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Ashton caused that. It was unlucky for Watson and Goode.

Yeah_Right wrote: »

Ashton didn't do anything wrong but he caused Watson to lose his balance and timing which caused him to clean out Goode. Watson was looking at the ball, probably intending to leap for it when Ashton bumps him.

None of that excuses Watson at all? It was his own recklessness that caused it. Looking at the ball is irrelevant, especially if you're incapable of doing it while also being aware of your surroundings.

Yeah_Right wrote: »

I'm not saying it's not a penalty. It is. I think a yellow card would have been fairer as it was clumsy not malicious. But Aston caused it.

Fair enough, I think ultimately it's Watson's fault and ultimately I just find it interesting because Goode seems to be particularly unlucky with being on the recieving end of these challenges!

neelia11 wrote: »

http://www.punditarena.com/rugby/adrumm/watch-oyonnax-player-tells-romain-poite-hes-sht-and-immediately-gets-sent-off/

oyannax player sent off for telling romain poite he is ****

Actually he says that 'he (Poite) is pissing him off' to which Poite responds by calling him over and telling him that he's pissing him off and sends him off. Subsquently a voice which sounds exactly like Poite's talks about a 'son of a whore'.

Referee or no, Poite could be in just as much trouble over this. He seemed to completely lose his cool.

mfceiling wrote: »

Oh dear. Major shìt about to hit the fan.

Looks like we've found Ireland's fastest player and it's not Zebo...

http://www.sportsjoe.ie/rugby/ireland-rugby-fastest-player/72222?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=onsite_share

Granted that it's soccer but I think that this is a pretty good illustration of why straight line speed isn't everything (although perhaps more useful in rugby than soccer) in field sports.

Stheno wrote: »

What penalty might Poite face?

I don't know to be honest.

I'm not even aware if there is a formal list of sanctions to be imposed on referees for misconduct. I could speculate about being stood down for a number of games and possibly fined but I'd only be speculating.

A more constructive approach might be to send him to anger management classes.

Stheno wrote: »

Thanks I know ref performance iirc is reviewed by the referrees board/oversight committee after each game so will be interesting to see.

On another note, I saw Helen O'Reilly doing AR during one of the PRO12 games recently, is that a recent thing to see female officials in mens games?

Unless it has changed there'll be a referee assessor who will have given him an evaluation. I'd imagine that any actions in respect of his behaviour will follow from that although I think that the respective clubs may be able to lodge a complaint too as it's a referee rather than a player - not too sure of myself on that though.

I've never seen a female official in men's rugby so I'd guess that it's recent but others may know better. I don't see why gender should be a barrier though - whoever is best and available should get the gig.

neelia11 wrote: »

http://www.punditarena.com/rugby/adrumm/watch-oyonnax-player-tells-romain-poite-hes-sht-and-immediately-gets-sent-off/

oyannax player sent off for telling romain poite he is ****

Haha I love the way all the other players are comforting him as he goes of, as if to say they agree they just didn't say it.

Clearlier wrote: »

Actually he says that 'he (Poite) is pissing him off' to which Poite responds by calling him over and telling him that he's pissing him off and sends him off. Subsquently a voice which sounds exactly like Poite's talks about a 'son of a whore'.

Referee or no, Poite could be in just as much trouble over this. He seemed to completely lose his cool.

Not at all. My impression from the dialogue is Poite repeats what the Oyonnax player has just said rather than calling him a "fils de pute" himself. Poite says he will report afterwards (signaler) what was said ie "je vais te choper, fils de pute". Effectively "I'll bring you down, you f*ck*n bastard".

Lengthy ban to follow. And good riddance.

Edit: Maximum sanction for verbal abuse 52 weeks, but for threatening action or words 260 weeks. I reckon they might go with the latter charge. I'm expecting 6 months minimum ban, but longer to set a example wouldn't surprise me. A paltry sentence, and knowing the French as I do, I could see a referees' strike.

swiwi_ wrote: »

Not at all. My impression from the dialogue is Poite repeats what the Oyonnax player has just said rather than calling him a "fils de pute" himself. Poite says he will report afterwards (signaler) what was said ie "je vais te choper, fils de pute". Effectively "I'll bring you down, you f*ck*n bastard".

Lengthy ban to follow. And good riddance.

Edit: Maximum sanction for verbal abuse 52 weeks, but for threatening action or words 260 weeks. I reckon they might go with the latter charge. I'm expecting 6 months minimum ban, but longer to set a example wouldn't surprise me. A paltry sentence, and knowing the French as I do, I could see a referees' strike.

Thanks swiwi, my French is rusty and I couldn't quite get the 'je vais te choper' part of the quote. I also hadn't noted that the Oyonnax player was shouting something as he left the pitch.

For me Poite's comment comes as part of an escalation of hostilities as he leaves the pitch because he only gives him a yellow until the player says "You're pissing me off, there was nothing" in response to which he (correctly) gives him a red card.

You can see (but not hear) the Oyonnax player mouthing off as he leaves the pitch and I can't imagine that he's done anything other than insult Poite and Poite is almost certainly responding when he says what he says.

I just don't think that Poite is reporting what the player said. I think that he has lost his cool (I'd guess that the game was frustrating to referee) and he's just insulting the player back.

Maybe nothing will happen but I don't think that it's ok for a referee to curse at a player and it's not good for the game when he does it on TV with a microphone attached to him.

Clearlier wrote: »

Thanks swiwi, my French is rusty and I couldn't quite get the 'je vais te choper' part of the quote. I also hadn't noted that the Oyonnax player was shouting something as he left the pitch.

For me Poite's comment comes as part of an escalation of hostilities as he leaves the pitch because he only gives him a yellow until the player says "You're pissing me off, there was nothing" in response to which he (correctly) gives him a red card.

You can see (but not hear) the Oyonnax player mouthing off as he leaves the pitch and I can't imagine that he's done anything other than insult Poite and Poite is almost certainly responding when he says what he says.

I just don't think that Poite is reporting what the player said. I think that he has lost his cool (I'd guess that the game was frustrating to referee) and he's just insulting the player back.

Maybe nothing will happen but I don't think that it's ok for a referee to curse at a player and it's not good for the game when he does it on TV with a microphone attached to him.

I agree. However after listening to it I genuinely don't think Poite was cursing him back. He was repeating what the player had said and saying he would report it.

Edit: this is what I hear (which is obviously open to correction by better French speakers than myself)

Poite: ...c'est la septième fois.
Tian: Tu fais chier. Y'a rien.
Poite: Venez là, venez là. "Tu fais chier?!" (shows him red card). Là-bas, là-bas. [note Poite doesn't say viens là, viens là, so the use of "tu" indicates he is repeating what Tian said IMO]
Tian: (continues to abuse ref)
Poite: Ouais, ouais, pas de problème. Pas de problème.
Tian: (continues to abuse ref). Commentators: oh là, c'est Silvère Tian qui a complèment dépité (?) là-dessus
Poite: tu consigneras "je vais te choper après, fils de pute", tu consigneras (I'm not sure exactly about this, not least because tu consigneras would be Poite changing from vous to tu, but the noise of the commentators makes it hard...)
Commentators: Il a complètement dégoupillé là Silvère Tian