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visatorro · 26-03-2016 07:34PM

Dawggone wrote: »

I spent the day spreading fym with the big spreader...four shearbolts and many prayers said. Covered in shyte from head to toe...I'm too old for this craic.

Off now to try and clean. I'm thinking the aftershave will have to be used as off to a fancy restaurant (don't need to stink the place).

Brute I'd say!!

Dawggone · 26-03-2016 07:37PM

visatorro wrote: »

Brute I'd say!!

Lol.

Many moons ago while in a niteclub in NY I remember commenting on a lady's perfume 'It's called Available' she said...

cjpm · 26-03-2016 08:30PM

Dawggone wrote: »

Lol.

Many moons ago while in a niteclub in NY I remember commenting on a lady's perfume 'It's called Available' she said...

Are you sure she was a lady... I'm thinking Crocodile Dundee in NY

He used to double check!

ted_182 · 26-03-2016 09:00PM

Does anyone know if you lease a slatted shed will it count as slurry storage even if you don't have any cows/cattle in the shed, just leasing it to have enough storage on paper? If ye can make sense of what I'm trying to ask?

visatorro · 26-03-2016 09:12PM

ted_182 wrote: »

Does anyone know if you lease a slatted shed will it count as slurry storage even if you don't have any cows/cattle in the shed, just leasing it to have enough storage on paper? If ye can make sense of what I'm trying to ask?

Fairly sure an ex boards guy used to do what your talking about.

visatorro · 26-03-2016 10:35PM

22 litres, 3. 87 fat, 3.33, protect. Urea 18. Still housed by night. Most cows getting 3 kg of 18% maize nut in parlour and another half kilo thru diet feeder with middling quality silage. 40 % calved before 15 Dec. Just over half paddocks grazed. Lost 15% of milking platform. Could do with another warm week. But think it's rain for the week.

kevthegaff · 26-03-2016 11:01PM

visatorro wrote: »

22 litres, 3. 87 fat, 3.33, protect. Urea 18. Still housed by night. Most cows getting 3 kg of 18% maize nut in parlour and another half kilo thru diet feeder with middling quality silage. 40 % calved before 15 Dec. Just over half paddocks grazed. Lost 15% of milking platform. Could do with another warm week. But think it's rain for the week.

Where are u vis?

visatorro · 26-03-2016 11:08PM

kevthegaff wrote: »

Where are u vis?

In bed

kevthegaff · 26-03-2016 11:15PM

visatorro wrote: »

In bed

Have ye not better things to be doing there :-D

mahoney_j · 26-03-2016 11:16PM

visatorro wrote: »

22 litres, 3. 87 fat, 3.33, protect. Urea 18. Still housed by night. Most cows getting 3 kg of 18% maize nut in parlour and another half kilo thru diet feeder with middling quality silage. 40 % calved before 15 Dec. Just over half paddocks grazed. Lost 15% of milking platform. Could do with another warm week. But think it's rain for the week.

What's age profile of herd ??,diet looks lacking in energy .3 .5 kg of 18 and average quality silage is hardly sufficient I reckon

visatorro · 26-03-2016 11:17PM

Well there's four in the bed tonight. Mammy is snoring and two lads keep slapping me in the face. I may throw abit of straw in a hutch or something for myself

Buford T. Justice XIX · 27-03-2016 12:30AM

visatorro wrote: »

Well there's four in the bed tonight. Mammy is snoring and two lads keep slapping me in the face. I may throw abit of straw in a hutch or something for myself

Tis only for 20 years or so.

As a friend says, you get free quicker for murder.

visatorro · 27-03-2016 06:52PM

mahoney_j wrote: »

What's age profile of herd ??,diet looks lacking in energy .3 .5 kg of 18 and average quality silage is hardly sufficient I reckon

It's not an old herd, fairly even spread from heifers upward. Although there's no ten year old cows!!
I think you are right but cows are showing strong heats and look in good order. Is urea not OK. I wouldn't have the quality of cows as you and an building from a low point solid wise. I'm thinking about dropping the grade of the nuts. No point in going too mad firing nuts into for no return.
Silage quality is an ongoing row here!!

Timmaay · 27-03-2016 08:05PM

ted_182 wrote: »

Does anyone know if you lease a slatted shed will it count as slurry storage even if you don't have any cows/cattle in the shed, just leasing it to have enough storage on paper? If ye can make sense of what I'm trying to ask?

If you get asked during a cross compliance check, of course you do use it when needs be, you transport the slurry down to it and then back to yourown place for spreading etc.

mahoney_j · 27-03-2016 08:17PM

visatorro wrote: »

It's not an old herd, fairly even spread from heifers upward. Although there's no ten year old cows!!
I think you are right but cows are showing strong heats and look in good order. Is urea not OK. I wouldn't have the quality of cows as you and an building from a low point solid wise. I'm thinking about dropping the grade of the nuts. No point in going too mad firing nuts into for no return.
Silage quality is an ongoing row here!!

Urea at 18 is low and a signal of low p and more important energy in diet .youd like to see urea levels of 25/30

Milked out · 27-03-2016 08:40PM

Last 7 calves to land here were off lic bulls wds and kjt. Cows calved fine themselves but they are big calves, including a set of twins as big as the singles before em. Wasn't expecting anything small but not consistently big either. Cows only dry since mid Jan.

Dawggone · 27-03-2016 08:44PM

mahoney_j wrote: »

Urea at 18 is low and a signal of low p and more important energy in diet .youd like to see urea levels of 25/30

Yes on protein, but not a metric for energy.
28 to 32 would be ideal.

kevthegaff · 27-03-2016 09:49PM

Timmaay wrote: »

If you get asked during a cross compliance check, of course you do use it when needs be, you transport the slurry down to it and then back to yourown place for spreading etc.

I'd say you do Timmaay;-)

kevthegaff · 27-03-2016 09:52PM

Dawggone wrote: »

Yes on protein, but not a metric for energy.
28 to 32 would be ideal.

Lovely at 32, the only thing I'm doing right this year! Cow with milk fever yesterday, another one with blackspot. Never liked march/April, all problems rolled into 5 weeks

pedigree 6 · 27-03-2016 10:43PM

I was thinking ye were coming back with some high levels of milk urea.
My last test was 26.

So I had a look back at the milk urea levels for last year.
It averaged 18 for april and 17 for may. Going from 25 to 10.

Then I had a look at what glanbia say about milk urea.
Low MU levels may indicate lack of protein in the diet relative to energy.
This may lead to a low volume of milk being produced.

High MU levels may indicate excess protein or lack of energy in the diet.
This may lead to a low volume of milk being produced.
It may affect fertility and milk production.

Now last breeding season was the best season I ever had for conception and if I can replicate it again this year i'll have a good sup of milk in the tank again next feb and march.

freedominacup · 27-03-2016 10:50PM

Dawggone wrote: »

Yes on protein, but not a metric for energy.
28 to 32 would be ideal.

As usual dawg is on the money. If you're not hitting 25 you need to look at diet pr.

pedigree 6 · 27-03-2016 10:54PM

freedominacup wrote: »

As usual dawg is on the money. If you're not hitting 25 you need to look at diet pr.

It's a balance between producing milk and getting them in calf though.

Dawggone · 28-03-2016 12:57PM

pedigree 6 wrote: »

I was thinking ye were coming back with some high levels of milk urea.
My last test was 26.

So I had a look back at the milk urea levels for last year.
It averaged 18 for april and 17 for may. Going from 25 to 10.

Then I had a look at what glanbia say about milk urea.
Low MU levels may indicate lack of protein in the diet relative to energy.
This may lead to a low volume of milk being produced.

High MU levels may indicate excess protein or lack of energy in the diet.
This may lead to a low volume of milk being produced.
It may affect fertility and milk production.

Now last breeding season was the best season I ever had for conception and if I can replicate it again this year i'll have a good sup of milk in the tank again next feb and march.

I don't think there is a test that you can do for energy in milk, other than poor/reduced production and decreasing BCS.

If MU goes over 40 during the breeding season you run a high risk of embryonic mortality...I've that teeshirt somewhere.

Edit. At MU of under 28 you're leaving liters after you.

Dawggone · 28-03-2016 01:00PM

Application for dairy farms to convert to organic has trebled since Jan.

That'll sort the organic prices...

C0N0R · 28-03-2016 01:13PM

If you divide your protein by your fat and get anything bellow 0.8 then you lacking energy in the diet is what I was taught.

Dawggone · 28-03-2016 01:25PM

C0N0R wrote: »

If you divide your protein by your fat and get anything bellow 0.8 then you lacking energy in the diet is what I was taught.

Always a good rule of thumb.

I was feeding maize crimp (2kg) along with forage maize to fresh calvers in October before I'd gotten forage analysis returned. The forage was better than anticipated so I dropped the crimp...immediately the yield jumped by three liters and solids stayed the same.

jaymla627 · 28-03-2016 01:26PM

freedominacup wrote: »

As usual dawg is on the money. If you're not hitting 25 you need to look at diet pr.

Very low milk urea, trundling along 14-17 cows on 7kg 16% nut 82dmd silage 15%p and nice leafy covers of grass during the day....
Last test results where 3.39p/3.9bf 29 litres, dont really think I need to up p as I'll strip condition of cows and noting wrong with yield per cow, reckon when growth kicks in and I start second round it will rocket back up

Dawggone · 28-03-2016 01:32PM

jaymla627 wrote: »

Very low milk urea, trundling along 14-17 cows on 7kg 16% nut 82dmd silage 15%p and nice leafy covers of grass during the day....
Last test results where 3.39p/3.9bf 29 litres, dont really think I need to up p as I'll strip condition of cows and noting wrong with yield per cow, reckon when growth kicks in and I start second round it will rocket back up

Too much high soluble proteins...you're leaving liters after you Jay, but if your happy with that...
Protein doesn't strip BCS from cows, lack of energy does. What protein source in the 16% nut?

jaymla627 · 28-03-2016 02:00PM

Dawggone wrote: »

Too much high soluble proteins...you're leaving liters after you Jay, but if your happy with that...
Protein doesn't strip BCS from cows, lack of energy does. What protein source in the 16% nut?

Soya bean meal protein source, don't really want to push them any harder 90% of the herd is in lovely order and well set up for breeding....
Silage will be out of diet in the next few days once weather takes up and they should push on from their

C0N0R · 28-03-2016 02:00PM

Dawggone wrote: »

Too much high soluble proteins...you're leaving liters after you Jay, but if your happy with that...
Protein doesn't strip BCS from cows, lack of energy does. What protein source in the 16% nut?

As in too much protein is been degraded in the rumen??

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