Leinster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread VII: The Fan-base Awakens

sydthebeat · 31-03-2016 02:16PM

brokenhooker wrote: »

what does that even mean? a rugby fan who like to see skillful, smart rugby? oh god how dare I not enjoy watching players fail to run at space, display poor decision making, creativity and skill.

no

your a rugby fan who doesnt put any credence into us having the best defense in the league allowing us to have the best points difference BY FAR.

your also a rugby fan who doesnt seem to consider the disruption caused by the RWC and 6N and point to connacht, the least disrupted team, as the team who show consistency and fluidity in their attacking play (not matched in defense by the way)

we're second in the league, we're in home semi final spot. We favourites to win the league.

but most of all we're actually trying to play a much better "brand" of rugby than we have been under MOC.

we are progressing, thats patently obvious.

brokenhooker · 31-03-2016 02:17PM

CMOTDibbler wrote: »

Did you even read the link I posted?

Connacht had worse handling skills then Leinster and turned over the ball 23 times. The weather was not conducive to throwing the ball around and Connacht had good linespeed and rucking. Leinster made more offloads than Connacht btw. But it was not the A team that started that game and the pack especially were underpowered.

You're just ranting about things without any acceptance of the issues the team has faced. I'm out of this.

DGRulz wrote: »

I kind of find it funny that the anti-Teo guy got a weeks ban and another hyper-negative poster appears. It's like the forum is balancing itself out :pac:

Well Teo is fairly one dimensional, but he is certianly a better option than McFadden.

brokenhooker · 31-03-2016 02:18PM

Deleted User wrote: »

In fairness, some of your complaints involved cherry picking games that suited your opinion e.g. no tries scored against top teams since Christmas

how leinster perform against terrible teams like Zebre and Treviso is not relevent to me, any time they fail to get a BP win against those two along with the Dragons it's a massive underperformance.

How Leinster performs against teams who are half way decent is relevent, leinster have played two of those teams since new years and failed to score a try or register a win against both.

brokenhooker · 31-03-2016 02:22PM

sydthebeat wrote: »

no

your a rugby fan who doesnt put any credence into us having the best defense in the league allowing us to have the best points difference BY FAR.

your also a rugby fan who doesnt seem to consider the disruption caused by the RWC and 6N and point to connacht, the least disrupted team, as the team who show consistency and fluidity in their attacking play (not matched in defense by the way)

we're second in the league, we're in home semi final spot. We favourites to win the league.

but most of all we're actually trying to play a much better "brand" of rugby than we have been under MOC.

we are progressing, thats patently obvious.

progressing from a massively low point under MOC.. it's like saying instead of a 2 of our of 10 we are scoring a 5.

this season has been at best a 5 out of 10 in terms of attacking performance, skill level & creativity, we are miles away from being hugely competitive in europe again. and let's not even compare our skill level and attacking ability to a SH team.

sadly it's just the reality of leisnter rugby now, we are a grind it out don't give us the ball type of team now.. much like munster of old but less competitive in europe.

dub_skav · 31-03-2016 02:25PM

brokenhooker wrote: »

progressing from a massively low point under MOC.. it's like saying instead of a 2 of our of 10 we are scoring a 5.

this season has been at best a 5 out of 10 in terms of attacking performance, skill level & creativity, we are miles away from being hugely competitive in europe again. and let's not even compare our skill level and attacking ability to a SH team.

I too am now bowing out of this discussion

DGRulz · 31-03-2016 02:28PM

brokenhooker wrote: »

progressing from a massively low point under MOC.. it's like saying instead of a 2 of our of 10 we are scoring a 5.

this season has been at best a 5 out of 10 in terms of attacking performance, skill level & creativity, we are miles away from being hugely competitive in europe again. and let's not even compare our skill level and attacking ability to a SH team.

sadly it's just the reality of leisnter rugby now, we are a grind it out don't give us the ball type of team now.. much like munster of old but less competitive in europe.

So did you expect a new couching team to take the As and some seniors squad members for pre-season, be disrupted by the comings and goings of senior international players and just automatically go from 2 to 8 and above?

neelia11 · 31-03-2016 02:30PM

brokenhooker wrote: »

how leinster perform against terrible teams like Zebre and Treviso is not relevent to me, any time they fail to get a BP win against those two along with the Dragons it's a massive underperformance.

How Leinster performs against teams who are half way decent is relevent, leinster have played two of those teams since new years and failed to score a try or register a win against both.

eh 13-0 v the all singing all dancing connacht in the RDS?

Understrength sides losing in glasgow and galway is hardly a shock. Losing to the dragons with 15-20 players in Ireland camp.

sydthebeat · 31-03-2016 02:32PM

brokenhooker wrote: »

progressing from a massively low point under MOC.. it's like saying instead of a 2 of our of 10 we are scoring a 5.

this season has been at best a 5 out of 10 in terms of attacking performance, skill level & creativity, we are miles away from being hugely competitive in europe again. and let's not even compare our skill level and attacking ability to a SH team.

sadly it's just the reality of leisnter rugby now, we are a grind it out don't give us the ball type of team now.. much like munster of old but less competitive in europe.

we're not back in 11/12

those were heady days.

we are where we are and we are progressing. we're in a pretty good place actually ALL THINGS considered.

brokenhooker · 31-03-2016 02:36PM

sydthebeat wrote: »

we're not back in 11/12

those were heady days.

we are where we are and we are progressing. we're in a pretty good place actually ALL THINGS considered.

progress would be scoring a try in the last two games.

neelia11 · 31-03-2016 02:40PM

brokenhooker wrote: »

progress would be scoring a try in the last two games.

ok genuine question, you praise connacht for their performances but how do you account for them not scoring a try against ulster or leinster at xmas?

brokenhooker · 31-03-2016 02:43PM

neelia11 wrote: »

ok genuine question, you praise connacht for their performances but how do you account for them not scoring a try against ulster or leinster at xmas?

I haven't said Connacht are an amazing team, they are an average team.

Podge_irl · 31-03-2016 02:43PM

brokenhooker wrote: »

how leinster perform against terrible teams like Zebre and Treviso is not relevent to me, any time they fail to get a BP win against those two along with the Dragons it's a massive underperformance.

How Leinster performs against teams who are half way decent is relevent, leinster have played two of those teams since new years and failed to score a try or register a win against both.

Both away from home. Both in poor conditions. Neither with a full strength team.

So really they are indicative of naff all in the grand scheme of things.

RobbieRuns · 31-03-2016 02:45PM

brokenhooker wrote: »

I haven't said Connacht are an amazing team, they are an average team.

An average team that are currently top of the pro 12........

Podge_irl · 31-03-2016 02:46PM

RobbieRuns wrote: »

An average team that are currently top of the pro 12........

The entire Pro12 is average to rubbish apparently.

brokenhooker · 31-03-2016 02:50PM

RobbieRuns wrote: »

An average team that are currently top of the pro 12........

the pro 12 is not a very good league especially when the team with the most talent - Glasgow & Leinster lose that talent for large parts of the season.

Connacht are the best of an average bunch at the moment.

brokenhooker · 31-03-2016 02:51PM

Podge_irl wrote: »

Both away from home. Both in poor conditions. Neither with a full strength team.

So really they are indicative of naff all in the grand scheme of things.

did glasgow have a full strength team?

are Connacht so strong defensively that leinster should be unable to score a try if they played smart, accurate rugby?

neelia11 · 31-03-2016 02:53PM

brokenhooker wrote: »

I haven't said Connacht are an amazing team, they are an average team.

I asked you a question as part of a discussion yet your answer isnt relevant to the question. You previously heralded connacht for their "skills and ambition" in an earlier post. Yet now you say they are average.

irishbucsfan · 31-03-2016 02:54PM

brokenhooker wrote: »

did glasgow have a full strength team?

are Connacht so strong defensively that leinster should be unable to score a try?

It could have been Glasgow's under-12s and it doesn't matter, so long as it wasn't our first strength team.

Scoring tries is not the only way to win rugby games. We didn't score a try in one of the most important victories in our history (in the Stoop). It's very important that we're capable of scoring tries, but plenty of great teams have been held tryless.

Can you give us an example of a club team in Europe which you think is not average?

DGRulz · 31-03-2016 02:55PM

I asked him this earlier. Racing, Wasps, Toulon and Saracens.

brokenhooker · 31-03-2016 02:56PM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

It could have been Glasgow's under-12s and it doesn't matter, so long as it wasn't our first strength team.

Scoring tries is not the only way to win rugby games. We didn't score a try in one of the most important victories in our history (in the Stoop). It's very important that we're capable of scoring tries, but plenty of great teams have been held tryless.

Can you give us an example of a club team in Europe which you think is not average?

Racing, Tuolon, Wasps, Saracens. All are much better teams than can be found in the pro 12.

Podge_irl · 31-03-2016 02:57PM

brokenhooker wrote: »

did glasgow have a full strength team?

are Connacht so strong defensively that leinster should be unable to score a try if they played smart, accurate rugby?

No. So? When your team is chopping and changing with such regularity it is impossible to attain the fluidity in attack that you so admire. Regardless of the opposition.

You can not take 2 games in isolation, especially given the mitigating factors around why the performance was poor in them, and use that as a basis for dismissing the team in general. Hell, a lot of the team who played in Glasgow won't see the pitch again for the rest of the year.

DGRulz · 31-03-2016 02:58PM

brokenhooker wrote: »

Racing, Tuolon, Wasps, Saracens. All are much better teams than can be found in the pro 12.

In what way, in your opinion, are those teams better than the best of the Pro12?

brokenhooker · 31-03-2016 03:02PM

DGRulz wrote: »

In what way, in your opinion, are those teams better than the best of the Pro12?

I'm not going to describe to how one team is better than others. If you think the pro 12 has better teams than those listed then by all means continue living in your fantasyland.

irishbucsfan · 31-03-2016 03:08PM

brokenhooker wrote: »

Racing, Tuolon, Wasps, Saracens. All are much better teams than can be found in the pro 12.

Let's take Racing then

Leinster score at almost the exact same rate as Racing. Where do we need to improve to be at the level you perceive Racing to be at.

Yeah_Right · 31-03-2016 03:19PM

brokenhooker wrote: »

Racing, Tuolon, Wasps, Saracens. All are much better teams than can be found in the pro 12.

Saracens? Really? Didn't Wasps stick 60 points past them just recently? At Saracens.

And Racing just got beaten by Toulons in Paris I believe.

brokenhooker · 31-03-2016 03:29PM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Let's take Racing then

Leinster score at almost the exact same rate as Racing. Where do we need to improve to be at the level you perceive Racing to be at.

Racing play in a much stronger league fro top to bottom.

Again if you think Leinster are better than the teams I listed, then by all means keep living in fantasyland.

brokenhooker · 31-03-2016 03:29PM

Yeah_Right wrote: »

Saracens? Really? Didn't Wasps stick 60 points past them just recently? At Saracens.

And Racing just got beaten by Toulons in Paris I believe.

Yeah cause Saracens woudn't be the best team in the pro 12 almost automatically. :rolleyes:

brokenhooker · 31-03-2016 03:30PM

anyway i'm tired of trying to defend my position, leinster have a lot to work on, hopefully they show some progress this weekend against munster because a loss would be further regression.

Yeah_Right · 31-03-2016 03:32PM

brokenhooker wrote: »

Yeah cause Saracens woudn't be the best team in the pro 12 almost automatically. :rolleyes:

No they wouldn't. They would have to play all their games like everyone else. They wouldn't be automatically given the trophy if they joined the Pro 12.

shuffol · 31-03-2016 03:33PM

What's the harm in a bit of positivity when the performance has been better than most people would have expected, sure it's possible to find all sorts of statistics to be critical like no tries in 2 games(who cares) but why bother. It's like searching for reasons not to get out of bed in the morning.

As an aside I wouldn't be too keen on watching reruns of Leinster from 08/09 but that side won a HEC. But sure the competition was probably shyte too.

Leinster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread VII: The Fan-base Awakens

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