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Garda, nurses, teachers and doctor's pay

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  • #512
    Caoimhgh1n
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,499 ✭✭✭✭Caoimhgh1n


    maudgonner wrote: »
    Unless this has changed in recent years, this is not part of their job. It's an extra, temporary employment that is paid separately from their salary?

    And most people work 8 hours a day?

    The pay is quite low. You try and correct leaving certs for 8 hours in one sitting, 7 days a week.


  • #513
    mynamejeff
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭mynamejeff


    myshirt wrote: »
    They get the bulk of their rent sorted for them if they are in Dublin also. Always did.

    isnt that untrue shirt ?

    http://www.thejournal.ie/garda-rent-allowance-1637335-Aug2014/


  • #514
    mynamejeff
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭mynamejeff


    jcon1913 wrote: »
    They get paid during training, and start off on 31K - with a prospect of promotion / increments / overtime - I think thats not too shabby. Guards get to retire on a good pension, granted after ( I think ) 30 years service, on 2/3rds of final salary. They also get a good tax-free lump sum when retiring.

    your information is a little out of date

    http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/23k-starting-rates-for-garda-recruits-will-impact-on-morale-375635.html

    there was a lad last week in the news who was quiting in and going back to stacking shelves
    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/ill-probably-go-back-to-tesco-and-ill-be-better-paid-too-three-newly-qualified-gardai-have-quit-force-over-low-pay-34563837.html


  • #515
    Martypants1
    Site Banned Posts: 806 ✭✭✭Martypants1


    Caoimhgh1n wrote: »
    Martypants1, teachers deserve the pay they get. They work not only 5 days a week, but at the weekends too. Correcting essays, arranging classes and going to hours of pointless meetings. Not to mention having to deal with the same little brats every week, with nothing done about them. In the summer, when they correct the JC and LC, they spent up to 8 hours a day for a little over a month correcting exams, with little to no breaks.

    You say that as if people on **** money all throughout the country aren't doing all these extra things. Should they get loads of extra holidays?

    I know project engineers who have to work weekends, evenings, go to meetings, go to meetings etc etc. Same with software engineers. It's standard in the real world.

    Once again dealing with brats is part of the job. You don't mention the bits they have to do (talking about primary here) where it's glorified childminding like painting.

    Why are you bringing up the leaving cert checking etc? That's part of their job.

    The breaks? I'm sure they get the legally entitled break or we'd have heard about it by now...


  • #516
    maudgonner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,455 ✭✭✭maudgonner


    Caoimhgh1n wrote: »
    The pay is quite low. You try and correct leaving certs for 8 hours in one sitting, 7 days a week.

    Regardless, it is not part of their teaching job, as you implied. If they don't want to do it, they don't have to.

    And as for them 'not getting paid over the holidays', I'm sorry but permanent teachers get paid a yearly salary as far as I know. The same as most workers in the country. So I don't see your logic there. Whether it's spread out over 12 months or 9 or whatever, it's still a salary.

    Non-permanent teachers, who are paid according to how many classroom hours they get (again, I'm open to correction on this, I'm not a teacher), that's a different story. They have a legitimate right to feel aggrieved.


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  • #517
    mulbot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,643 ✭✭✭mulbot


    Caoimhgh1n wrote: »
    The pay is quite low. You try and correct leaving certs for 8 hours in one sitting, 7 days a week.

    Can you say how much it is? I know a few teachers who do it every year because of the money,they definitely don't spend 56 hours a week correcting though!!


  • #518
    Caoimhgh1n
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,499 ✭✭✭✭Caoimhgh1n


    Martypants1 wrote: »
    You say that as if people on **** money all throughout the country aren't doing all these extra things. Should they get loads of extra holidays?

    I know project engineers who have to work weekends, evenings, go to meetings, go to meetings etc etc. Same with software engineers. It's standard in the real world.

    Once again dealing with brats is part of the job. You don't mention the bits they have to do (talking about primary here) where it's glorified childminding like painting.

    Why are you bringing up the leaving cert checking etc? That's part of their job.

    The breaks? I'm sure they get the legally entitled break or we'd have heard about it by now...

    Primary teaching is glorified childminding? You try and teach the extreme basics to 34 (Yes, 34) 4 year olds, some of which can't even speak any English. It is extremely stressful and teachers have to watch out for everything.


  • #519
    Martypants1
    Site Banned Posts: 806 ✭✭✭Martypants1


    Caoimhgh1n wrote: »
    The pay is quite low. You try and correct leaving certs for 8 hours in one sitting, 7 days a week.

    Better call the solicitors Caoimhin. ;)

    http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/employment/employment_rights_and_conditions/hours_of_work/rest_periods_and_breaks.html

    Or are you telling porkies?


  • #520
    Caoimhgh1n
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,499 ✭✭✭✭Caoimhgh1n


    mulbot wrote: »
    Can you say how much it is? I know a few teachers who do it every year because of the money,they definitely don't spend 56 hours a week correcting though!!

    The money varies depending on the amount of time the teacher was teaching and some other factors.

    It is an important part of the job. Teachers need to know how the exams work for their own students.


  • #521
    Caoimhgh1n
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,499 ✭✭✭✭Caoimhgh1n


    Martypants1 wrote: »
    Better call the solicitors Caoimhin. ;)

    http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/employment/employment_rights_and_conditions/hours_of_work/rest_periods_and_breaks.html

    Or are you telling porkies?

    Nope, deadlines have to be met.

    I will admit, not 8 hours EVERY day, but for 6 days yes.


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  • #522
    maudgonner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,455 ✭✭✭maudgonner


    Caoimhgh1n wrote: »
    The money varies depending on the amount of time the teacher was teaching and some other factors.

    It is an important part of the job. Teachers need to know how the exams work for their own students.

    Is it mandatory or optional? Because as far as I know it's optional and must be applied for. And it's quite keenly contested.


  • #523
    Martypants1
    Site Banned Posts: 806 ✭✭✭Martypants1


    Caoimhgh1n wrote: »
    Primary teaching is glorified childminding? You try and teach the extreme basics to 34 (Yes, 34) 4 year olds, some of which can't even speak any English. It is extremely stressful and teachers have to watch out for everything.

    What does a childminder in a creche do? Pretty sure they'd have the same description as what you just said eh?


  • #524
    mulbot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,643 ✭✭✭mulbot


    Caoimhgh1n wrote: »
    Nope, deadlines have to be met.

    I will admit, not 8 hours EVERY day, but for 6 days yes.

    Purely because I have witnessed some friends correcting I will strongly disagree with those hours,no way-One of my mates corrects his papers sitting down watching whatever is on discovery for a few hours at night


  • #525
    Caoimhgh1n
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,499 ✭✭✭✭Caoimhgh1n


    maudgonner wrote: »
    Is it mandatory or optional? Because as far as I know it's optional and must be applied for. And it's quite keenly contested.

    It is optional, but many consider it completely necessary. The teachers need to learn exactly how the exams are marked ect and the common mistakes made to help their own students.


  • #526
    Martypants1
    Site Banned Posts: 806 ✭✭✭Martypants1


    Caoimhgh1n wrote: »
    Nope, deadlines have to be met.

    I will admit, not 8 hours EVERY day, but for 6 days yes.

    Just read up, you get paid extra for this and it's optional. Maybe you're just slow at doing it and a more competent person would get it done in time and be able to take their breaks.


  • #527
    Caoimhgh1n
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,499 ✭✭✭✭Caoimhgh1n


    mulbot wrote: »
    Purely because I have witnessed some friends correcting I will strongly disagree with those hours,no way-One of my mates corrects his papers sitting down watching whatever is on discovery for a few hours at night

    Well, that friend is quite unprofessional, consider this is the rest of that student's life. Also, what does this friend teach? Some subjects are a lot more intensive to correct than others, and the number of papers can vary from 250 to a little over 400.


  • #528
    Martypants1
    Site Banned Posts: 806 ✭✭✭Martypants1


    Caoimhgh1n wrote: »
    It is optional, but many consider it completely necessary. The teachers need to learn exactly how the exams are marked ect and the common mistakes made to help their own students.

    Oh. My. God. I'm literally laughing here.

    Would they do it for free then?


  • #529
    Martypants1
    Site Banned Posts: 806 ✭✭✭Martypants1


    Caoimhgh1n wrote: »
    Inform yourself.

    They do not get paid for the holidays. Their pay is just spread out. They can choose to get paid the months they work, which would leave them without pay for the 3 months.

    If they don't get paid for the holidays how come temp teachers don't get paid the full salary in 9 months as the 12 the full time teachers get?


  • #530
    maudgonner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,455 ✭✭✭maudgonner


    Caoimhgh1n wrote: »
    It is optional, but many consider it completely necessary. The teachers need to learn exactly how the exams are marked ect and the common mistakes made to help their own students.

    Grand, so it's an optional temporary job, completely separate to their salaried job, which they get paid a separate wage for. Just to be completely clear.


    So it should have absolutely no bearing on how hard a teacher's job is because it is not part of a teacher's job.


  • #531
    Caoimhgh1n
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,499 ✭✭✭✭Caoimhgh1n


    Martypants1 wrote: »
    Just read up, you get paid extra for this and it's optional. Maybe you're just slow at doing it and a more competent person would get it done in time and be able to take their breaks.

    I don't do it? Also, I would rather an examiner spend the time needed to correct things thoroughly, rather than just wanting to take their breaks, like a lazy person, like you would suggest.


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  • #532
    mulbot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,643 ✭✭✭mulbot


    Caoimhgh1n wrote: »
    Well, that friend is quite unprofessional, consider this is the rest of that student's life. Also, what does this friend teach? Some subjects are a lot more intensive to correct than others, and the number of papers can vary from 250 to a little over 400.

    I'd say so too,but It's actually more realistic being honest,he teaches some "manual" subjects that have alot of theory papers,2 to 3 papers opened in front of him and off he goes


  • #533
    Caoimhgh1n
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,499 ✭✭✭✭Caoimhgh1n


    maudgonner wrote: »
    Grand, so it's an optional temporary job, completely separate to their salaried job, which they get paid a separate wage for. Just to be completely clear.


    So it should have absolutely no bearing on how hard a teacher's job is because it is not part of a teacher's job.

    It is if the teacher wants the best for themselves and their students. As I am explained.

    It does have bearings on the teachers' job, as I have explained.


  • #534
    KatW4
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,495 ✭✭✭KatW4


    cena wrote:
    Teachers don't need a pay rise. The get the same days off as the kids and get paid for summer holidays


    I'm a teacher and guess how much I made in 2015? 18 thousand euro. Thankfully I don't have to pay rent or I don't know what I'd do.

    We don't have the same holidays as the children because we have to go on courses, set our classrooms up, make plans and fill in forms.

    I am so sick and tired of people telling me that I don't deserve to be paid like a normal person, or teachers who have worked for a few more years than me, because I have more holidays than others. It makes me so bloody angry that people who aren't in the profession can make judgements like this.

    I'm sorry for the angry post but I'm fed up of reading this sort of thing all of the time.


  • #535
    Caoimhgh1n
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,499 ✭✭✭✭Caoimhgh1n


    mulbot wrote: »
    I'd say so too,but It's actually more realistic being honest,he teaches some "manual" subjects that have alot of theory papers,2 to 3 papers opened in front of him and off he goes

    Alright.


  • #536
    rubadub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,387 ✭✭✭✭rubadub


    tayto lover wrote: »
    Is that what you do, waxing scrotums?
    You're welcome to it.
    I wouldn't do that either.
    Great, I guessed you wouldn't, now can you realise why you calling peoples wages insulting may be very insulting to them? Or do you just not give a shit? Do you know any gardai? would you tell them to their face you think their wages are an insult?


  • #537
    Martypants1
    Site Banned Posts: 806 ✭✭✭Martypants1


    Caoimhgh1n wrote: »
    I don't do it? Also, I would rather an examiner spend the time needed to correct things thoroughly, rather than just wanting to take their breaks, like a lazy person, like you would suggest.

    Where did I suggest it?

    A competent person would get them correct thoroughly and correctly in the given timeframe and get their breaks too.


  • #538
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 57,077 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    KatW4 wrote: »
    I'm a teacher and guess how much I made in 2015? 18 thousand euro. Thankfully I don't have to pay rent or I don't know what I'd do.

    We don't have the same holidays as the children because we have to go on courses, set our classrooms up, make plans and fill in forms.

    I am so sick and tired of people telling me that I don't deserve to be paid like a normal person, or teachers who have worked for a few more years than me, because I have more holidays than others. It makes me so bloody angry that people who aren't in the profession can make judgements like this.

    I'm sorry for the angry post but I'm fed up of reading this sort of thing all of the time.

    Pass no remarks. There's a shower of ****artists on every thread regarding low paid workers telling them they are getting enough or too much. I don't know if they're on the wind-up or are employers who fear their own workers might want a raise if they see others getting anything. Same places, same faces.


  • #539
    Caoimhgh1n
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,499 ✭✭✭✭Caoimhgh1n


    Martypants1 wrote: »
    Where did I suggest it?

    A competent person would get them correct thoroughly and correctly in the given timeframe and get their breaks too.

    They still get 2 months of "breaks", they just have to meet the deadline.

    They still prepare for classes during these breaks too.


  • #540
    mulbot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,643 ✭✭✭mulbot


    Martypants1 wrote: »
    Where did I suggest it?

    A competent person would get them correct thoroughly and correctly in the given timeframe and get their breaks too.

    True,like at least one of my friends,who teaches,never really under any pressure to correct papers,lots of time to spare and extra money in his pocket


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  • #541
    cena
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,397 ✭✭✭✭cena


    Little CuChulainn wrote: »
    Putting aside the work they do outside the class, which you don't seem to value, the job is one of the most important there is. Why wouldn't you pay them top dollar?

    I never said I didn't respect a teachers job


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