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Leinster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread VII: The Fan-base Awakens

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  • #2582
    former total
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,536 ✭✭✭former total


    "Better coaching"

    Now why didn't I think of that?


  • #2583
    neelia11
    Closed Accounts Posts: 424 ✭✭neelia11


    former total wrote: »
    "Better coaching"

    Now why didn't I think of that?

    Write a letter to Mick Dawson. Im sure he would appreciate such a novel suggestion.


  • #2584
    leinstertalk
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 131 ✭✭leinstertalk


    former total wrote: »
    "Better coaching"

    Now why didn't I think of that?

    interesting that you revert to sarcasm.


  • #2585
    leinstertalk
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 131 ✭✭leinstertalk


    neelia11 wrote: »
    Write a letter to Mick Dawson. Im sure he would appreciate such a novel suggestion.

    If Mick Dawson needs me to tell him that better underage coaching, development processes & pathways, talent identification and skill development is what leinster rugby needs..


  • #2586
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    LEAKED: A deeper look at the recently released suggestion to fix Leinster rugby forever!

    Better coaching
    Extremely good coaching
    Terrific coaching
    Tremendous coaching
    Exceedingly good coaching
    Really good coaching

    Capable coaching
    Outrageously good coaching
    Amazing coaching
    Considerably brilliant coaching
    Hilariously good coaching
    Ingenious coaching
    Never again will you see this standard of coaching
    Gosh, they are so good at coaching


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  • #2587
    leinstertalk
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 131 ✭✭leinstertalk


    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    LEAKED: A deeper look at the recently released suggestion to fix Leinster rugby forever!

    Better coaching
    Extremely good coaching
    Terrific coaching
    Tremendous coaching
    Exceedingly good coaching
    Really good coaching

    Capable coaching
    Outrageously good coaching
    Amazing coaching
    Considerably brilliant coaching
    Hilariously good coaching
    Ingenious coaching
    Never again will you see this standard of coaching
    Gosh, they are so good at coaching

    More sarcasm, interesting that you ignore all the other points and waste your time with this.

    Not sure why people get so defensive around this topic, it's clear as day leinster are underperforming in this area and that it needs addressing.


  • #2588
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    leinstertalk wrote: »
    More sarcasm, interesting that you ignore all the other points and waste your time with this.

    Not sure why people get so defensive around this topic, it's clear as day leinster are underperforming in this area and that it needs addressing.

    Surely you can see the humour in saying the answer is "better coaching"

    You should also pop down to Munster and tell Axel that Munster need to play better rugby and they'll start winning.


  • #2589
    neelia11
    Closed Accounts Posts: 424 ✭✭neelia11


    leinstertalk wrote: »
    More sarcasm, interesting that you ignore all the other points and waste your time with this.

    Not sure why people get so defensive around this topic, it's clear as day leinster are underperforming in this area and that it needs addressing.

    maybe people are fed up hearing you post the same stuff over and over, and over and over again. You offer plenty of criticism of whats wrong but little of substance to fix these 'wrongs' other then more money and better coaching.


  • #2590
    CMOTDibbler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,833 ✭✭✭CMOTDibbler


    neelia11 wrote: »
    maybe people are fed up hearing you post the same stuff over and over, and over and over again. You offer plenty of criticism of whats wrong but little of substance to fix these 'wrongs' other then more money and better coaching.
    My belief is that the academy is being reactive instead of proactive in developing players. There now seems to be a much greater emphasis on backs in the current academy which I presume is to offset the need.

    But this is fire fighting. The reason I suggest that the academy be expanded is to put a stop to this constant fire fighting and just develop players on the basis of what is there rather than what is needed. Granted this will produce a greater amount of 'wastage' but all the provinces could benefit from this after Leinster pick the cream of the crop.

    Before anyone asks, I've no 'proof' that the players are there other than the coincidental increase in intake in certain positions when they are needed. To look at the academy graduates over the last few years is to see those peaks and troughs in different positions and these can be compared almost exactly with the needs of the senior squad. Unfortunately there is a time lag between the need developing and the players arriving which points to poor planning.


  • #2591
    salmocab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,664 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    This is bloody painful, we've had two days of it can we move on at all?


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  • #2592
    CMOTDibbler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,833 ✭✭✭CMOTDibbler


    salmocab wrote: »
    This is bloody painful, we've had two days of it can we move on at all?
    To what?

    It's a discussion forum. You can discuss what you like. :P


  • #2593
    former total
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,536 ✭✭✭former total


    salmocab wrote: »
    This is bloody painful, we've had two days of it can we move on at all?

    I see Ian Madigan went to Barbados this week.


  • #2594
    salmocab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,664 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    CMOTDibbler wrote: »
    To what?

    It's a discussion forum. You can discuss what you like. :P

    But every discussion runs its course, every time I drop by there is a list of players and years beside them. At this stage its just circular, same people saying the same things.


  • #2595
    salmocab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,664 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    former total wrote: »
    I see Ian Madigan went to Barbados this week.

    Indeed, the Indo really do know how to fill column inches with absolutely nothing of interest. They really are desperate for rugby players and their partners to be of interest off the pitch.


  • #2596
    dub_skav
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,530 ✭✭✭dub_skav


    salmocab wrote: »
    At this stage its just circular, same people saying the same things.

    They're elliptical arguments 'round these parts


  • #2597
    salmocab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,664 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    dub_skav wrote: »
    They're elliptical arguments 'round these parts

    I see what you did there


  • #2598
    The Rape of Lucretia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭The Rape of Lucretia


    salmocab wrote: »
    Indeed, the Indo really do know how to fill column inches with absolutely nothing of interest. They really are desperate for rugby players and their partners to be of interest off the pitch.

    They need something to fill in on those rare days that the BOD/Amy correspondent is off.


  • #2599
    stephen_n
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,920 ✭✭✭✭stephen_n


    leinstertalk wrote: »
    Players through the academy born since 1990.

    With Leinster next season:
    Scrumhalf: Luke McGrath[1993] - Leinster
    Outhalf: Cathal Marsh[1992] - Leinster
    Centre: Noel Reid[1990] - Leinster
    Centre: Tom Daly[1993] - Leinster
    Centre: Garry Ringrose[1995] - Leinster
    Wing: Adam Byrne[1994] - Leinster

    Elsewhere:
    Scrumhalf: John Cooney[1990] - Connacht
    Outhalf/Centre: Steve Crosbie[1993] - ?
    Centre: Colm O'Shea[1991] - ?
    Centre: Brendan Macken[1991] - Wasps
    Centre: Tom Farrell[1993] - ?
    Wing/Fullback: Darren Hudson[1990] - ?
    Wing: Andrew Boyle[1991] - AIL
    Wing/Fullback: Andrew Conway[1991] - Munster
    Wing: Sam Coghlan Murray[1992] - ?
    Fullback: Billy Dardis[1995] - ?

    Players left in academy:
    Scrumhalf: Nick McCarthy[1995]
    Scrumhalf: Charlie Rock[1995]
    Outhalf: Ross Byrne[1995]
    Outhalf: Joey Carbery[1995]
    Centre: Harrison Brewer[1995]
    Wing: Ian Fitzpatrick[1994]
    Wing: Rory O'Loughlin[1994]
    Wing: Cian Kelleher[1994]
    +
    new academy backs
    Which is 6 through and 10 out, nearly 2:1 as I said.


  • #2600
    CMOTDibbler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,833 ✭✭✭CMOTDibbler


    stephen_n wrote: »
    Which is 6 through and 10 out, nearly 2:1 as I said.
    Can you count the likes of John Cooney as 'out'? He got a senior contract and then MOC pretty much dumped him in Connacht (Connacht are very happy about that). He should really still be with Leinster imo.

    In the last three years it was 6 out of 23 that left. Slightly over a quarter (or 3:1). One of those had a career ending injury.


  • #2601
    leinstertalk
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 131 ✭✭leinstertalk


    CMOTDibbler wrote: »
    Can you count the likes of John Cooney as 'out'? He got a senior contract and then MOC pretty much dumped him in Connacht (Connacht are very happy about that). He should really still be with Leinster imo.

    In the last three years it was 6 out of 23 that left. Slightly over a quarter. One of those had a career ending injury.

    Of course you can, he never pushed on to the senior team for whatever reason and is unlikely to return to Leinster.

    Again the province has been producing forwards and not backs all decade. Going into next season Leinster's academy will have produced one 1st choice back from 16 players coming through the academy, possibly two if Luke McGrath holds off the 3rd string NZer.

    Over the rest of the decade it will have to produce at least three more 1st choice players - Outhalf, Fullback, Wing. Along with some good backups at 10, 12, wing x2.

    Maybe that 10 is either Ross Byrne or Joey Carbery, that Wing is Adam Byrne or Cian Kelleher and the fullback has yet to join the academy. Or maybe will fail to develop them and NIQ's will be looked for. Given the recent track record it's likely the NIQ route if allowed.


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  • #2602
    former total
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    I see Ian Madigan went to Barbados this week.


  • #2603
    .ak
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    This is what happens when you don't qualify for the quarters in europe.


  • #2604
    leinstertalk
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    .ak wrote: »
    This is what happens when you don't qualify for the quarters in europe.

    in part because of the lack of quality backs being produced by the academy and underage system..


  • #2605
    salmocab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,664 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    former total wrote: »
    I see Ian Madigan went to Barbados this week.

    Actually that is starting to become a lot more interesting for some reason.


  • #2606
    Synode
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,967 ✭✭✭Synode


    This is getting tedious. Perhaps you should start a thread specifically about the Leinster Academy


  • #2607
    The Lost Sheep
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    Synode wrote: »
    This is getting tedious. Perhaps you should start a thread specifically about the Leinster Academy
    Like the thread below...

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056817797


  • #2608
    leinstertalk
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 131 ✭✭leinstertalk


    Synode wrote: »
    This is getting tedious. Perhaps you should start a thread specifically about the Leinster Academy

    Nothing stoping you from not reading it or starting your own discussion.


  • #2609
    Beatrice Dirty Store
    Posts: 0 ✭ Beatrice Dirty Store


    Do we get a new jersey next season anyone?

    I reckon its time to go counter-cultural (aka hipster) and get away from those functional tight yokes that were first seen in Cool Runnings.

    Back to these days please
    Bod,%20Brian%20O'%20Meara%20and%20Brian%20O'%20Driscoll%20Celtic%20League%20final%202001.jpg

    Thoughts anyone?

    Anyone?


  • #2610
    Buer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,258 ✭✭✭✭Buer


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Back to these days please

    You mean Irish produced scrum halves, yeah?


    :D


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  • #2611
    Tarf1234
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,090 ✭✭✭Tarf1234


    Buer wrote: »
    You mean Irish produced scrum halves, yeah?


    :D

    I think it was more aimed at academy produced Irish players


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