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Kilkenny GAA Thread Part 2 **MOD NOTE POST 1***

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,747 ✭✭✭brookville


    dubcat51 wrote: »
    for me power and martin dont cut it at this level.power has many attributes but just doesnt put it all in for me.crummy really bullied maher off the ball yesterday and he never got going.like others on here I would like to see bolger get a chance.goal scorer all ends up.also would like to see blanchfield get a chance in the forwards.looked a real talent at minor and should now be looking to push into the team.as it stands for me the championship team would be the same as last year except I PERSONALLY would go for bolger to replace awylard.also have to agree with others that I cant see cody being mobile enough for championship in midfield.(but has done ok in the league)

    I agree I thought maher was pushed around but his still young and devolving and I'd be confident there's enough in him to make him a regular starter when he develops fully,personally I think bolger will be codys trump card in the summer let's not forget ger only came into the reckoning after the limerick match and walter wasn't even a sub in the semi final in 12.liam blanchfield and chris bolger will be more of a threat when the ground hardens


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,317 ✭✭✭blackcard


    brookville wrote: »
    I agree I thought maher was pushed around but his still young and devolving and I'd be confident there's enough in him to make him a regular starter when he develops fully,personally I think bolger will be codys trump card in the summer let's not forget ger only came into the reckoning after the limerick match and walter wasn't even a sub in the semi final in 12.liam blanchfield and chris bolger will be more of a threat when the ground hardens

    James Maher
    Kevin Kelly
    JonJo Farrell
    Chris Bolger
    John Power
    Liam Blanchfield
    Conor Martin
    Michael Malone

    That would be my order of the players from which one or more will be picked to start in the Championship. I would add that I think Chris Bolger and Liam Blanchfield have the most scope for improvement
    With Mark Kelly gone, I don't know is there anyone else that should be added to the list above? John Walsh and Sean Morrissey next year maybe?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 552 ✭✭✭Topcat32


    blackcard wrote: »
    James Maher
    Kevin Kelly
    JonJo Farrell
    Chris Bolger
    John Power
    Liam Blanchfield
    Conor Martin
    Michael Malone

    That would be my order of the players from which one or more will be picked to start in the Championship. I would add that I think Chris Bolger and Liam Blanchfield have the most scope for improvement
    With Mark Kelly gone, I don't know is there anyone else that should be added to the list above? John Walsh and Sean Morrissey next year maybe?

    Beyond what you have mentioned Ciaran Ryan, Alan Murphy and Richie Leahy have looked good at underage level.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 114 ✭✭Michael Kavanagh


    We need to do well in the U21 championship this year to bring on hurlers like Maher, Leahy, those jj Farrell is there a long time Brian kennedy they don't seem to be improving maybe other people might see different.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,747 ✭✭✭brookville


    Its a big year for the u21s james maher and liam blachfield should lead the attack with sean morrissey,john walsh maybe luke scanlon if his pushed up.alan murphy should be a bit stronger.ciarian ryan and billy ryan both good hurlers.the backs should be strong evan cody,paddy deegan,jason cleere,ciaran delaney,wallace


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,369 ✭✭✭JJs Left Hand


    Richie Leahy is probably the most talented minor we've produced since Richie Hogan from what I seen last year. Hard to see him not being on the U21 team


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,747 ✭✭✭brookville


    Richie Leahy is probably the most talented minor we've produced since Richie Hogan from what I seen last year. Hard to see him not being on the U21 team

    Id expect leahy to be midfield with mullins or scanlon


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,561 ✭✭✭✭dastardly00


    Did Michael Malone (Mullinavat) come on as a sub against Dublin, and was replaced before the end of the match? I presume he picked up an injury?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 421 ✭✭droppingball


    Malone came on and took a very heavy shoulder to the head fairly soon after he came on, looked like he was out cold for a few seconds and was replaced by Kevin Kelly I think


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,561 ✭✭✭✭dastardly00


    Malone came on and took a very heavy shoulder to the head fairly soon after he came on, looked like he was out cold for a few seconds and was replaced by Kevin Kelly I think

    Thanks. I wasn't at the game so I wasn't sure what had happened.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 60 ✭✭Mexcanelo


    I can't see anyone troubling The Cats in the championship again this year. They are just on another level to everyone else.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 219 ✭✭PlayByTheRules


    Am wondering who came out of the JonJo Farrell vs. Cian O'Callaghan battle? That JonJo is a handful but more of a hustler than a finisher from what I have seen of him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,747 ✭✭✭brookville


    Am wondering who came out of the JonJo Farrell vs. Cian O'Callaghan battle? That JonJo is a handful but more of a hustler than a finisher from what I have seen of him.

    Cian won the battle john joe won a free or two and caught a ball or two but he wont put enough on the board


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,066 ✭✭✭tbiggertycome


    Over all I'm happy with the league campaign so far, like some others on here I would've preferred to see a few other lads given a chance to prove themselves in competition and strengthen the bench. After the Waterford game i wouldn't have been panicking or anything but if you told me we'd finish top of the League table with only that loss I'd have been very happy with that. This is how I see our main contenders for the AI

    Tipp- have been a bit up and down while running up some serious scores, they've also leaked goals. Bubbles only coming on at the end of games to help them over the line, Callanan only back for the last match v Cork. Tipp have unearthed two or three good players who will make a difference come the business end of the year. Ronan Maher at CB has looked decent and Michael Breen in midfield has looked very good especially going forward, John McGrath is not his brother but would be effective in the corner and will cause trouble. Add that with Jason Forde to come back and Tipp have a strong 6 to 15 and the other 5 are ok with Cathal Barrett being very good. I think they're susceptible to having their pocket robbed even though their putting up big scores. Will definitely be our biggest challenge.

    Waterford- were going very strong and will be serious competition but I just don't see how they can beat a full strength championship Kilkenny or Tipp without comitting more to the forwards. Some will say well they've beaten both so far but they beat Kilkenny in a bog and just squeezed past Tipp missing a few marquess forwards, I just don't see them being able to do the same on a good summer sod and against full strength panels from either of the top two. They have some fabulous young players like Austin Gleeson, Shane Barrett, Patrick Curran, Colin Dunford mixed in with a few of the older heads. I'd love to see them play with another man committed futher forward or at least running forward to support more readily and quicker than they are at present. If they can do this effectively they could be a serious threat.

    Dublin- I really expected more from Dublin on Sunday in the park but they also didn't put out their strongest team and held back McCaffrey (until they were getting wiped) and Dotsy (was warming up all game)who has been one of their more influential forwards from what I've seen of them so far this year. I don't think those player would have made 6 points of difference but it would have been a tougher game. I think Dublin are probably 2 or 3 top players from being a top contender but they do have Conal Keaney to come back but if they had Danny Sutcliffe I'd be confident they could go very well this summer I think the Ger Cunningham project is coming together nicely. They do need to sort out their short puck outs it caused them trouble numerous times. As a lad I go to matches with says "See them short puckouts? They should be banned, ruining the game!!"

    Galway- All over the place so far and can't at this moment in time be serious contenders but we've all seen Galway teams galvanise and turn it around in a week or two so nothing would surprise me with them but they had so little fight in them against us in the park I'm not surprised their in a relegation final. They should be a lot better with the quality of players they have.

    Cork- Just don't have the players at the minute can do alright when they really apply themselves but this seems to only be the odd time or if a lad gets a flake of a hurl or something to get them geed up. They could be competitive but no better if they tried 100% for 70mins in every match but they're not going to be contenders

    Clare- Haven't seen enough to form a full opinion yet but from the bit I've seen their probably only a little better than last year so far. For me they have some great players and a suspect manager.

    Limerick- Again I haven't seen a whole lot of them but hopefully with the Na Pairsaigh lads back and the first AI club title for the county it can give them a boost. They have some very good players but very little to no consistence they can be great for 20 minutes and not be seen for another 3 matches type of effort.

    Wexford- not contenders getting better though if they can get a few wins they can get that great support out with them and that can drive a team beyond what you'd expect.

    Offaly- nope
    Laois- nope
    Kerry- nope
    Carlow- nope
    Westmeath- nope

    Kilkenny- I think we're still probably favourites with how we've preformed so far and given who we have to return. If you take the Tipp match and see how we did that day I think is a great indicator of the relative strengths of the teams. That day we played without Richie Hogan, Cillian Buckley, Kieran Joyce (for a lot of it only came on at the end for Joey Holden) Michael Fennelly, Eoin Larkin, Jackie Tyrrell. Tipp were missing Seamie Callanan, Jason Forde and Bubbles for most of the game. I still think a full strength Kilkenny team will have the measure of anything we've seen so far this year.

    My starting 15
    E Murphy
    P Murphy J Holden J Tyrrell
    P Walsh K Joyce C Buckley
    C Fogarty M Fennelly
    W Walsh TJ Reid R Hogan
    C Fennelly K Kelly E Larkin

    Subs
    R Reid
    S Prendergast
    B Kennedy
    R Lennon
    C O'Shea
    L Ryan
    J Power
    C Bolger
    J Maher
    JJ Farrell
    L Blanchfield


    Thats a tough team to beat but will we be able to get them all on the field on the same day?
    Injuries at the minute:
    Fogarty should be ready soon.
    I think Tyrrell is still a better option than S Prendergast nothing against him but Jackie just has a bit more once the rust is run off him.
    M Fennelly will play Championship have no doubt.
    Larkin I expect to be in great shape from reports I heard from his Christmas visit home.
    I'm the opposite of most on here and actually think R Hogan needs more playing time not less to sharpen him up.

    We're in big trouble if we got two or three serious injuries to any of that starting 15.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 90 ✭✭PáircLife


    [QUOTE=

    My starting 15
    E Murphy
    P Murphy J Holden J Tyrrell
    P Walsh K Joyce C Buckley
    C Fogarty M Fennelly
    W Walsh TJ Reid R Hogan
    C Fennelly K Kelly E Larkin

    Subs
    R Reid
    S Prendergast
    B Kennedy
    R Lennon
    C O'Shea
    L Ryan
    J Power
    C Bolger
    J Maher
    JJ Farrell
    L Blanchfield


    Thats a tough team to beat but will we be able to get them all on the field on the same day?
    Injuries at the minute:
    Fogarty should be ready soon.
    I think Tyrrell is still a better option than S Prendergast nothing against him but Jackie just has a bit more once the rust is run off him.
    M Fennelly will play Championship have no doubt.
    Larkin I expect to be in great shape from reports I heard from his Christmas visit home.
    I'm the opposite of most on here and actually think R Hogan needs more playing time not less to sharpen him up.
    [/QUOTE]

    Wish I could agree with starting Jackie corner back but I can't, he's lost his pace. The word liability comes to mind when I hear Jackie is corner back. Would not like to see the likes of Jason Flynn, Cathal Mannion, Shane Bennett, John McGrath, Shane O'Donnell going in to mark him. He has cuteness that can't be taught but his legs are just letting him down.

    I agree that Richie needs a few more games, won't take much to sharpen him up I'd predict, the man is gifted!

    Looks a strong team and will be hard bet. Hopefully they can stay injury free as the bench doesn't fill me with optimism unfortunately...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,369 ✭✭✭JJs Left Hand


    There's no way Kevin Kelly can play full forward. Will get bullied out of every game. Plays in the corner or sits on his arse.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 421 ✭✭droppingball


    I have a feeling we won't see Kevin Kelly for rest of the year after the league. Just doesn't attack the ball with conviction, frustrating because he has it it all, we seem to be a forward light though and if we get injuries we are in trouble


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 114 ✭✭Michael Kavanagh


    Malone got a very high tackle last sunday , I saw the article about all the dangerous tackles that have gone unpunished on the irish independent to day regarding Kilkenny hurlers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,747 ✭✭✭brookville




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 364 ✭✭unrealtime


    Could not see Tyrell or Kelly there. Maher looks very promising and Shan Prendergast needs more time


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 731 ✭✭✭dubcat51


    to early to be writing jackie off.alot of training and hurling to be done before we play first game in the championship.as for the opposition I think limerick will be dark horses in munster.with the na piarsaigh players back I fancy them to cause a few shocks.draw has been kind once again for galway in leinster but they lack real bollocks for me.dirt has been more their thing over the last few years.wexford should be better but all does not seem well behind the scenes.they really need a result against the dubs.tipp look strong but indiscpline and a suspect full back line may be their undoing.as for clare we will wait and see how they shape up.sweeper or no sweeper.waterford talented but system seems more important than talent.cant see a team who dont score goals winning all ireland.as for cork talented forwards need to play natural game and find some grit and determination.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 731 ✭✭✭dubcat51


    on a seperate note.what 1 player would you pick from another team to play on our 15.for me it would be conor lehane from cork given we need a forward since ger out and richie retired.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 421 ✭✭droppingball


    Callanan for me as I feel we are playing TJ in half forward line and Richie Hogan in side but if we had another scoring machine inside then two boys would do loads of damage out the field also.

    This team with a fast eddie type goal poacher would bring it on a lot, feels like the type of player we are missing, Colin Fennelly has the pace but not the finishing.

    If not Callanan I would take Cathal Barrett.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,561 ✭✭✭✭dastardly00


    I'd pick Séamus Callanan as well. Full-forward target man. Exactly what we need.

    Other than that I wouldn't mind seeing what Joe Canning could do if he wore a KK jersey :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,113 ✭✭✭galwaylad14


    I'd pick Séamus Callanan as well. Full-forward target man. Exactly what we need.

    Other than that I wouldn't mind seeing what Joe Canning could do if he wore a KK jersey :)

    If Joe wore the black and amber then the rest of the country would be best advised to just start playing cricket or some other sport!

    Thankfully for us though he plays in maroon


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 931 ✭✭✭Cornerback1


    Topcat32 wrote: »
    Who would you expect to see start instead of John Power, not having a go at what you have said above, just curious to see who will take Ger Aylwards spot. Not much really between Kevin Kelly, James Maher and John Power based on the performances in the league. Can't see Conor Martin or JJ Farell starting and Chris Bolger appears to out of favour a bit.

    For the summer and all being well - Murphy as keeper..anyone think R Reid can stake a claim?


    Well I'd say defence will be the settled six of Pm, Joey and Shane. Half back line of PW, Joyce in the middle and CB on the wing. MF and CF, if fit, will be the midfield pairing.

    Lester is doing well in my opinion and is good back up. Anyone see him as a option at half forward? Scoring more points than any of the lads who have came in this season.

    Half forward line of Wally, Richie Hogan and ???

    Full forward of T.J., Colin F. and Eoin Larkin.

    Half forward or corner forward position, depending on system, available!!!

    Between Maher, J Power, Bolger or Kevin Kelly???

    Have i left anyone out?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 931 ✭✭✭Cornerback1


    Over all I'm happy with the league campaign so far, like some others on here I would've preferred to see a few other lads given a chance to prove themselves in competition and strengthen the bench. After the Waterford game i wouldn't have been panicking or anything but if you told me we'd finish top of the League table with only that loss I'd have been very happy with that. This is how I see our main contenders for the AI

    Tipp- have been a bit up and down while running up some serious scores, they've also leaked goals. Bubbles only coming on at the end of games to help them over the line, Callanan only back for the last match v Cork. Tipp have unearthed two or three good players who will make a difference come the business end of the year. Ronan Maher at CB has looked decent and Michael Breen in midfield has looked very good especially going forward, John McGrath is not his brother but would be effective in the corner and will cause trouble. Add that with Jason Forde to come back and Tipp have a strong 6 to 15 and the other 5 are ok with Cathal Barrett being very good. I think they're susceptible to having their pocket robbed even though their putting up big scores. Will definitely be our biggest challenge.

    Waterford- were going very strong and will be serious competition but I just don't see how they can beat a full strength championship Kilkenny or Tipp without comitting more to the forwards. Some will say well they've beaten both so far but they beat Kilkenny in a bog and just squeezed past Tipp missing a few marquess forwards, I just don't see them being able to do the same on a good summer sod and against full strength panels from either of the top two. They have some fabulous young players like Austin Gleeson, Shane Barrett, Patrick Curran, Colin Dunford mixed in with a few of the older heads. I'd love to see them play with another man committed futher forward or at least running forward to support more readily and quicker than they are at present. If they can do this effectively they could be a serious threat.

    Dublin- I really expected more from Dublin on Sunday in the park but they also didn't put out their strongest team and held back McCaffrey (until they were getting wiped) and Dotsy (was warming up all game)who has been one of their more influential forwards from what I've seen of them so far this year. I don't think those player would have made 6 points of difference but it would have been a tougher game. I think Dublin are probably 2 or 3 top players from being a top contender but they do have Conal Keaney to come back but if they had Danny Sutcliffe I'd be confident they could go very well this summer I think the Ger Cunningham project is coming together nicely. They do need to sort out their short puck outs it caused them trouble numerous times. As a lad I go to matches with says "See them short puckouts? They should be banned, ruining the game!!"

    Galway- All over the place so far and can't at this moment in time be serious contenders but we've all seen Galway teams galvanise and turn it around in a week or two so nothing would surprise me with them but they had so little fight in them against us in the park I'm not surprised their in a relegation final. They should be a lot better with the quality of players they have.

    Cork- Just don't have the players at the minute can do alright when they really apply themselves but this seems to only be the odd time or if a lad gets a flake of a hurl or something to get them geed up. They could be competitive but no better if they tried 100% for 70mins in every match but they're not going to be contenders

    Clare- Haven't seen enough to form a full opinion yet but from the bit I've seen their probably only a little better than last year so far. For me they have some great players and a suspect manager.

    Limerick- Again I haven't seen a whole lot of them but hopefully with the Na Pairsaigh lads back and the first AI club title for the county it can give them a boost. They have some very good players but very little to no consistence they can be great for 20 minutes and not be seen for another 3 matches type of effort.

    Wexford- not contenders getting better though if they can get a few wins they can get that great support out with them and that can drive a team beyond what you'd expect.

    Offaly- nope
    Laois- nope
    Kerry- nope
    Carlow- nope
    Westmeath- nope

    Kilkenny- I think we're still probably favourites with how we've preformed so far and given who we have to return. If you take the Tipp match and see how we did that day I think is a great indicator of the relative strengths of the teams. That day we played without Richie Hogan, Cillian Buckley, Kieran Joyce (for a lot of it only came on at the end for Joey Holden) Michael Fennelly, Eoin Larkin, Jackie Tyrrell. Tipp were missing Seamie Callanan, Jason Forde and Bubbles for most of the game. I still think a full strength Kilkenny team will have the measure of anything we've seen so far this year.

    My starting 15
    E Murphy
    P Murphy J Holden J Tyrrell
    P Walsh K Joyce C Buckley
    C Fogarty M Fennelly
    W Walsh TJ Reid R Hogan
    C Fennelly K Kelly E Larkin

    Subs
    R Reid
    S Prendergast
    B Kennedy
    R Lennon
    C O'Shea
    L Ryan
    J Power
    C Bolger
    J Maher
    JJ Farrell
    L Blanchfield


    Thats a tough team to beat but will we be able to get them all on the field on the same day?
    Injuries at the minute:
    Fogarty should be ready soon.
    I think Tyrrell is still a better option than S Prendergast nothing against him but Jackie just has a bit more once the rust is run off him.
    M Fennelly will play Championship have no doubt.
    Larkin I expect to be in great shape from reports I heard from his Christmas visit home.
    I'm the opposite of most on here and actually think R Hogan needs more playing time not less to sharpen him up.

    We're in big trouble if we got two or three serious injuries to any of that starting 15.

    Excellent analysis. I would be very worried if T.J. got injured.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 931 ✭✭✭Cornerback1


    dubcat51 wrote: »
    on a seperate note.what 1 player would you pick from another team to play on our 15.for me it would be conor lehane from cork given we need a forward since ger out and richie retired.

    Good question - i think we'd need to be creating more goal chances. Lehane was good last week alright.

    I'd go for Austin Gleeson. Bit of a loose cannon but loads and loads of talent. Might not be the ultimate team player but he'd be be unpredictable on the KK....if BC wasn't the manager!!!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,747 ✭✭✭brookville


    If I could pick a forward I'd go for callanhan.his being in great form for the last two years and unlucky to miss out on hoty.joe is a player I love watching when his on his game.harnedy deserves a mention aswell his not as flashy as the other two but his very effective.I'd pick barrett or connors in defence........what kind of team would we me to see the next day?hopefully tj will get a rest and we get a look at lennon again and maybe liam blanchfield and conor o shea


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 654 ✭✭✭jeff bingham


    Has Sean O Shea of Clara ever been on the panel? Has always stood out at full back any club match iv seen


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