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Modern society and porn

  • 23-03-2016 12:53PM
    #1
    beach_walker
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    I did some reading a while ago about how porn can affect and change our brains. I knew offhand that it was bad but the true extent of the damage that can be done was a real eye-opener. I decided then and there to quit, and I haven't so much as launched an Incognito tab in over a month. I do feel much better mentally and (while it could be completely unrelated) I've been doing much better with the fairer sex lately.

    Do you watch much of it? Do you think that due to the massive amount of porn being consumed worldwide and at ever younger ages, that society is in for some major problems down the road? Or do you disagree :) I think whatever your stance the growing availability and normalisation of it is something we need to talk about.


    Disclaimer: I put the Modern Society bit at the start so that the P word won't show on the top of your browser tab, I'm looking out for my hommies at work.


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  • #2
    donegaLroad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,379 ✭✭✭donegaLroad


    yes, major problems down the road, and are probably already here. Availability of hard core porn online to a potentially very young audience is a recipe for social meltdown; an erosion of moral standards has occurred with the advancement of digital technology.

    And this is not just in relation to porn.

    Torture, beheadings etc. are all available online for any person to watch. Children will become hardened and will eventually lose respect for human life.


  • #3
    Duggy747
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,295 ✭✭✭✭Duggy747


    Nothing wrong with a bit of the ol' black amputee sucking toilet seat handjob porn!..........yes, you can Google that one :pac:

    I see porn like anything else, in normal balance it's perfectly fine. Being heavy into it to the point that it affects your relationships / social skills / mental state then you obviously need to step away...........just like anything else that might enable that addictive side of you. (Gambling, for example)
    I think whatever your stance the growing availability and normalisation of it is something we need to talk about.

    It definitely needs to be talked about but sex, masturbation and porn is still something in this day and age that's treated like it should be feared or that it's a sinful act.

    That porn would crumble society rather than actually educate people (young and old) about the difference of fantasy and reality. Showing how porn is actually made and what the performers go through in the industry would go a long way in showing people this.

    Attempts to ban or censor will do nothing but increase curiosity and just hope to sweep things under the carpet.

    We learnt nothing in our school about sex except all the diseases we'd get if we acted on it, zero education on anything else about it. Thinking about sex? Pregnancy! Want to engage in oral? STDs!

    Had to learn the rest through Biology class and TV shows / movies / porn :D


  • #4
    RGDATA!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,324 ✭✭✭RGDATA!


    what did you read and what is the "true extent of the damage which can be done"? Not challenging you, just curious.


  • #5
    Irishcrx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,861 ✭✭✭Irishcrx


    Honestly (Male) and have never been into porn, I'd look at the odd naked picture but in terms of watching videos or porn stars the whole thing never appealed to me, prefer to just have sex..


  • #6
    qo2cj1dsne8y4k
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,646 ✭✭✭✭qo2cj1dsne8y4k


    What? I don't see anything wrong with watching porn as long as whoevers in the porn know they're making porn. I feel weird watching amateur stuff because I'm never sure if it's revenge porn or not


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  • #7
    Falthyron
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,835 ✭✭✭Falthyron


    beach_walker wrote: »
    I did some reading a while ago about how alcohol can affect and change our brains. I knew offhand that it was bad but the true extent of the damage that can be done was a real eye-opener. I decided then and there to quit, and I haven't so much as tasted a drop in over a month. I do feel much better mentally and (while it could be completely unrelated) I've been doing much better with the fairer sex lately.

    Do you drink much of it? Do you think that due to the massive amount of alcohol being consumed worldwide and at ever younger ages, that society is in for some major problems down the road? Or do you disagree :) I think whatever your stance the growing availability and normalisation of it is something we need to talk about.

    I have fixed your original post. :P Seriously though, exchange porn/alcohol for any other substance/hobby/past-time/thing that draws attention and entertains and the nature of the debate stays the same, its just the character that changes.

    Everything in moderation, including moderation itself.


  • #8
    jester77
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,264 ✭✭✭✭jester77


    It depends on how you consume porn.

    If you have stashes of porn hidden in sub folders, you find yourself sneaking away for a quick one, you like to watch alone when no one else is around or you end up binge watching, then maybe you have a problem and should seek some help.

    Watching in moderation is ok. I'm more of a quality over quantity type of guy. I like my craft porn.


  • #9
    valoren
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,706 ✭✭✭valoren


    It has the potential to warp expectations for today's media savvy youth.

    When it comes (pardon the pun) time to have actual real sex they'll discover that the vast majority of women are not readily into getting messy facials, crave anal, happy to bring a friend(s), essentially all your male driven porno 'categories'.

    They would be in for a rude awakening if that formulaic porn is considered what they believe sex entails.
    If you've conditioned yourself to get aroused to that formula then there would be performance issues and all the grief, worry and resentment resulting from that.


  • #10
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    donegaLroad wrote: »
    yes, major problems down the road, and are probably already here. Availability of hard core porn online to a potentially very young audience is a recipe for social meltdown; an erosion of moral standards has occurred with the advancement of digital technology.

    And this is not just in relation to porn.

    Torture, beheadings etc. are all available online for any person to watch. Children will become hardened and will eventually lose respect for human life.
    This all sounds very well except when you consider that despite the wider availability of "immoral" materials and snuff videos, respect for human life and social and political morality has never been better.

    Far from desensitising people, what it does is disinhibit them - these topics are no longer taboo. Which means that society as a whole is capable of discussing them openly and maturely and therefore being rational and ethical about them.


  • #11
    biko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,060 ✭✭✭✭biko


    I think the worst aspect of porn is how it forms young minds into thinking this is what boys/girls actually want/expect - facial, anal, no hair, gang, blah blah

    It brutalises something that should be very intimate and this isn't ok.
    However, I don't know how we can stem that tide now. Better sex ed I suppose.


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  • #12
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,782 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    It could and probably does raise expectations of what is expected from someone, and most particularly for what some men expect women to do.
    It is far too freely available given children can and do access it whether intentionally or not.
    I don't think it is good when the brain is still forming physically.


  • #13
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    donegaLroad wrote: »
    yes, major problems down the road, and are probably already here. Availability of hard core porn online to a potentially very young audience is a recipe for social meltdown; an erosion of moral standards has occurred with the advancement of digital technology.

    And this is not just in relation to porn.

    Torture, beheadings etc. are all available online for any person to watch. Children will become hardened and will eventually lose respect for human life.

    Yep. Soon people will think that others - be it because of their race, language or religion - are inferior to them or a danger. They will invade, colonise and lay waste the world, the victors then fighting amongst themselves for dominance. Only after centuries of this turmoil will a gentler society emerge.


  • #14
    gramar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,045 ✭✭✭✭gramar


    biko wrote: »
    I think the worst aspect of porn is how it forms young minds into thinking this is what boys/girls actually want/expect - facial, anal, no hair, gang, blah blah

    It brutalises something that should be very intimate and this isn't ok.
    However, I don't know how we can stem that tide now. Better sex ed I suppose.

    Bald women....ah now...that's just a step too far.


  • #15
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    gramar wrote: »
    Bald women....ah now...that's just a step too far.

    ...never underestimate the joys of the baldy head slap.


  • #16
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    Nodin wrote: »
    ...never underestimate the joys of the baldy head slap.

    Kids these days call it chroming, old man. Get with the times.


  • #17
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,808 ✭✭✭✭smash


    beach_walker wrote: »
    I knew offhand that it was bad but the true extent of the damage that can be done was a real eye-opener.

    Hairy palms? Gone blind?


  • #18
    beach_walker
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    Falthyron wrote: »
    I have fixed your original post. :P Seriously though, exchange porn/alcohol for any other substance/hobby/past-time/thing that draws attention and entertains and the nature of the debate stays the same, its just the character that changes.

    I don't agree to be honest. Alcohol/drugs/etc you're looking for escapism. There's a fundamental difference with regards porn and that's that it can easily satisfy a very basic biological and physiological need. But in a false manner imo. It can then become a replacement for that yearned-for human contact.

    I think loneliness is one of the big problems society has at the moment and one that I don't think is given enough consideration. I deffo reckon porn is not helping here.
    RGDATA! wrote: »
    what did you read and what is the "true extent of the damage which can be done"? Not challenging you, just curious.

    Will do later. Not really willing to try the necessary search terms to get it at work :p
    jester77 wrote: »
    I'm more of a quality over quantity type of guy. I like my craft porn.

    Damn hipsters :D


  • #19
    cowboyBuilder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,419 ✭✭✭cowboyBuilder


    I'd be more worried about my kids seeing violence online ..


  • #20
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Billy86 wrote: »
    Kids these days call it chroming, old man. Get with the times.

    True, I'm old now. Its hard to find a good bald woman with the patience for my rheumatoid wristed slaps.....woe....woe is me......


  • #21
    sbsquarepants
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,810 ✭✭✭✭sbsquarepants


    Watching too much of anything will rot your brain - makes no difference if it's porn, sports or peppa pig.

    It's no better or no worse than any of the mindless shíte people waste crazy proportions of their lives in front of.


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  • #22
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    Nodin wrote: »
    True, I'm old now. Its hard to find a good bald woman with the patience for my rheumatoid wristed slaps.....woe....woe is me......

    It's not the size or strength of the wrist, but how you use it that counts.


  • #23
    silverharp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,853 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    Ive heard there could be a correlation between online porn and decrease in sexual assaults since the mid 90's, if so that would be a plus. as a negative I guess and especially as virtual reality porn takes off in the future, more guys wont be arsed putting in the effort to have real life relationships.

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • #24
    arayess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,707 ✭✭✭arayess


    donegaLroad wrote: »
    yes, major problems down the road, and are probably already here. Availability of hard core porn online to a potentially very young audience is a recipe for social meltdown; an erosion of moral standards has occurred with the advancement of digital technology.

    And this is not just in relation to porn.

    Torture, beheadings etc. are all available online for any person to watch. Children will become hardened and will eventually lose respect for human life.

    is any of that really true though?
    I watch a ton of filth and still treat people with respect. I'm able to forgo forcing my gf (and others) to replicate the shenanigans I watch online.

    during the past without this access to porn , did people really treat people any better?
    With sex scandals, war, child abuse, rape and pillage I doubt it.
    People were always cold , how many fathers disowned their daughter because religion said so??? ....if porn is the new religion instead of that I welcome it.


    your post read well though


  • #25
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    RobertKK wrote: »
    It could and probably does raise expectations of what is expected from someone, and most particularly for what some men expect women to do.
    I find it interesting that this discussion is always framed in terms of the concern about what it will do to young men.

    You always hear, "Young men will be expecting their partners to swallow, or love facials or all sorts of acts".

    You never hear, "Young women will be expecting their partners to love a 12-inch dildo up their holes, or engage in double-teaming with their best mates."

    Because at the root of the fear is the idea that men are raging hormonal perverted sex beasts and women are delicate little flowers who reluctantly yield to the sexual advances of men.

    And based on that sexist anachronism, porn represents fuel on an imagined fire of sexual immorality. Not what it really is; an outlet for young people to explore sexual desire and fantasy.

    Is there a risk that young people will have their expectations of sex tainted by porn? Yes, I agree there is - if parents fail to be parents about it and actually talk about sex.

    If your approach to sex education is to avoid talking about it unless your kids ask you about it, then I can see why you'd be worried about the influence porn might have - because you're refusing to get there first and educate them properly.


  • #26
    Maximus Alexander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,080 ✭✭✭✭Maximus Alexander


    Eeewwww, sex is so icky, right you guys?

    Seriously, I thought we were past this. Why do we still seem to be ruled by this puritan fear of sexual activity? I'd be much more concerned about kids being so easily exposed to the ramblings of violent / sexist / xenophobic / far right / far left lunatics that modern society gives a platform to, at a stage in life when they're still impressionable and easily influenced.


  • #27
    housetypeb
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    Lots of the youngsters these days expect to do it with the lights on and in every position for hours,not like in my day where you fumbled your way to the bed in the dark and got under the covers,where Mary was waiting patiently in the missionary position and hoping you wouldn't take too long.


  • #28
    Colser
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,572 ✭✭✭Colser


    housetypeb wrote: »
    Lots of the youngsters these days expect to do it with the lights on and in every position for hours,not like in my day where you fumbled your way to the bed in the dark and got under the covers,where Mary was waiting patiently in the missionary position and hoping you wouldn't take too long.
    Thats when Irish foreplay = brace yourself Mary.:pac:


  • #29
    beach_walker
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    Maximus Alexander wrote: »
    Eeewwww, sex is so icky, right you guys?

    You're really picking me up wrong. That is not what I'm saying at all.


  • #30
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,782 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    seamus wrote: »
    I find it interesting that this discussion is always framed in terms of the concern about what it will do to young men.

    You always hear, "Young men will be expecting their partners to swallow, or love facials or all sorts of acts".

    You never hear, "Young women will be expecting their partners to love a 12-inch dildo up their holes, or engage in double-teaming with their best mates."

    Because at the root of the fear is the idea that men are raging hormonal perverted sex beasts and women are delicate little flowers who reluctantly yield to the sexual advances of men.

    And based on that sexist anachronism, porn represents fuel on an imagined fire of sexual immorality. Not what it really is; an outlet for young people to explore sexual desire and fantasy.

    Is there a risk that young people will have their expectations of sex tainted by porn? Yes, I agree there is - if parents fail to be parents about it and actually talk about sex.

    If your approach to sex education is to avoid talking about it unless your kids ask you about it, then I can see why you'd be worried about the influence porn might have - because you're refusing to get there first and educate them properly.

    Sex education is essential, I had a maths teacher who also did sex education, she was so easily distracted in class that you could end up with sex education in maths class :pac:


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  • #31
    beach_walker
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    seamus wrote: »
    If your approach to sex education is to avoid talking about it unless your kids ask you about it, then I can see why you'd be worried about the influence porn might have - because you're refusing to get there first and educate them properly.

    That's bollox tbh. Nobodies arguing against proper sex education.

    It's now accepted that brain is "neuroplastic" i.e. malleable, and that the frequent viewing of and craving for, porn is actively affecting people. I will dig out the links later, I can't believe the hand-waving of the issue as me being a fuddy-duddy.


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