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I'm very busy so excuse short reply...
Ye are all grazing rich, fertilized and therefore high protein grass. Contrary to common belief crude protein in your nut does NOT contribute to milk protein, in fact when you go over a certain level it will interfere with the absorption of energy and result in decrease of milk pr.
I have a very high energy diet for housed cows so pr in feed is important for me...however when cows are on grass the opposite is true, so I now concentrate on energy intakes, like now.
To confuse things a little there are different types of maize ranging from 1.22ufl to 1.44ufl. I crimp the 1.44ufl maize to be used when cows are on grass, and add to high starch maize silage when buffering. This is exactly what you guys need. End of. Now that is not possible for ye so what to do?
Buy the highest ufl you can afford, which is easy now as energy feed is at give away prices...Coops/merchants won't agree !
When you want to balance the pr in your diet you need to balance the pdin and pdie...now I'm getting technical...so NO rumen absorbed pr like rape, distillers etc. Ye could be grazing grass with proteins of up to 26/28% so to balance you need energy energy energy.
If you have these pr sources out of balance you are phucking your aminos microbes etc etc.
So to simplify...when your cows are grazing rich grass all you need is energy. Simples.
I'm not sold on things like megafats, snake oil or salt from Tibet, because you don't need anything only a properly balanced diet and genetics.
Also watch milk urea levels...amazed that nobody enquired about excessive MU levels, but that's another discussion.
As I said before, don't mind me, I talk shyte...0 -
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I'm very busy so excuse short reply...
Ye are all grazing rich, fertilized and therefore high protein grass. Contrary to common belief crude protein in your nut does NOT contribute to milk protein, in fact when you go over a certain level it will interfere with the absorption of energy and result in decrease of milk pr.
I have a very high energy diet for housed cows so pr in feed is important for me...however when cows are on grass the opposite is true, so I now concentrate on energy intakes, like now.
To confuse things a little there are different types of maize ranging from 1.22ufl to 1.44ufl. I crimp the 1.44ufl maize to be used when cows are on grass, and add to high starch maize silage when buffering. This is exactly what you guys need. End of. Now that is not possible for ye so what to do?
Buy the highest ufl you can afford, which is easy now as energy feed is at give away prices...Coops/merchants won't agree !
When you want to balance the pr in your diet you need to balance the pdin and pdie...now I'm getting technical...so NO rumen absorbed pr like rape, distillers etc. Ye could be grazing grass with proteins of up to 26/28% so to balance you need energy energy energy.
If you have these pr sources out of balance you are phucking your aminos microbes etc etc.
So to simplify...when your cows are grazing rich grass all you need is energy. Simples.
I'm not sold on things like megafats, snake oil or salt from Tibet, because you don't need anything only a properly balanced diet and genetics.
Also watch milk urea levels...amazed that nobody enquired about excessive MU levels, but that's another discussion.
As I said before, don't mind me, I talk shyte...
But the Shyte you preach dwag is high end stuff ,keep dishing it out !!!!!.excellent post0 -
I'm very busy so excuse short reply...
Ye are all grazing rich, fertilized and therefore high protein grass. Contrary to common belief crude protein in your nut does NOT contribute to milk protein, in fact when you go over a certain level it will interfere with the absorption of energy and result in decrease of milk pr.
I have a very high energy diet for housed cows so pr in feed is important for me...however when cows are on grass the opposite is true, so I now concentrate on energy intakes, like now.
To confuse things a little there are different types of maize ranging from 1.22ufl to 1.44ufl. I crimp the 1.44ufl maize to be used when cows are on grass, and add to high starch maize silage when buffering. This is exactly what you guys need. End of. Now that is not possible for ye so what to do?
Buy the highest ufl you can afford, which is easy now as energy feed is at give away prices...Coops/merchants won't agree !
When you want to balance the pr in your diet you need to balance the pdin and pdie...now I'm getting technical...so NO rumen absorbed pr like rape, distillers etc. Ye could be grazing grass with proteins of up to 26/28% so to balance you need energy energy energy.
If you have these pr sources out of balance you are phucking your aminos microbes etc etc.
So to simplify...when your cows are grazing rich grass all you need is energy. Simples.
I'm not sold on things like megafats, snake oil or salt from Tibet, because you don't need anything only a properly balanced diet and genetics.
Also watch milk urea levels...amazed that nobody enquired about excessive MU levels, but that's another discussion.
As I said before, don't mind me, I talk shyte...
I'd be in full agreement with dawg on the megalacs etc. I learned long ago not to feed anything that came in a bag to cows unless it was a min/vit supplement. Everything else was give us 25c/cow/day and we'll give you 35c of extra performance (read the small print). Never had anything other than a merchant's bill to show for the vast bulk of it and it's too expensive to sort the good from the bad. ...0 -
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This is a good thread. I'm not going to be drawn into a pseudo academic discussion on the minor points of whether Himalayan rock salt or yeucheac (!) is better.
KISS.
I'm saying what works for me...
I'm actually educated in philosophy...so if somebody wants to discuss the pre-Socratics, then fine. I don't have the time or energy to talk shyte...sorry.
Get on with it.
Any veiws on Searle’s Chinese Room argument?
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Heifer calved over the weekend. She was born 6th Jan 14, 6/7 weeks before time. Can't decide if she has calved at 25months or 27months
Wouldn't normally keep a heifer calving this late but there would have been mutiny here if I sold her, she took a lot of TLC as a calf. Fine heifer now only two notches left in the kick bar when on her. A Spooky out of an Oman.0 -
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Brown Podzol wrote: »Heifer calved over the weekend. She was born 6th Jan 14, 6/7 weeks before time. Can't decide if she has calved at 25months or 27months
Wouldn't normally keep a heifer calving this late but there would have been mutiny here if I sold her, she took a lot of TLC as a calf. Fine heifer now only two notches left in the kick bar when on her. A Spooky out of an Oman.
One like that here also. Loads of tlc in the morhers garage as a calf. Would only walk beside whoever was driving the group as a calf/heifer. Calved at three years, that was two years ago. Second calf in Feb. Only consolation is that she supplied €4900 of milk during her first lactation according to the mr report. She's having some effect on the ci though.0 -
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