Leinster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread VII: The Fan-base Awakens

sheep? · 31-03-2016 11:59AM

brokenrecord wrote: »

sorry if im not some sheep who refuses to acknowledge reality.

Don't apologise for who you are!

I think you should write a letter to Leo, explain your worries about the quality of Leinster's attacking play.

Send him pic of Pat Lam and a note, saying "Be more like this guy".

Also a bottle of champagne, I'm sure he'll get the hint.

brokenhooker · 31-03-2016 12:02PM

sheep? wrote: »

Don't apologise for who you are!

I think you should write a letter to Leo, explain your worries about the quality of Leinster's attacking play.

Send him pic of Pat Lam and a note, saying "Be more like this guy".

Also a bottle of champagne, I'm sure he'll get the hint.

it's a discussion board, am I supposed to blindly ignore how leinster are playing in attack and not try to discuss it here?

bizarre that a person who comes to a discussion forum seems to have a problem with discussion.

CMOTDibbler · 31-03-2016 12:18PM

brokenhooker wrote: »

it's a discussion board, am I supposed to blindly ignore how leinster are playing in attack and not try to discuss it here?

bizarre that a person who comes to a discussion forum seems to have a problem with discussion.

Because you're not discussing anything. You're just whinging. Everybody knows where Leinster's failings are, the difference is that the rest of us are taking a more optimistic view of things given the position the province is in and the difficulties in running a league campaign with half the squad missing for half the season so far and a new coaching team.

former total · 31-03-2016 12:39PM

What kicked all this off was me suggesting that Leinster would be favourites against Munster on Saturday night, brokenhooker took massive exception to that.

Well...

http://www.paddypower.com/bet/rugby-union/guinness-pro-12/Leinster-v-Munster-10389434.html

brokenhooker · 31-03-2016 12:51PM

CMOTDibbler wrote: »

Because you're not discussing anything. You're just whinging. Everybody knows where Leinster's failings are, the difference is that the rest of us are taking a more optimistic view of things given the position the province is in and the difficulties in running a league campaign with half the squad missing for half the season so far and a new coaching team.

what are leinster's failings so? cause they aren't talked about much here.

no backup outhalf, poor maul, poor skill level 1-15, poor decision making/inteliigence are some.

brokenhooker · 31-03-2016 12:52PM

former total wrote: »

What kicked all this off was me suggesting that Leinster would be favourites against Munster on Saturday night, brokenhooker took massive exception to that.

Well...

http://www.paddypower.com/bet/rugby-union/guinness-pro-12/Leinster-v-Munster-10389434.html

No i didn't, I simply said that leinster are an average team and that we could easily lose to another average team like Munster next weekend.

irishbucsfan · 31-03-2016 12:56PM

brokenhooker wrote: »

what are leinster's failings so? cause they aren't talked about much here.

no backup outhalf, poor maul, poor skill level 1-15, poor decision making/inteliigence are some.

No backup outhalf yes, but the other problems, not really. There's plenty of skills available and even more coming through in the younger players.

Leinster could pretty easily be top of the league on Monday morning. That's pretty decent.

brokenhooker · 31-03-2016 01:02PM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

No backup outhalf yes, but the other problems, not really. There's plenty of skills available and even more coming through in the younger players.

Leinster could pretty easily be top of the league on Monday morning. That's pretty decent.

the maul has been ****e all season.
there is a major lack of skill or at least an unwillingness to play with skill and ambition. Where are these highly skilled young backs? because bar ringrose they aren't making an impact or look to be pushing their less skilled elders.
and there is very little decision makers/creative players which is highlighted when sexton is missing but also is a problem when he is there.

and they could easily lose to a poor munster side.

Journeyman_1 · 31-03-2016 01:09PM

I can't understand why some people come into a dedicated team thread with only the intent to attack any, real or perceived, weakness. Is it total hatred, ignorance or mere trolling?

On an aside, the Ignore List is actually very useful

former total · 31-03-2016 01:11PM

Yeah.

Back in the real world... It's unusual for the bookies to have odds for Pro12 games up before the teams are announced, but we're 7 point favourites. I think that's probably about right?

brokenhooker · 31-03-2016 01:11PM

I haven't just attacked,

i've pointed out how much better we are with Sexton at 10, how good we are defensively, how we have some good young players coming through.

But we are miles off where we should be aiming and let's not pretend otherwise.

Podge_irl · 31-03-2016 01:15PM

brokenhooker wrote: »

i've pointed out how much better we are with Sexton at 10

You've pointed it out as if it is a problem. No, our back up options aren't great and this has had an unusually large impact this season. Sexton will likely be available for the rest of the season and much more of next season than he was this year. It's always going to be difficult to get a great back-up as they essentially know they are stuck as a back up for the next couple years.

irishbucsfan · 31-03-2016 01:16PM

brokenhooker wrote: »

the maul has been ****e all season.
there is a major lack of skill or at least an unwillingness to play with skill and ambition. Where are these highly skilled young backs? because bar ringrose they aren't making an impact or look to be pushing their less skilled elders.
and there is very little decision makers/creative players which is highlighted when sexton is missing but also is a problem when he is there.

and they could easily lose to a poor munster side.

Our maul has been fine considering we've lost more tight 5 players this season than any other team in world rugby, through internationals and other long term injuries. Despite that it's still bee about as good as our peers and it's usually better, and will be again in the closing stages with everyone back available.

We don't have many young backs coming into the team at the moment outside of Ringrose. McGrath is coming through as well and he looks very promising, and that's about it. Marsh has always been a skillful player but it's not really what we're concerned about with him. It's a pretty settled unit and will probably remain so next season apart from the arrival of Henshaw and a scrum half. The positions where we have most young players coming through is in the forward, where there's plenty of skills on show.

Leinster could lose to Munster. Anyone can lose to anyone else. However they're clear favourites with the bookies and have been much better than them in the league this season, so seems more likely it won't happen.

sydthebeat · 31-03-2016 01:17PM

brokenhooker wrote: »

But we are miles off where we should be aiming and let's not pretend otherwise.

where else should we be aiming for than trying for a home semi final in the play offs???

and arent we there currently?

Maybe you should just temper your disappointment after considering the opposite arguments giving to you in the last few pages

brokenhooker · 31-03-2016 01:30PM

sydthebeat wrote: »

where else should we be aiming for than trying for a home semi final in the play offs???

and arent we there currently?

Maybe you should just temper your disappointment after considering the opposite arguments giving to you in the last few pages

we should be aiming to play a better brand of rugby, scoring more tries and generally being a higher performing team. Currently we are just as average as the rest of the top half of the pro 12 and frankly that's not good enough.

Leinster need to improve, winning the league should be the minimum expected. Instead we are behind a team with more less resources and supposedly talent who are playing a better brand of rugby and scoring more tries.

irishbucsfan · 31-03-2016 01:38PM

brokenhooker wrote: »

we should be aiming to play a better brand of rugby, scoring more tries and generally being a higher performing team. Currently we are just as average as the rest of the top half of the pro 12 and frankly that's not good enough.

Leinster need to improve, winning the league should be the minimum expected. Instead we are behind a team with more less resources and supposedly talent who are playing a better brand of rugby and scoring more tries.

Leinster are clear favourites to win the league this season, and I'd imagine that is their expectation.

Also a "better" brand of rugby means literally nothing. It takes absolutely no knowledge of the sport to construct that sentence. Leinster have some very intelligent minds in Dempsey and Isa working to improve what we're doing, and Dempsey's previous side produced extremely "better" rugby, so with a bit of time I'd hope we'll get there.

Did you know that since New Year's Day we've scored tries in 8 out of 10 games? That's a pretty great statistic.

CMOTDibbler · 31-03-2016 01:42PM

brokenhooker wrote: »

we should be aiming to play a better brand of rugby, scoring more tries and generally being a higher performing team. Currently we are just as average as the rest of the top half of the pro 12 and frankly that's not good enough.

Leinster need to improve, winning the league should be the minimum expected. Instead we are behind a team with more less resources and supposedly talent who are playing a better brand of rugby and scoring more tries.

Ahhh! I suspected as much. What's wrong with Connacht being top of the league? Pat Lam is in his third year of very hard work getting them to where they are and they've capitalised on the times when the opposition teams have been missing players. Somebody had to do that and it's great that it's another Irish province; especially one that not long ago was being prepared for dissolution.

But if you're looking for some light at the end of the tunnel, have a read of this.

brokenhooker · 31-03-2016 01:46PM

CMOTDibbler wrote: »

Ahhh! I suspected as much. What's wrong with Connacht being top of the league? Pat Lam is in his third year of very hard work getting them to where they are and they've capitalised on the times when the opposition teams have been missing players. Somebody had to do that and it's great that it's another Irish province; especially one that not long ago was being prepared for dissolution.

But if you're looking for some light at the end of the tunnel, have a read of this.

Nothing wrong with Connacht being top of the league, fair play to them they've taken advantage of an underperforming leinster and the advantages they had this season with the WC etc.

brokenhooker · 31-03-2016 01:48PM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Leinster are clear favourites to win the league this season, and I'd imagine that is their expectation.

Also a "better" brand of rugby means literally nothing. It takes absolutely no knowledge of the sport to construct that sentence. Leinster have some very intelligent minds in Dempsey and Isa working to improve what we're doing, and Dempsey's previous side produced extremely "better" rugby, so with a bit of time I'd hope we'll get there.

Did you know that since New Year's Day we've scored tries in 8 out of 10 games? That's a pretty great statistic.

Did you enjoy leinster's attempt at "attacking" last weekend? Because that style or brand of rugby is not what leinster should aspire to. One out runners, seeking contact, forwards with poor handling skills and dumb rugby.

Creativity absent, skills poor, decision making questionable at best. We might get away with similar against Munster but it won't be pretty nor good.

irishbucsfan · 31-03-2016 01:53PM

brokenhooker wrote: »

Did you enjoy leinster's attempt at "attacking" last weekend? Because that style or brand of rugby is not what leinster should aspire to. One out runners, seeking contact, forwards with poor handling skills and dumb rugby.

Having played rugby in howling winds in the west of Ireland I can understand why a 2nd string Leinster side would struggle to look like the All Blacks in Galway. That's nothing new.

It's about in line with how we've played there in those conditions even at the height of our abilities, Schmidt had a team beaten 34-6 in Connacht. In fact in 3 games in the Sportsground under Schmidt we only scored 1 try. I mention Schmidt because you were bringing him up earlier I think.

brokenhooker · 31-03-2016 01:56PM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Having played rugby in howling winds in the west of Ireland I can understand why a 2nd string Leinster side would struggle to look like the All Blacks in Galway. That's nothing new.

It's about in line with how we've played there in those conditions even at the height of our abilities, Schmidt had a team beaten 34-6 in Connacht. In fact in 3 games in the Sportsground under Schmidt we only scored 1 try. I mention Schmidt because you were bringing him up earlier I think.

havent brought up schmidt once.

CMOTDibbler · 31-03-2016 01:59PM

brokenhooker wrote: »

Did you enjoy leinster's attempt at "attacking" last weekend? Because that style or brand of rugby is not what leinster should aspire to. One out runners, seeking contact, forwards with poor handling skills and dumb rugby.

Did you even read the link I posted?

Connacht had worse handling skills then Leinster and turned over the ball 23 times. The weather was not conducive to throwing the ball around and Connacht had good linespeed and rucking. Leinster made more offloads than Connacht btw. But it was not the A team that started that game and the pack especially were underpowered.

You're just ranting about things without any acceptance of the issues the team has faced. I'm out of this.

irishbucsfan · 31-03-2016 02:01PM

brokenhooker wrote: »

havent brought up schmidt once.

OK, fair enough. Maybe you don't think we played great rugby under Schmidt but most people would agree we did, and yet the difficulty of playing in conditions like that were still regularly displayed.

sydthebeat · 31-03-2016 02:07PM

brokenhooker wrote: »

Did you enjoy leinster's attempt at "attacking" last weekend? Because that style or brand of rugby is not what leinster should aspire to. One out runners, seeking contact, forwards with poor handling skills and dumb rugby.

Creativity absent, skills poor, decision making questionable at best. We might get away with similar against Munster but it won't be pretty nor good.

ah yes, so your a "hare'um scare'um" rugby fan ... fair enough.. should have known.

brokenhooker · 31-03-2016 02:08PM

I was at the connacht game, bar the wind when you kicked the ball high the conditions were not that bad.

Leinster played blunt one out rugby, struglling to create overlaps and generally being very one dimensional. Deservedly losing the game. It wasn't good enough for a team with it's talent level.

brokenhooker · 31-03-2016 02:09PM

sydthebeat wrote: »

ah yes, so your a "hare'um scare'um" rugby fan ... fair enough.. should have known.

what does that even mean? a rugby fan who like to see skillful, smart rugby? oh god how dare I not enjoy watching players fail to run at space, display poor decision making, creativity and skill.

irishbucsfan · 31-03-2016 02:10PM

brokenhooker wrote: »

I was at the connacht game, bar the wind when you kicked the ball high the conditions were not that bad.

Leinster played blunt one out rugby, struglling to create overlaps and generally being very one dimensional. Deservedly losing the game. It wasn't good enough for a team with it's talent level.

Your opinion of the conditions are pretty different to the opinions of others who were at the game, and I'd be more inclined to believe them.

Leinster could easily have won that game, a different decision from the referee in those final scrums and we would have won it. A win in Galway is not something we've ever been able to rely on in the past.

brokenhooker · 31-03-2016 02:11PM

CMOTDibbler wrote: »

Did you even read the link I posted?

Connacht had worse handling skills then Leinster and turned over the ball 23 times. The weather was not conducive to throwing the ball around and Connacht had good linespeed and rucking. Leinster made more offloads than Connacht btw. But it was not the A team that started that game and the pack especially were underpowered.

You're just ranting about things without any acceptance of the issues the team has faced. I'm out of this.

a link to a game played in october? sorry but don't see how it's relevent to how leinster have played lately, where they have displayed less ambition and skill level.

31-03-2016 02:13PM

brokenhooker wrote: »

it's a discussion board, am I supposed to blindly ignore how leinster are playing in attack and not try to discuss it here?

bizarre that a person who comes to a discussion forum seems to have a problem with discussion.

In fairness, some of your complaints involved cherry picking games that suited your opinion e.g. no tries scored against top teams since Christmas

DGRulz · 31-03-2016 02:16PM

I kind of find it funny that the anti-Teo guy got a weeks ban and another hyper-negative poster appears. It's like the forum is balancing itself out :pac:

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