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Wedding vendor goes ballistic.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,980 ✭✭✭wyrn


    We don't know if they had been haggling about the price, that's all hearsay. It's only coming from one side and there's no proof.

    The bride just asked if the two issues were normal in a closed online group. She wanted some clarification on her assumption (child price) and what's the norm for paying the hotel. She never complained about it or mentioned the venue or location. There was absolutely no indication that she wasn't going to pay or couldn't pay. It was Kelly who started making allegations and posting her contract information online. The bride has been very dignified throughout, unlike Kelly who is meant to be the professional.

    Regardless of what MIGHT have gone on before this post (the allegations of the bride being a bridezilla and quibbling over everything), it doesn't allow Kelly to act the way she did. We don't know if the bride was a handful before hand and it really doesn't matter.

    Now if Kelly apologised for her outburst, this could have gone away very quickly. Instead she kept posting and posting her anger against the bride. Kelly then posted the details on the castle's open Facebook page, twitter and website. Whereas the bride has not once public bitched about the Castle, her contract or the staff.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,252 ✭✭✭✭uck51js9zml2yt


    This is going to cost the castle big time in relation to its future lack of business and court fees and compensation to the bride!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,206 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    Its getting even more bizarre. The Laird is now saying that the outburst was driven because the Bride racially abused Kelly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,302 ✭✭✭Gatica


    anewme wrote: »
    The fact that she had been haggling for weeks behind the scenes before posing the question on the Boards is relevant though.

    Kellys son said that the Bride was looking to change the terms of the contract.

    I just find it very telling that the question is only being posed when the payment is due.

    As I've mentioned before there could any number of reasons why they were in discussions over the package. The bride also mentioned that there were ongoing issues with the venue, but didn't detail what. It could be the bride, the castle or both.
    We don't know the details of it, other than Kelly's claims that some brides were trying to get out of contracts, that some other random person punched her, etc.. all completely irrelevant info that makes anything that she says that could be relevant hard to believe in the first place.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,539 ✭✭✭anothernight


    anewme wrote: »
    Its getting even more bizarre. The Laird is now saying that the outburst was driven because the Bride racially abused Kelly.

    Don't you know? "American" is apparently a race. :p


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,420 ✭✭✭esforum


    Don't you know? "American" is apparently a race. :p

    well it kinda is, Native American :)
    This is going to cost the castle big time in relation to its future lack of business and court fees and compensation to the bride!

    I wouldnt be too sure on any counts. People have short memories and even less will be aware of this situation in a year or two. The Castle probable already has the next years worth of bookings already tied down.

    I dont think it will get to court either, a complaint will be made, they will plead guilty, get a warning, small fine and that will be it. Dont think any significent compensation will be awarded if any.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,302 ✭✭✭Gatica


    esforum wrote: »
    I dont think it will get to court either, a complaint will be made, they will plead guilty, get a warning, small fine and that will be it. Dont think any significent compensation will be awarded if any.

    yeah, this side of the atlantic people won't bother with trying to make money on it...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,539 ✭✭✭anothernight


    esforum wrote: »
    well it kinda is, Native American :)

    I was under the impression that she's a white US citizen, not Native American. Judging by pictures anyway! So a white Scottish woman is being accused of being racist towards a white American woman. Sounds legit.

    Her Facebook page now shows the confederate flag.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,302 ✭✭✭Gatica


    To be honest, it seems Kelly's husband's as bad as her and they deserve each other.
    We were met by Stuart who told me Kelly was unwell.I explained that I needed the contact numbers for the organist and piper. he was not happy and raised his voice stating it was not his fault that his wife was unwell .I repeated my request for the contact numbers. he left the room and went upstairs shouting and screaming about phone numbers his behaviour was disgraceful, he came back down and shouted as his elderly father, and unbelievably at me.! I told him in no uncertain terms that his behaviour was unacceptable .All this in the prescence of me my partner my sister and her husband, we were appalled. He then went on to complain bitterly about the family health and the pressure they were under.

    another one mentions their prices increased after the contract:
    We had pre-arranged a meeting with Kelly to pay the final balance but had an email saying that the cost of the meals had went up all of a sudden. We did not agree this and there was nothing in the leaflets to say that the cost of the meals were subject to increase.
    ...
    I would say the castle should be more organised, we need better communication, positive communication and do what was agreed to start with instead of imposing unfair t's and C's which were only constructed after payment was made.

    in response to complaints about their crappy food:
    We have always let everyone know, we are just home cooking here not highly trained Chefs. You did have a choice to have one of our outside preferred caterers to provide your meal. You could not afford that.

    also they're not foreign to a bit of "racism" themselves:
    he seating plan provided by the venue is incorrect showing more seats available that what is actually there which resulted in the complete unprofessional and rude comment from one of the staff about the Bride not being British and this being the reason they gave for the miscommunication!!!!

    so tbh, I wouldn't believe anything out of Kelly's mouth. They shouldn't be cooking for events if they don't know how to cook. Maybe stick to what they know, digging latrines or whatever it is they do in their spare time...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,420 ✭✭✭esforum


    I was under the impression that she's a white US citizen, not Native American. Judging by pictures anyway! So a white Scottish woman is being accused of being racist towards a white American woman. Sounds legit.

    Her Facebook page now shows the confederate flag.

    I apologise profusely for making a lighthearted comment in this all very very serious life or death thread.
    Gatica wrote: »
    yeah, this side of the atlantic people won't bother with trying to make money on it...

    Try or not, they will get little


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,420 ✭✭✭esforum


    Gatica wrote: »
    To be honest, it seems Kelly's husband's as bad as her and they deserve each other.



    another one mentions their prices increased after the contract:



    in response to complaints about their crappy food:



    also they're not foreign to a bit of "racism" themselves:



    so tbh, I wouldn't believe anything out of Kelly's mouth. They shouldn't be cooking for events if they don't know how to cook. Maybe stick to what they know, digging latrines or whatever it is they do in their spare time...

    Your comment was every bit as insulting as anything you quoted, kinda funny.

    Not being British is no more a racist slur than not being American. Less so possible and could merely have meant a language barrier


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,206 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    esforum wrote: »
    well it kinda is, Native American :)



    I wouldnt be too sure on any counts. People have short memories and even less will be aware of this situation in a year or two. The Castle probable already has the next years worth of bookings already tied down.

    I dont believe it will have any long term damage either. People who want to use the venue will not be put off by a Facebook spat.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,302 ✭✭✭Gatica


    esforum wrote: »
    Your comment was every bit as insulting as anything you quoted, kinda funny.

    obviously meant tongue in cheek. Their lack of customer service implies they should be in a different business... draw what conclusions you like.
    esforum wrote: »
    Not being British is no more a racist slur than not being American. Less so possible and could merely have meant a language barrier

    Exactly.. I was simply pointing out they're doing a bit of kettle/pot black. Not saying it was ok for anyone to make any insults to her based on her being American, but they can hardly pipe up about it when their staff is equally guilty of it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,612 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    I think people are getting a bit too invested into something they know nothing about. And reviews from trip advisor don't count until you have a decent number of them.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,420 ✭✭✭esforum


    Gatica wrote: »
    obviously meant tongue in cheek. Their lack of customer service implies they should be in a different business... draw what conclusions you like.



    Exactly.. I was simply pointing out they're doing a bit of kettle/pot black. Not saying it was ok for anyone to make any insults to her based on her being American, but they can hardly pipe up about it when their staff is equally guilty of it.

    fair enough


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,302 ✭✭✭Gatica


    meeeeh wrote: »
    I think people are getting a bit too invested into something they know nothing about. And reviews from trip advisor don't count until you have a decent number of them.

    I guess that's a valid point. There were a few positive wedding reviews, so probably should be mentioned. The thing that I guess made the negative experiences believable is that they were similar in the inattention of the hosts and the reviewers weren't posting a once off negative review.
    Dunno how it is some weddings fell through the cracks like that and others were done well... Perhaps they've managed to get lucky with some and things went smoothly, but if a large number of weddings don't go well, it would definitely make one uneasy if you were considering the venue. Certainly places that do that professionally and do it well, would have far fewer negatives vs good experiences.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,206 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    Gatica wrote: »
    I guess that's a valid point. There were a few positive wedding reviews, so probably should be mentioned. The thing that I guess made the negative experiences believable is that they were similar in the inattention of the hosts and the reviewers weren't posting a once off negative review.
    Dunno how it is some weddings fell through the cracks like that and others were done well... Perhaps they've managed to get lucky with some and things went smoothly, but if a large number of weddings don't go well, it would definitely make one uneasy if you were considering the venue. Certainly places that do that professionally and do it well, would have far fewer negatives vs good experiences.

    There are too many people nowadays though that use the likes of Trip Advisor, Facebook, etc as weapons against small businesses.

    The thread on here that was also posted on Trip Advisor about a Wedding Venue in Wicklow when it was the customer who was completely out of order is a typical example of this.

    I believe people are reading these reviews with a pinch of salt now and are able to read between the lines.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,302 ✭✭✭Gatica


    Yeah, unfortunately sometimes it's unfair to honest business through no fault of their own. I do try to read the positives and the negatives in the context of the writer on tripadvisor. The people that only create an account to diss a business are usually quite dubious. Often though you'd spot the nutters when the businesses issue a polite reply explaining the situation.
    We were reading some hotel reviews for an upcoming weekend in Ireland and I remember there were a couple of really unreasonable reviews. The first gave out about the slow service, which turned out to be on St Stephen's day, so of course they were gonna be busy! And another gave out about there not being full-body waxing at their spa (I kid you not!) and how could they claim to have professional spa staff, and gave out about not getting the type of room they wanted although booking through a third-party site and not specifying double/twin, refused to pay for an upgrade to get the type of room they wanted, eventually were upgraded for free and still ranted about staff being inadequate... The mind boggles.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,420 ✭✭✭esforum


    Gatica wrote: »
    Yeah, unfortunately sometimes it's unfair to honest business through no fault of their own. I do try to read the positives and the negatives in the context of the writer on tripadvisor. The people that only create an account to diss a business are usually quite dubious. Often though you'd spot the nutters when the businesses issue a polite reply explaining the situation.
    We were reading some hotel reviews for an upcoming weekend in Ireland and I remember there were a couple of really unreasonable reviews. The first gave out about the slow service, which turned out to be on St Stephen's day, so of course they were gonna be busy! And another gave out about there not being full-body waxing at their spa (I kid you not!) and how could they claim to have professional spa staff, and gave out about not getting the type of room they wanted although booking through a third-party site and not specifying double/twin, refused to pay for an upgrade to get the type of room they wanted, eventually were upgraded for free and still ranted about staff being inadequate... The mind boggles.

    This is so true, when I use tripadvisor I look at the pictures, when someone goes to a 3 star hotel and takes a hundred pictures of minor issues, you know they went looking for trouble


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