Is this generation too self-entitled?

robarmstrong · 06-04-2016 05:35PM

Excellent usage of innurrearendo's. HIRED!

JupiterKid · 06-04-2016 05:38PM

Pretty much. The young generation expect things to be handed to them. Not all - there are plenty of young people willing to make sacrifices but many others are self-entitled.

NicoleW85 · 06-04-2016 05:38PM

Alienigenis wrote:

I swear, I have nothing but respect for people who work in hotels. You lads/lasses have to deal with some horrid people/messes.

I'm 30 and had my own business for 2 years so getting straight into a Receptionist job is like a dream come true for me. It's something I've wanted to do for a long time but lack of experience held me back. I just got lucky with a fantastic team who looked past the words on paper and listened to what I had to say.

thanks so much though, you do see and hear all sorts - many times by people who are seriously self entitled haha

robarmstrong · 06-04-2016 05:40PM

Nicole my best friend's girlfriend works in a hotel and good Christ the stories she's told me! Great to see someone looked past the CV and listened to the person in front of them, sometimes companies won't budge on policies like that!

whatismyname · 06-04-2016 05:44PM

robarmstrong wrote: »

I did manage to find a "have u more details" message in my inbox which shocked me, usually if I see a job title, salary, location, hours, permanent/contract, I'm happy enough with that, what more details could have been given

I'm thinking perhaps job description, person specification etc?

Alienigenis · 06-04-2016 05:45PM

robarmstrong wrote: »

Nicole my best friend's girlfriend works in a hotel and good Christ the stories she's told me! Great to see someone looked past the CV and listened to the person in front of them, sometimes companies won't budge on policies like that!

It's arses who stick with the CV that are the reason so many school-leavers and graduates can't get jobs..
But I'm still standing~! (And searching like feck for someone that'll hire me

)

GLaDOS · 06-04-2016 05:46PM

Sounds like an issue with stupidity rather than entitlement.

Stupidity has always been around.

Cienciano · 06-04-2016 05:56PM

No, this is not new. Another thing that's not new is thinking the generation after you is too self entitled.

Alienigenis · 06-04-2016 05:58PM

ScienceNerd wrote: »

Sounds like an issue with stupidity rather than entitlement.

Stupidity has always been around.

You know what's not stupid? Your name and pic. Portal is feckin' amazing.

frozenfrozen · 06-04-2016 06:08PM

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Wesser · 06-04-2016 06:14PM

robarmstrong wrote: »

Has anyone else wondered this?

My example is I advertised a job on Facebook (my first mistake) in one of those buy and sell because it's easy enough to get responses. I put down a decent ad (requesting people to e-mail me or mail me if interested) - salary, amount of hours per week, location, job title, job description, seems grand enough to me anyways!

Que the responses - "hi i'm interested can u pm me pls" galore(my settings are so that everyone can message me). Naturally this prompted a bit of discussion between me and a friend - why in God's name would you ask someone who's advertised a job to contact you rather than just contact them/send through your CV? Bare in mind these same individuals are the same "there's no jobs" whingers that'll crib and moan yet won't actually chase after a job.

I did manage to find a "have u more details" message in my inbox which shocked me, usually if I see a job title, salary, location, hours, permanent/contract, I'm happy enough with that, what more details could have been given, maybe that the sky was blue when I wrote that advertisement? Who knows.

So is the issue here that they asked you to message them, or is the issue that they have poor English, no punctuation poor spelling and text speak.

What was the role? Was a degree needed?

Surely if you have a degree you are able to construct a sentence in English?

Alienigenis · 06-04-2016 06:23PM

Wesser wrote: »

So is the issue here that they asked you to message them, or is the issue that they have poor English, no punctuation poor spelling and text speak.

What was the role? Was a degree needed?

Surely if you have a degree you are able to construct a sentence in English?

That right there is the reason I call Facebook "The Land of A Billion Idiots"
Behold! An example!

steddyeddy · 06-04-2016 06:59PM

I taught in UCD for a bit and there are some self entitled young adults out there. Not all of them but I think the self entitlement stems from mollycoddled and we can't blame this generation 100%.

Over the years the students tended towards complaining when something was hard and expected to be spoon-fed. The courses on offer are being dumbed down continuously as a result. The parents today seem to have a fascination with paying for all of their child's rent, all of their expenses and everything else. Whatever happened to the days of getting a job? It teaches them no self sufficiency and ironically it's these students who seem to complain the most about other people getting free money, student grants and the dole.

Neon_Lights · 06-04-2016 07:05PM

I think trying to correlate poor grammar while applying for jobs and self entitledness are two completely different things.

Of course good grammar may give a good impression. It doesn't necessarily indicate that the person is self entitled or lacks skills and work ethic.

Anesthetize · 06-04-2016 07:09PM

This reminds me of one time when I was working in my uncle's shop sometime in the mid-00's. They had advertised for a new position, with a description of the job and something along the lines of "Please apply in writing...". Fair enough we got plenty of CVs posted to us, some good, some bad.

However there was one application that really stuck out. Some chap literally applied in writing. Just a piece of paper with a few sentances written on it stating that they were interested in the job, no CV.

animaal · 06-04-2016 07:35PM

People, and young people in particular, have lost respect for tradition. That can be good when it means old assumptions are questioned. On the other hand, an employer wants to know that a new employee will make an effort to fit into the company and not expect the organisation to adapt to how a 20-year-old thinks the world should work.

Having said that, I do think younger people have been given a bum deal over the past eight years. Government, unions, employers have collectively pulled up the drawbridge to keep what they have.

frozenfrozen · 06-04-2016 08:56PM

Whatever about this generation being self entitled, it's the generation ahead of this one, who now feel they are entitled to current generation working for them, in unpaid positions. These are the ones who are really full of it.

Thinking that by offering someone the opportunity to give their time for free, they are doing them a favour.

I just laugh when people tell me they can help me get a job (skilled positions) because 9 times out of 10 if anything comes from it, it's an unpaid position. Yeah I bet that'll look great on my CV -- worked 6 months at X before I starved to death. A great college lecturer who has got me (some) work in the past mentioned to me that they would ask around for me but most places are looking for people doing a masters. A masters!!! to work in a junior role!

Then telling me I should really consider going on from level7 to do a level 8 and beyond. I can't afford to still be 'unemployed' for any longer and as far as I can see a level 8 won't be the magic ticket to gainful employment.

If I had known college would lead me to this point I never would have started, I could have given someone several grand* in cash in a brown envelope and got into a position where I was trained up, 3 years ago, so now I'd be on a liveable wage. (*whatever the college registration fees up to this point have been.)

and I mean these free positions as in zero wage. there's a certain industry in Ireland where this applies, so it's not a slight at anyone in particular or minimum wage or anything. These people offer zero monies. Ridiculous.

06-04-2016 09:02PM

It's funny, I'm well-educated, personable, make sure I keep spelling and grammar correct, always suit up for an interview yet sending out over a hundred CVs for jobs and internships I only ever got 2 interviews which didn't lead to offers. It took a college work placement and a lot of luck with others finding other places for me just to get a placement let alone a job. Obviously been looking in the wrong places. Or I'm too entitled.

06-04-2016 09:12PM

frozenfrozen wrote: »

Whatever about this generation being self entitled, it's the generation ahead of this one, who now feel they are entitled to current generation working for them, in unpaid positions. These are the ones who are really full of it.

Thinking that by offering someone the opportunity to give their time for free, they are doing them a favour.

I just laugh when people tell me they can help me get a job (skilled positions) because 9 times out of 10 if anything comes from it, it's an unpaid position. Yeah I bet that'll look great on my CV -- worked 6 months at X before I starved to death. A great college lecturer who has got me (some) work in the past mentioned to me that they would ask around for me but most places are looking for people doing a masters. A masters!!! to work in a junior role!

Then telling me I should really consider going on from level7 to do a level 8 and beyond. I can't afford to still be 'unemployed' for any longer and as far as I can see a level 8 won't be the magic ticket to gainful employment.

If I had known college would lead me to this point I never would have started, I could have given someone several grand* in cash in a brown envelope and got into a position where I was trained up, 3 years ago, so now I'd be on a liveable wage. (*whatever the college registration fees up to this point have been.)

and I mean these free positions as in zero wage. there's a certain industry in Ireland where this applies, so it's not a slight at anyone in particular or minimum wage or anything. These people offer zero monies. Ridiculous.

The generation who saw no increase in unemployment and a net gain in income through the recession along with record low interest rates on their mortgages? Agreed.

El_Duderino 09 · 06-04-2016 09:45PM

screamer wrote:

Op from personal experience youre at nothing trying to hire grads. They want too much money and even if you do hire them you're just a stepping stone to their next better paid job. Remember these are the Celtic tiger cubs with a silver spoon firmly stuck where the sun doesn't shine. Hire more mature people less demanding and less attrition.

I'm one of those celtic tiger cubs and I can't agree with this post.

I was born mid 80s, went to school abd worked on building sites during the summers. After school i watched my friends get jobs and have money so they could buy things and go places and settle down to start their lives. I decided to go to uni so I worked a sh1tty part-time job and never had 2 bob to rub together.

I graduated in 2007. Continued to work crap jobs whilst applying for jobs related to my career. Still never had a bob. Then the recession proper happened so it was good to have any job, still never had a bob. Parent died so got some money to go back to uni to do a masters. Now I am early 30s, qualified and have a job. I'll be fcuked if I'll have some fusty old codger, tell me about my silver spoon 'where the sun doesn't shine' or suggest that I shouldn't negotiate for my salary.

It strikes me that people who were of working age from the mid - late 90s don't have a clue how easy they had it. Walk into a job and have solid work for 15 years. Then complain about celtic tiger cubs... Seriously?

06-04-2016 09:50PM

NicoleW85 wrote: »

I'm 30 and had my own business for 2 years so getting straight into a Receptionist job is like a dream come true for me. It's something I've wanted to do for a long time but lack of experience held me back. I just got lucky with a fantastic team who looked past the words on paper and listened to what I had to say. thanks so much though, you do see and hear all sorts - many times by people who are seriously self entitled haha

I worked in hotels for almost 10 years, loved it! Hard work and long hours but you always have a good laugh with the team.

Some people are awful job snobs though. I remember when I was about 20 (2009) and many people were unemployed due to the recession I offered to get a good few friends jobs in the hotel I worked in. People just wouldn't take these jobs! Fair enough the money wasn't the best and the work was hard, but these people were also students and had very little experience in any other work.

Ilyana 2.0 · 06-04-2016 09:53PM

I'm not sure whether this generation is completely self-entitled, but I think we were sold the idea that if we did well in school, got into a good college and worked hard for our degree, then the world was our oyster. In hindsight it's pretty naive, but when I was in secondary school, the country was still in the midst of 'the good times' and nobody was worried about finding work, affording rent etc. Then the sh*t hit the fan and now we're left with the mess that was made when we were still doing our Leaving Certs c. 2010. The recession wasn't our fault but we're paying the price for it nonetheless - lack of graduate employment, escalating rents, tighter mortgage criteria etc.

I worked part-time before and throughout my degree and never expected to have it all handed to me. Until the end of last year I had had some form of job since I was 16. It's just frustrating that I now can't even secure an interview because I don't have 3+ years' experience in the sort of job that anyone with common sense can do. All I want is full time work for slightly more than minimum wage. Anything else is a bonus, not my god-given right.

Samaris · 06-04-2016 10:01PM

"The counts of the indictment are luxury, bad manners, contempt for authority, disrespect to elders, and a love for chatter in place of exercise. …

Children began to be the tyrants, not the slaves, of their households. They no longer rose from their seats when an elder entered the room; they contradicted their parents, chattered before company, gobbled up the dainties at table, and committed various offences against Hellenic tastes, such as crossing their legs. They tyrannised over the paidagogoi and schoolmasters." - Kenneth Freeman, 1907.

Eugene Norman · 06-04-2016 10:06PM

Alienigenis wrote: »

Hah, they have some nerve to complain when every job seeker I know would be happy to even have minimum wage.

That doesn't compute. If jobs are so easy why would people be "happy with minimum wage".

Eugene Norman · 06-04-2016 10:10PM

robarmstrong wrote: »

Has anyone else wondered this?

My example is I advertised a job on Facebook (my first mistake) in one of those buy and sell because it's easy enough to get responses. I put down a decent ad (requesting people to e-mail me or mail me if interested) - salary, amount of hours per week, location, job title, job description, seems grand enough to me anyways!

Que the responses - "hi i'm interested can u pm me pls" galore(my settings are so that everyone can message me). Naturally this prompted a bit of discussion between me and a friend - why in God's name would you ask someone who's advertised a job to contact you rather than just contact them/send through your CV? Bare in mind these same individuals are the same "there's no jobs" whingers that'll crib and moan yet won't actually chase after a job.

I did manage to find a "have u more details" message in my inbox which shocked me, usually if I see a job title, salary, location, hours, permanent/contract, I'm happy enough with that, what more details could have been given, maybe that the sky was blue when I wrote that advertisement? Who knows.

Does Facebook allow them to PM to you without you following them back? Anyway why post of Facebook at all.

Eugene Norman · 06-04-2016 10:15PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The generation who saw no increase in unemployment and a net gain in income through the recession along with record low interest rates on their mortgages? Agreed.

Sure. My generation (I'm 39) has done fine particularly if we had a house. The younger lot are screwed.

Chain Smoker · 06-04-2016 10:19PM

Facebook's messaging system isn't built for well written formal messages. It'd be like putting a job listing on the door of a public toilet and expecting thoughtful replies.

Eugene Norman · 06-04-2016 10:22PM

robarmstrong wrote: »

I've actually requested people to e-mail me their CV if interested - obviously get's blatantly ignored. I also had someone funnily enough criticize the salary, they had a job already (apparently) and she was just wanting to utilize her right to free speech.. Stupid is as stupid does!

If someone on linked on asks for my CV I ask salary first. And if it's lower than what I am on I would criticise it.

mad_shopaholic · 06-04-2016 11:09PM

Would agree that it's alot to do with how you were brought up. I'm a celtic tiger cub and there was never a silver spoon in my mouth if I wanted something I worked for it. I had a child young and went to college by night while working doing jobs from washing dishes to barwork gradually moving up in jobs as I progressed in college so now have a good qualification and experience which has landed me a good job and able to set up my own business on the side. No sense of entitlement what I have I worked hard for but I do have friends who are the opposite complain about their situations but will do nothing to improve it and don't have jobs but will not work in certain ones as it's beneath them.

rsh118 · 06-04-2016 11:11PM

I'm personally so entitled that I have the temerity to look for jobs I'm qualified for instead of just taking any old thing.

I also expect to be paid on time, and to be able to work somewhere fairly near where I live.

Focking champagne all round!

Is this generation too self-entitled?

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