Is this generation too self-entitled?

robarmstrong · 06-04-2016 04:50PM #1

Has anyone else wondered this?

My example is I advertised a job on Facebook (my first mistake) in one of those buy and sell because it's easy enough to get responses. I put down a decent ad (requesting people to e-mail me or mail me if interested) - salary, amount of hours per week, location, job title, job description, seems grand enough to me anyways!

Que the responses - "hi i'm interested can u pm me pls" galore(my settings are so that everyone can message me). Naturally this prompted a bit of discussion between me and a friend - why in God's name would you ask someone who's advertised a job to contact you rather than just contact them/send through your CV? Bare in mind these same individuals are the same "there's no jobs" whingers that'll crib and moan yet won't actually chase after a job.

I did manage to find a "have u more details" message in my inbox which shocked me, usually if I see a job title, salary, location, hours, permanent/contract, I'm happy enough with that, what more details could have been given, maybe that the sky was blue when I wrote that advertisement? Who knows.

frozenfrozen · 06-04-2016 04:51PM

Can I have the job? PM me for more details

Baron Kurtz · 06-04-2016 04:53PM

robarmstrong wrote: »

Has anyone else wondered this?

My example is I advertised a job on Facebook (my first mistake) in one of those buy and sell because it's easy enough to get responses. I put down a decent ad (requesting people to e-mail me or mail me if interested) - salary, amount of hours per week, location, job title, job description, seems grand enough to me anyways!

Que the responses - "hi i'm interested can u pm me pls" galore(my settings are so that everyone can message me). Naturally this prompted a bit of discussion between me and a friend - why in God's name would you ask someone who's advertised a job to contact you rather than just contact them/send through your CV? Bare in mind these same individuals are the same "there's no jobs" whingers that'll crib and moan yet won't actually chase after a job.

I did manage to find a "have u more details" message in my inbox which shocked me, usually if I see a job title, salary, location, hours, permanent/contract, I'm happy enough with that, what more details could have been given, maybe that the sky was blue when I wrote that advertisement? Who knows.

Swap for my ads?

robarmstrong · 06-04-2016 04:54PM

I was actually hoping those would be the first comments.

You kept my dreams alive.

timmy880 · 06-04-2016 04:54PM

Had 2 open roles in my company for grads. We were offering decent pay... (5 years ago when I applied for a grad job in Dublin they didn't even discuss salary with me and I accepted the job anyway...)

But back to the grad roles we advertised. We had at least 10 people in for interviews (including one fella who spoke about his own company that he had set up that didn't even have a website and was just a couple of YouTube videos), all early 20's with no experience and some still finishing their college degree and most of them either demanded too much money or never got back to us! I was stunned.

It was a real eye opener. Same folks probably moving to Oz because they say there are a no jobs here....

Alienigenis · 06-04-2016 04:54PM

I personally think it's just because of the wording of the ads. They usually just say "message me for details". Also, if you're using things like Ballymun Freebies you get (and I don't like saying this) desperate people or, dare I say, chavs.
Did you try writing "PM if interested with a link to your CV". People with some initiative will likely already have their CV uploaded to sites.

livedadream · 06-04-2016 04:56PM

facebook properly not the best place,
the audience have a short attention span and are more sporadic with following up on things, messages tend to be short and snappy.

they might have just read job, apply here.

eezipc · 06-04-2016 04:58PM

livedadream wrote: »

facebook properly not the best place,
the audience have a short attention span and are more sporadic with following up on things, messages tend to be short and snappy.

they might have just read job, apply here.

That may be alot of the problem here. Most likely, as soon as they applied for the job, they forgot about it and went to Boards.ie.
Wait, what did I just apply for?

seamus · 06-04-2016 04:58PM

Look, people are stupid, they always have been. You see it on LinkedIn too - a recruiter will stick up details of the job including how to apply and a load of morons will respond with basic questions covered in the ad, or "Please PM me".

Before social media, you'd give people an address to send their CV to and some idiot would ring and leave a voicemail asking for a call back.

Before phones, Paddy would hear from Joe that Billy needs some work doing and Paddy would say to Joe, "Tell Billy to give me a shout".

Some people just don't get it. It's an easy sh1t filter - if someone's response to a job ad is "please contact me", you know they're not worth hiring.

robarmstrong · 06-04-2016 04:59PM

I've actually requested people to e-mail me their CV if interested - obviously get's blatantly ignored. I also had someone funnily enough criticize the salary, they had a job already (apparently) and she was just wanting to utilize her right to free speech.. Stupid is as stupid does!

eezipc · 06-04-2016 05:02PM

robarmstrong wrote: »

Has anyone else wondered this?

My example is I advertised a job on Facebook (my first mistake) in one of those buy and sell because it's easy enough to get responses. I put down a decent ad (requesting people to e-mail me or mail me if interested) - salary, amount of hours per week, location, job title, job description, seems grand enough to me anyways!

Que the responses - "hi i'm interested can u pm me pls" galore(my settings are so that everyone can message me). Naturally this prompted a bit of discussion between me and a friend - why in God's name would you ask someone who's advertised a job to contact you rather than just contact them/send through your CV? Bare in mind these same individuals are the same "there's no jobs" whingers that'll crib and moan yet won't actually chase after a job.

I did manage to find a "have u more details" message in my inbox which shocked me, usually if I see a job title, salary, location, hours, permanent/contract, I'm happy enough with that, what more details could have been given, maybe that the sky was blue when I wrote that advertisement? Who knows.

I think you are right though. I was talking to a mechanic last week where he said it's really difficult to get apprentice mechanics these days. The main reason is, they don't want to do the sh1tty jobs like washing cars and they just want to get stuck into rebuilding engines.

screamer · 06-04-2016 05:02PM

Op from personal experience youre at nothing trying to hire grads. They want too much money and even if you do hire them you're just a stepping stone to their next better paid job. Remember these are the Celtic tiger cubs with a silver spoon firmly stuck where the sun doesn't shine. Hire more mature people less demanding and less attrition.

robarmstrong · 06-04-2016 05:03PM

The funny thing is I'm essentially a Celtic tiger cub, I'm just not self entitled and enjoy working hard for what I want, I'm only gone 23 and the attitude of others my same age is ridiculous, I've recently set up my own company and I'm looking at these individuals just basically in shock at the self entitlement.

ancapailldorcha · 06-04-2016 05:06PM

People actually do this? I'm looking for work atm and... this'd never even occur to me. If I found a spelling error on my CV I'd be mortified.

Alienigenis · 06-04-2016 05:06PM

robarmstrong wrote: »

I've actually requested people to e-mail me their CV if interested - obviously get's blatantly ignored. I also had someone funnily enough criticize the salary, they had a job already (apparently) and she was just wanting to utilize her right to free speech.. Stupid is as stupid does!

Hah, they have some nerve to complain when every job seeker I know would be happy to even have minimum wage.

Tombi! · 06-04-2016 05:08PM

seamus wrote: »

Look, people are stupid, they always have been. You see it on LinkedIn too - a recruiter will stick up details of the job including how to apply and a load of morons will respond with basic questions covered in the ad, or "Please PM me".

True enough on your entire post but I think it's blatantly increasing more with the presence of every gobsh*te known to man being on the internet.

OP, I wouldn't say this generation are more entitled but growing up with the internet but not with the social media craze, I can definitely see that the internet is making the morons come forward. You'll still get genuine applications but don't expect more than 50% of them to be more than "boss, gis a job dere".

robarmstrong · 06-04-2016 05:10PM

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

People actually do this? I'm looking for work atm and... this'd never even occur to me. If I found a spelling error on my CV I'd be mortified.

If you're looking for work I'd be more than happy to help out, I like helping people out - providing they don't take the mick and act like tossers.

maudgonner · 06-04-2016 05:11PM

Sorry to cross-quote from another thread, but your post in the Dumb Facebook Statuses thread gave me a good giggle at the thought she could be one of your applicants

robarmstrong wrote: »

I had to re-read a girls status due to her using "anal" as a substitute of "and all". Throughout the entire thing I thought it was a tad bit odd for her to keep mentioning butt sex.

BattleCorp · 06-04-2016 05:13PM

robarmstrong wrote: »

I've actually requested people to e-mail me their CV if interested - obviously get's blatantly ignored. I also had someone funnily enough criticize the salary, they had a job already (apparently) and she was just wanting to utilize her right to free speech.. Stupid is as stupid does!

If they can't follow a simple instruction then they aren't fit for the job. They are self screening themselves out of contention for the job.

Believe it or not but I've actually received CV's in text speak from people applying for jobs. And I've had people say to me that they are desperate for a job but if I suggest an entry level job - oh no, they won't do that.

Tombi! · 06-04-2016 05:16PM

maudgonner wrote: »

Sorry to cross-quote from another thread, but your post in the Dumb Facebook Statuses thread gave me a good giggle at the thought she could be one of your applicants

Brilliant!
Rob: So what do you bring to the company?
Girl: im gud wit d computer nd i no a bit about microsoft,
Rob: So you'd able to use MS word, excel, etc?
Girl: yea im great with the different stuff like office anal

robarmstrong · 06-04-2016 05:17PM

Tombi! wrote: »

Brilliant!
Rob: So what do you bring to the company?
Girl: im gud wit d computer nd i no a bit about microsoft,
Rob: So you'd able to use MS word, excel, etc?
Girl: yea im great with the different stuff like office anal

Office anal?

Yes you're hired. Start immediately.

BattleCorp · 06-04-2016 05:19PM

robarmstrong wrote: »

Office anal?

Yes you're hired. Start immediately.

Hang on. You don't know if they are giving or taking. Kids these days have strapons and other such devices. :pac:

Alienigenis · 06-04-2016 05:21PM

robarmstrong wrote: »

Office anal?

Yes you're hired. Start immediately.

This legitimately reminds me of the Jacksfilms comment videos on YouTube

biko · 06-04-2016 05:22PM

Give me the jarb!

PM my secretary with the details

robarmstrong · 06-04-2016 05:23PM

BattleCorp wrote: »

Hang on. You don't know if they are giving or taking. Kids these days have strapons and other such devices. :pac:

I'll be giving her the job whilst she'll be taking some old fashioned reliable office anal.

Certified office anal of course, we only want professionals!

Alienigenis · 06-04-2016 05:27PM

robarmstrong wrote: »

I'll be giving her the job whilst she'll be taking some old fashioned reliable office anal.

Certified office anal of course, we only want professionals!

I too would like to sign up for this certified office anal, but I'm afraid I have no such experience. :pac:

robarmstrong · 06-04-2016 05:29PM

Alienigenis wrote: »

I too would like to sign up for this certified office anal, but I'm afraid I have no such experience. :pac:

The company will pay for training, providing you pay for.. materials.

NicoleW85 · 06-04-2016 05:30PM

I've just landed myself a full time job in a hotel earning minimum wage, after 9 months of applying for jobs and having no interviews til last week. Absolutely over the moon. I think it's down to how you were brought up. I appreciate everything I have and the people in my life.

Alienigenis · 06-04-2016 05:31PM

robarmstrong wrote: »

The company will pay for training, providing you pay for.. materials.

Ohoho! I do believe I have such materials out back... So to speak.

Alienigenis · 06-04-2016 05:32PM

NicoleW85 wrote: »

I've just landed myself a full time job in a hotel earning minimum wage, after 9 months of applying for jobs and having no interviews til last week. Absolutely over the moon. I think it's down to how you were brought up. I appreciate everything I have and the people in my life.

I swear, I have nothing but respect for people who work in hotels. You lads/lasses have to deal with some horrid people/messes.

frozenfrozen · 06-04-2016 05:33PM

I did a fecal level 5 in office anal, so I'm a bit over qualified but put a high value on work-life balance, so I think we could make me fit right in to the position

Is this generation too self-entitled?

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