting any kind of rumor, leak, or insider information, whatever you want to call it. While I believe the info to be true, things can always change at the last minute and then I look like an asshole who lied. I have more than one source and this post will basically contain things I've heard, conversations I've had with people in the know (other insiders, devs, writers, etc). To make this easier, I think I'll do a tiered rumor ranking, where a T1 (Tier 1) means one source told me this, T2 means two, T3 means three, and T4 means at least four sources or more told me or others the same thing. So T4 rumors have multiple sources and are likely more credible than a T1, but that doesn’t necessarily mean a T1 is false. The bolded parts will be the rumor, the text after it will be additional info mixed with some of my opinion, and the sources thoughts.

    Also, while I was writing this short essay I asked my new sources about the May 9th NX reveal date, they said they'd look into it.

    Remember, I'm no journalist or english major :p

    T4 Rumors
    The NX will be more powerful than the PS4. "By a noticeable amount". From the CPU, to GPU, to RAM. Sources don't know the clock speeds, or memory type or amount of memory. But if the CPU is 15-30% stronger than PS4 as alluded to by LCGeek, than the GPU would need to match that bump in order to not bottleneck (Nintendo hates their bottlenecks).

    The Wii U Remasters. 100% confirmed Smash Bros 4 will come to NX, no word on if you can play with Wii U players.

    Zelda is 100% confirmed and not really big news :P

    Now here is where things get interesting. One source said 100% for sure Mario Maker was coming to NX. Another source said 50%. Why 50%? Well, they can confirm it's in development, Nintendo is struggling to transfer over player data and doesn't want all courses to be lost. Hell, courses are being mysteriously deleted on Wii U already lol.

    The fourth remaster is Splatoon. This one was given 50% chance from two sources and 99% from one source lol. The reasons again are, Nintendo is struggling to transfer all player data and make it cross-compatible with Wii U players as well. It is in development though. They should have all he DLC included.

    So, Zelda and Smash for sure, Mario Maker and Splatoon maybe. If Nintendo can't get it working they may scrap it.

    Smash is rumored for launch along with Zelda (day or window wasn’t specified). Not sure on Mario Maker or Splatoon.

    What's interesting about this is Splatoon and Mario Maker heavily use touch controls and motion controls. While I certainly expect the NX controller to use gyroscope and accelerometers (since even the DS4, Wii U gamepad, Wii remotes and 3DS use it) this may indicate that there will be a screen in the NX controller. None of my sources indicated troubled development of splatoon and mario maker were controls related, so either it has a screen controller or the second screen support hinted at by the reddit leaker in the OP was right and there will be some kind of optional screen controller or smartglass like features.

    T2 Rumors
    NDA's are tight as hell. This one is obvious. But I just wanted to add to it. While fellow posters like Rosti have indicated how heavy they are, my own sources and people I don't even know have warned me privately to watch what I post here (this was all within the last couple of hours lol). One source said they know more Nintendo hardware people than software people, yet the only leaks they've been able to get is on the software side. Not a peep from the hardware guys.

    I even had people asking what the contents of my post were going to be, if names, job positions, marketing budgets (lol) were going to be posted. A lot of people got very worried, including my sources, the fear of Nintendo is real. They are cracking down. The fake leaks aren't helping either.

    As someone who just started snooping for NX info and asking questions out of general curiosity for being a fan, I wasn't expecting this much info over the last two weeks or so. But, now that I am, I want to gain my sources respect and so I didn't want divulge their identity or even reveal their gender. I hope this post has gained their trust, and know that their ID's are safe and sound with me.

    T1 Rumors
    NX SDK's are out there right now and my sources can confirm dev's have them, so don't worry too much about when you hear stuff like nobody has a dev kit yet.
    The NX is easy to port too. This is big because Nintendo consoles have usually been hard to develop or and only mastered by Nintendo's internal teams. Apparently, some dev's are having no trouble porting current gen games over. It's a quick process and dev's seem to be happy about it.

    The NX architecture is under NDA but is highly speculated to be x86. I disagreed with them on this but they made some excellent points about how porting from ARM to x86 (handheld to console) and x86 to x86 (current PS4 and XB1 games to NX) is very easy, while it's a bit more tricky to go from x86 to ARM (console to handheld). It certainly matches what the reddit leaker posted.
    Based off my high school programming skills and some research, it seems like x86 to ARM does require more work, x86 is 64-bit and ARM is 32-bit. But any decent compiler supports 64-bit math on ARM. The dev's mainly recompile the code into ARM, and then the integer values get changed, and fix any errors that come up, recompile again, see if it works, rinse and repeat. It's not as important or inefficient as people think, especially for larger devs. Besides, ARM is heavily supported and the more worked on architecture. So don't get too focused on if it's x86 or ARM. In the end, as long as it's not ****ty PowerPC (Nintendo, please, no) it'll be fine. It won't be the reason Nintendo won't get third party ports, if anything, NX sales will.

    One thing that contradicts x86, and this is an indirect source, but a coder who works specifically for Nintendo laughed off GAF's focus on x86 and how we know nothing. Please don’t go looking for them, DetectiveGAF, let them keep their job. So, that, combined with ARM likely being in the handheld, makes me believe the NX will use ARM. But like I said, at the end of the day it doesn't really matter.

    Nobody knows anything about the handheld. At least, not any of my sources or their sources. Not even sure if NX refers to the handheld as well or if that has a different codename. It's speculated that it will still get some exclusive games, but won't get many console games downported (referring to the shared games library) while the console could theoretically play them all (maybe lending support to x86 and ARM inside the NX, having the handheld guts inside, but that sounds very expensive and I doubt it). The console seems to be the main focus of Nintendo right now and the New 3DS, along with the 2016 lineup of 3DS, has afforded them that luxury.

    I hope you enjoy this post and it provides lots of healthy discussion. I told you it wasn't major news, but you got hyped anyways. It's my first time doing this and it was fun, and sorry if it took awhile but verification and clarity were important to me.

    Remember, grain of salt.

    Come at me, Nintendo.
    Tl;DR
    -NX is more powerful than PS4
    -Splatoon and Mario Maker ports are in development (though might not get released)
    -Smash and Zelda ports are also things but this isn't new information
    -NDAs are tight
    -Architecture is also under NDA
    -Handheld isn't the main focus if there is one

    This was backed up by famed insider Emily Rogers (credit to Georly for the screencap)

    Some of this sounds like educated guesswork, like Zelda being ported and what not.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 34,806 CMod ✭✭✭✭CiDeRmAn


    I'm surprised not to see MK8 GotY edition not included, must be a cert for the NX as a remaster.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,395 ✭✭✭✭sligeach


    Corholio wrote: »
    Rodgers gets about 1 in 10 things right and when she's wrong she's been spectacularly wrong. I also don't recall any thing that she was 'right' about that she actually broke. The Devil's Third and Star Fox stories from her were online car crash journalism at it's worst.

    Also anyone that's a friend of Liam 'Doctor Cupcakes' Robertson shouldn't be taken very seriously at all.

    In fairness she has a better hit rate than that. She wasn't alone in the story about Devil's Third and NOA's silence spoke volumes as did its subsequent release. And Star Fox? I don't know if you're referring to this but I think it's a good article.


    https://dromble.wordpress.com/2014/03/15/why-rebooting-star-fox-isnt-easy-for-nintendo/


    I agree with it and I wouldn't pick Star Fox as one of my Top 10 Nintendo franchises either. Emily in fairness gets more right than wrong. She was the first to say we were getting a new Paper Mario on Wii U.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,220 ✭✭✭✭CastorTroy


    I don't think the Uncharted multiplayer games were cross gen, but were games like Titanfall and Call of Duty? Just curious how hard cross gen play would be


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,431 ✭✭✭MilesMorales1


    The uncharted remasters never included the multiplayer :pac: I'm reasonably sure titanfall was off the top of my head.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,120 ✭✭✭Wright


    WiiU's aren't that cheap are they! NX is pretty much confirmed to not be backwards compatible now because they're finally leaving PowerPC, so I'm in the market for one. Smyths had a great bundle deal about 8 or so months back but no sign now. Seems to be the best deal everywhere is 350 for a 32gb, and digital MK8 and Splatoon, which is dear IMO. Not to mention Splatoon is pretty much confirmed to be one of four titles getting an NX port (along with Mario Maker and Zelda U). Not into buying second hand to be honest, been burned too many times.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,276 ✭✭✭readyletsgo


    Wright wrote: »
    WiiU's aren't that cheap are they! NX is pretty much confirmed to not be backwards compatible now because they're finally leaving PowerPC, so I'm in the market for one. Smyths had a great bundle deal about 8 or so months back but no sign now. Seems to be the best deal everywhere is 350 for a 32gb, and digital MK8 and Splatoon, which is dear IMO. Not to mention Splatoon is pretty much confirmed to be one of four titles getting an NX port (along with Mario Maker and Zelda U). Not into buying second hand to be honest, been burned too many times.

    The only thing that is confirmed as of right this second is two letters, NX. Nothing else until Nintendo speak about it, prob at the end of this month.

    WiiU ports are a given and they will be spread out in the launch year of the NX, not all at launch, which would be stupid.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,120 ✭✭✭Wright


    The only thing that is confirmed as of right this second is two letters, NX. Nothing else until Nintendo speak about it, prob at the end of this month.

    WiiU ports are a given and they will be spread out in the launch year of the NX, not all at launch, which would be stupid.

    I look forward to you eating that big plate of crow! :pac: But there is plenty that is pretty much a given about it at this point.

    Smash 4 and Zelda U for instance, are confirmed launch ports.

    They're having difficulty with Splatoon and Mario Maker, getting WiiU data over to the NX so no data will be lost, so those two titles are not 100% yet.

    It's more powerful than a PS4. Unsure if its X86 or (benefitting the hybrid play) ARM based. They're not focussed on the handheld component now, sounds like its coming later. Because Mario Maker/Splatoon are present in the current line-up, the controller should have some kind of screen and gyro in it though. It's very very easy to port to, and companies have had no problems doing so with their current gen titles. There are dev kits out there.

    We actually know quite a bit about it. Supposedly April 27th for unveiling of the console/name at least, but not sure where that date is coming from, perhaps a Direct? That's the one detail I'm not sure on and could be incorrect info.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,120 ✭✭✭✭Star Lord


    Nintendo haven't confirmed anything as of yet though, so everything you've heard, other than the NX name being the working title for the new platform, is rumour. Granted some may turn out to be true, but don't take anything as 'confirmed' at this stage.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,491 ✭✭✭Ryath


    Wright wrote: »
    WiiU's aren't that cheap are they! NX is pretty much confirmed to not be backwards compatible now because they're finally leaving PowerPC, so I'm in the market for one. Smyths had a great bundle deal about 8 or so months back but no sign now. Seems to be the best deal everywhere is 350 for a 32gb, and digital MK8 and Splatoon, which is dear IMO. Not to mention Splatoon is pretty much confirmed to be one of four titles getting an NX port (along with Mario Maker and Zelda U). Not into buying second hand to be honest, been burned too many times.

    From a quick look this doesn't seem to bad Wii U Premium with splatoon fo €258
    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Wii-Premium-Pack-Splatoon-Nintendo/dp/B00XO0LDR2/ref=sr_1_10?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1460553996&sr=1-10&keywords=wii+u

    Just doesn't seem to be the bargains out there was.


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