Modern society and porn

beach_walker

I did some reading a while ago about how porn can affect and change our brains. I knew offhand that it was bad but the true extent of the damage that can be done was a real eye-opener. I decided then and there to quit, and I haven't so much as launched an Incognito tab in over a month. I do feel much better mentally and (while it could be completely unrelated) I've been doing much better with the fairer sex lately.

Do you watch much of it? Do you think that due to the massive amount of porn being consumed worldwide and at ever younger ages, that society is in for some major problems down the road? Or do you disagree I think whatever your stance the growing availability and normalisation of it is something we need to talk about.


Disclaimer: I put the Modern Society bit at the start so that the P word won't show on the top of your browser tab, I'm looking out for my hommies at work.

donegaLroad

yes, major problems down the road, and are probably already here. Availability of hard core porn online to a potentially very young audience is a recipe for social meltdown; an erosion of moral standards has occurred with the advancement of digital technology.

And this is not just in relation to porn.

Torture, beheadings etc. are all available online for any person to watch. Children will become hardened and will eventually lose respect for human life.

Duggy747

Nothing wrong with a bit of the ol' black amputee sucking toilet seat handjob porn!..........yes, you can Google that one :pac:

I see porn like anything else, in normal balance it's perfectly fine. Being heavy into it to the point that it affects your relationships / social skills / mental state then you obviously need to step away...........just like anything else that might enable that addictive side of you. (Gambling, for example)

I think whatever your stance the growing availability and normalisation of it is something we need to talk about.

It definitely needs to be talked about but sex, masturbation and porn is still something in this day and age that's treated like it should be feared or that it's a sinful act.

That porn would crumble society rather than actually educate people (young and old) about the difference of fantasy and reality. Showing how porn is actually made and what the performers go through in the industry would go a long way in showing people this.

Attempts to ban or censor will do nothing but increase curiosity and just hope to sweep things under the carpet.

We learnt nothing in our school about sex except all the diseases we'd get if we acted on it, zero education on anything else about it. Thinking about sex? Pregnancy! Want to engage in oral? STDs!

Had to learn the rest through Biology class and TV shows / movies / porn

RGDATA!

what did you read and what is the "true extent of the damage which can be done"? Not challenging you, just curious.

Irishcrx

Honestly (Male) and have never been into porn, I'd look at the odd naked picture but in terms of watching videos or porn stars the whole thing never appealed to me, prefer to just have sex..

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

What? I don't see anything wrong with watching porn as long as whoevers in the porn know they're making porn. I feel weird watching amateur stuff because I'm never sure if it's revenge porn or not

Falthyron

beach_walker wrote: »

I did some reading a while ago about how alcohol can affect and change our brains. I knew offhand that it was bad but the true extent of the damage that can be done was a real eye-opener. I decided then and there to quit, and I haven't so much as tasted a drop in over a month. I do feel much better mentally and (while it could be completely unrelated) I've been doing much better with the fairer sex lately.

Do you drink much of it? Do you think that due to the massive amount of alcohol being consumed worldwide and at ever younger ages, that society is in for some major problems down the road? Or do you disagree I think whatever your stance the growing availability and normalisation of it is something we need to talk about.

I have fixed your original post. :P Seriously though, exchange porn/alcohol for any other substance/hobby/past-time/thing that draws attention and entertains and the nature of the debate stays the same, its just the character that changes.

Everything in moderation, including moderation itself.

jester77

It depends on how you consume porn.

If you have stashes of porn hidden in sub folders, you find yourself sneaking away for a quick one, you like to watch alone when no one else is around or you end up binge watching, then maybe you have a problem and should seek some help.

Watching in moderation is ok. I'm more of a quality over quantity type of guy. I like my craft porn.

valoren

It has the potential to warp expectations for today's media savvy youth.

When it comes (pardon the pun) time to have actual real sex they'll discover that the vast majority of women are not readily into getting messy facials, crave anal, happy to bring a friend(s), essentially all your male driven porno 'categories'.

They would be in for a rude awakening if that formulaic porn is considered what they believe sex entails.
If you've conditioned yourself to get aroused to that formula then there would be performance issues and all the grief, worry and resentment resulting from that.

seamus

donegaLroad wrote: »

yes, major problems down the road, and are probably already here. Availability of hard core porn online to a potentially very young audience is a recipe for social meltdown; an erosion of moral standards has occurred with the advancement of digital technology.

And this is not just in relation to porn.

Torture, beheadings etc. are all available online for any person to watch. Children will become hardened and will eventually lose respect for human life.

This all sounds very well except when you consider that despite the wider availability of "immoral" materials and snuff videos, respect for human life and social and political morality has never been better.

Far from desensitising people, what it does is disinhibit them - these topics are no longer taboo. Which means that society as a whole is capable of discussing them openly and maturely and therefore being rational and ethical about them.

biko

I think the worst aspect of porn is how it forms young minds into thinking this is what boys/girls actually want/expect - facial, anal, no hair, gang, blah blah

It brutalises something that should be very intimate and this isn't ok.
However, I don't know how we can stem that tide now. Better sex ed I suppose.

RobertKK

It could and probably does raise expectations of what is expected from someone, and most particularly for what some men expect women to do.
It is far too freely available given children can and do access it whether intentionally or not.
I don't think it is good when the brain is still forming physically.

Nodin

donegaLroad wrote: »

yes, major problems down the road, and are probably already here. Availability of hard core porn online to a potentially very young audience is a recipe for social meltdown; an erosion of moral standards has occurred with the advancement of digital technology.

And this is not just in relation to porn.

Torture, beheadings etc. are all available online for any person to watch. Children will become hardened and will eventually lose respect for human life.

Yep. Soon people will think that others - be it because of their race, language or religion - are inferior to them or a danger. They will invade, colonise and lay waste the world, the victors then fighting amongst themselves for dominance. Only after centuries of this turmoil will a gentler society emerge.

gramar

biko wrote: »

I think the worst aspect of porn is how it forms young minds into thinking this is what boys/girls actually want/expect - facial, anal, no hair, gang, blah blah

It brutalises something that should be very intimate and this isn't ok.
However, I don't know how we can stem that tide now. Better sex ed I suppose.

Bald women....ah now...that's just a step too far.

Nodin

gramar wrote: »

Bald women....ah now...that's just a step too far.

...never underestimate the joys of the baldy head slap.

Billy86

Nodin wrote: »

...never underestimate the joys of the baldy head slap.

Kids these days call it chroming, old man. Get with the times.

smash

beach_walker wrote: »

I knew offhand that it was bad but the true extent of the damage that can be done was a real eye-opener.

Hairy palms? Gone blind?

beach_walker

Falthyron wrote: »

I have fixed your original post. :P Seriously though, exchange porn/alcohol for any other substance/hobby/past-time/thing that draws attention and entertains and the nature of the debate stays the same, its just the character that changes.

I don't agree to be honest. Alcohol/drugs/etc you're looking for escapism. There's a fundamental difference with regards porn and that's that it can easily satisfy a very basic biological and physiological need. But in a false manner imo. It can then become a replacement for that yearned-for human contact.

I think loneliness is one of the big problems society has at the moment and one that I don't think is given enough consideration. I deffo reckon porn is not helping here.

RGDATA! wrote: »

what did you read and what is the "true extent of the damage which can be done"? Not challenging you, just curious.

Will do later. Not really willing to try the necessary search terms to get it at work

jester77 wrote: »

I'm more of a quality over quantity type of guy. I like my craft porn.

Damn hipsters

cowboyBuilder

I'd be more worried about my kids seeing violence online ..

Nodin

Billy86 wrote: »

Kids these days call it chroming, old man. Get with the times.

True, I'm old now. Its hard to find a good bald woman with the patience for my rheumatoid wristed slaps.....woe....woe is me......

sbsquarepants

Watching too much of anything will rot your brain - makes no difference if it's porn, sports or peppa pig.

It's no better or no worse than any of the mindless shíte people waste crazy proportions of their lives in front of.

Billy86

Nodin wrote: »

True, I'm old now. Its hard to find a good bald woman with the patience for my rheumatoid wristed slaps.....woe....woe is me......

It's not the size or strength of the wrist, but how you use it that counts.

silverharp

Ive heard there could be a correlation between online porn and decrease in sexual assaults since the mid 90's, if so that would be a plus. as a negative I guess and especially as virtual reality porn takes off in the future, more guys wont be arsed putting in the effort to have real life relationships.

arayess

donegaLroad wrote: »

yes, major problems down the road, and are probably already here. Availability of hard core porn online to a potentially very young audience is a recipe for social meltdown; an erosion of moral standards has occurred with the advancement of digital technology.

And this is not just in relation to porn.

Torture, beheadings etc. are all available online for any person to watch. Children will become hardened and will eventually lose respect for human life.

is any of that really true though?
I watch a ton of filth and still treat people with respect. I'm able to forgo forcing my gf (and others) to replicate the shenanigans I watch online.

during the past without this access to porn , did people really treat people any better?
With sex scandals, war, child abuse, rape and pillage I doubt it.
People were always cold , how many fathers disowned their daughter because religion said so??? ....if porn is the new religion instead of that I welcome it.


your post read well though

seamus

RobertKK wrote: »

It could and probably does raise expectations of what is expected from someone, and most particularly for what some men expect women to do.

I find it interesting that this discussion is always framed in terms of the concern about what it will do to young men.

You always hear, "Young men will be expecting their partners to swallow, or love facials or all sorts of acts".

You never hear, "Young women will be expecting their partners to love a 12-inch dildo up their holes, or engage in double-teaming with their best mates."

Because at the root of the fear is the idea that men are raging hormonal perverted sex beasts and women are delicate little flowers who reluctantly yield to the sexual advances of men.

And based on that sexist anachronism, porn represents fuel on an imagined fire of sexual immorality. Not what it really is; an outlet for young people to explore sexual desire and fantasy.

Is there a risk that young people will have their expectations of sex tainted by porn? Yes, I agree there is - if parents fail to be parents about it and actually talk about sex.

If your approach to sex education is to avoid talking about it unless your kids ask you about it, then I can see why you'd be worried about the influence porn might have - because you're refusing to get there first and educate them properly.

Maximus Alexander

Eeewwww, sex is so icky, right you guys?

Seriously, I thought we were past this. Why do we still seem to be ruled by this puritan fear of sexual activity? I'd be much more concerned about kids being so easily exposed to the ramblings of violent / sexist / xenophobic / far right / far left lunatics that modern society gives a platform to, at a stage in life when they're still impressionable and easily influenced.

housetypeb

Lots of the youngsters these days expect to do it with the lights on and in every position for hours,not like in my day where you fumbled your way to the bed in the dark and got under the covers,where Mary was waiting patiently in the missionary position and hoping you wouldn't take too long.

Colser

housetypeb wrote: »

Lots of the youngsters these days expect to do it with the lights on and in every position for hours,not like in my day where you fumbled your way to the bed in the dark and got under the covers,where Mary was waiting patiently in the missionary position and hoping you wouldn't take too long.

Thats when Irish foreplay = brace yourself Mary.:pac:

beach_walker

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

Eeewwww, sex is so icky, right you guys?

You're really picking me up wrong. That is not what I'm saying at all.

RobertKK

seamus wrote: »

I find it interesting that this discussion is always framed in terms of the concern about what it will do to young men.

You always hear, "Young men will be expecting their partners to swallow, or love facials or all sorts of acts".

You never hear, "Young women will be expecting their partners to love a 12-inch dildo up their holes, or engage in double-teaming with their best mates."

Because at the root of the fear is the idea that men are raging hormonal perverted sex beasts and women are delicate little flowers who reluctantly yield to the sexual advances of men.

And based on that sexist anachronism, porn represents fuel on an imagined fire of sexual immorality. Not what it really is; an outlet for young people to explore sexual desire and fantasy.

Is there a risk that young people will have their expectations of sex tainted by porn? Yes, I agree there is - if parents fail to be parents about it and actually talk about sex.

If your approach to sex education is to avoid talking about it unless your kids ask you about it, then I can see why you'd be worried about the influence porn might have - because you're refusing to get there first and educate them properly.

Sex education is essential, I had a maths teacher who also did sex education, she was so easily distracted in class that you could end up with sex education in maths class :pac:

beach_walker

seamus wrote: »

If your approach to sex education is to avoid talking about it unless your kids ask you about it, then I can see why you'd be worried about the influence porn might have - because you're refusing to get there first and educate them properly.

That's bollox tbh. Nobodies arguing against proper sex education.

It's now accepted that brain is "neuroplastic" i.e. malleable, and that the frequent viewing of and craving for, porn is actively affecting people. I will dig out the links later, I can't believe the hand-waving of the issue as me being a fuddy-duddy.

donegaLroad

seamus wrote: »

This all sounds very well except when you consider that despite the wider availability of "immoral" materials and snuff videos, respect for human life and social and political morality has never been better.

Far from desensitising people, what it does is disinhibit them - these topics are no longer taboo. Which means that society as a whole is capable of discussing them openly and maturely and therefore being rational and ethical about them.

I can't say I agree with this. There has been a large increase in violent crime, and a large rise in rape.. online dating has been blamed for the rise in rape in some countries.

Online porn is blamed for the rise in child-on-child sexual attacks.

Children are mimicking what they see on x-rated sites. X-rated material is very easily accessible online and children are tech savy, and have curious minds.

If their introduction to sex is through x-rated online streaming video, then surely this is very unhealthy? Children are very impressionable and will see this as being normal behaviour because it is adults who are setting the example.

How will this affect society in 10 - 20 years time?

seamus

donegaLroad wrote: »

I can't say I agree with this. There has been a large increase in violent crime, and a large rise in rape.. online dating has been blamed for the rise in rape in some countries.

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Here's the United States, for example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics#/media/File:Rapes_per_1000_people_1973-2003.jpg

Across the western world, rape and violent crime has been on a decrease for manys a decade now.

Permabear

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MadDog76

jester77 wrote: »

It depends on how you consume porn.

If you have stashes of porn hidden in sub folders, you find yourself sneaking away for a quick one, you like to watch alone when no one else is around or you end up binge watching, then maybe you have a problem and should seek some help.

Watching in moderation is ok. I'm more of a quality over quantity type of guy. I like my craft porn.

I must have a problem so .......... I never considered w@nking a spectator sport!!

OU812

MadDog76 wrote: »

I never considered w@nking a spectator sport!!

Depends on who your partner is & what their tastes are...

Eramen

RGDATA! wrote: »

what did you read and what is the "true extent of the damage which can be done"? Not challenging you, just curious.

Some damage:

Porn and video game addiction leading to 'masculinity crisis', says Stanford psychologist

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/porn-and-video-game-addiction-are-leading-to-masculinity-crisis-says-stanford-prison-experiment-10238211.html

Watching Pornography Damages Mens' Brains

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/10862915/Watching-pornography-damages-mens-brains.html

Porn Causing Erectile Dysfunction in Young Men

http://globalnews.ca/news/1232726/porn-causing-erectile-dysfunction-in-young-men/


Some Reasons why you may want to go pron-free:

Sexual Abstinence and Academic Achievement

http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2005/10/teenage-sexual-abstinence-and-academic-achievement

Semen Acts as an Anti-depressant

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn2457-semen-acts-as-an-anti-depressant/


Really.. there is a rake load of information out there, including legit studies and reports. Google is your friend.

Men who think hardcore porn is beneficial/nothing wrong with it are just **** (literally). At best it's an anti-social behavior, at worst a crushing, depression-ridden, cycle of self-sabotage. Former wanker myself, so no judgements.

seamus

beach_walker wrote: »

That's bollox tbh. Nobodies arguing against proper sex education.

They are though, really. It's like claiming that viewing porn will cause you to be a sexual deviant in the same way that playing Grand Theft Auto will turn you into a serial killer.

In both cases, age-appropriateness and parental oversight are important factors in determining how the child/teenager/young adult deals with and is influenced by the things they see.

If someone at 24 (or even 14) starts retreating into their basement to obsess over porn, the issue is not the availability of porn, but something else entirely.

MadDog76

OU812 wrote: »

Depends on who your partner is & what their tastes are...

Well, I like to quietly go off and be alone when I'm having a sh1t, never even occurred to me to ask my wife if she'd like to observe ........ call me 'ol fashioned!

beach_walker

seamus wrote: »

They are though, really. It's like claiming that viewing porn will cause you to be a sexual deviant...

Well I haven't said anything of the sort, I'm more concerned with the mental health and societal implications of what porn does to re-wire the brain.

MadDog76

If you find enjoying porn is effecting you/your life personally then the problem is you, not porn.

etoughguy

In the name of research I intend to spend the next few days googling porn, ill report back with my findings

seamus

Eramen wrote: »

Porn and video game addiction leading to 'masculinity crisis', says Stanford psychologist

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/porn-and-video-game-addiction-are-leading-to-masculinity-crisis-says-stanford-prison-experiment-10238211.html

No real evidence or data in there. Do some reading on critiques of his book and basically he's decided that trends in male academic performance are indications of a problem, and then pinned the blame on computer games and porn. With no reason for doing so.

Watching Pornography Damages Mens' Brains

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/10862915/Watching-pornography-damages-mens-brains.html

“It's not clear, for example, whether watching porn leads to brain changes or whether people born with certain brain types watch more porn,” said Dr Simone Kühn.

Porn Causing Erectile Dysfunction in Young Men

http://globalnews.ca/news/1232726/porn-causing-erectile-dysfunction-in-young-men/

There's no such thing as "PIED". There's not a single shred of actual evidence in this article.

Sexual Abstinence and Academic Achievement
http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2005/10/teenage-sexual-abstinence-and-academic-achievement

A conservative (read: Christian) think-tank extolling the virtues of sexual abstinence. No thanks.

Semen Acts as an Anti-depressant

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn2457-semen-acts-as-an-anti-depressant/

Did you even read this one?

Really.. there is a rake load of information out there, including legit studies and reports. Google is your friend.

So if there are a rake of them, why haven't you produced any of them?

Totally open to evidence on this one. Just need to see some.

Lights On

Eramen wrote: »

Semen Acts as an Anti-depressant

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn2457-semen-acts-as-an-anti-depressant/

I must show this one to my girlfriend, might actually be able to get her to swallow now!

MadDog76

Eramen wrote: »

By that logic is heroin only a problem for the junkies that use it?

You see at some point these things become a wider social problem that affects everybody and the society at large.

Just as drug-abuse *leads to* strain on the health service, homelessness, unemployment etc.. porn-addiction also has *knock on effects*.

We need wider-range thinking on this issue. You're locking this one in a box and entirely missing the point.

It is possible to use heroin without it effecting your whole life, rare, but possible .......... the same with alcohol, gambling etc.

Why should the rest of society be deprived of something pleasurable (alcohol/porn/drugs/gambling) because weaker individuals can't handle it?

cowboyBuilder

Eramen wrote: »

Some damage:

Porn and video game addiction leading to 'masculinity crisis', says Stanford psychologist

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/porn-and-video-game-addiction-are-leading-to-masculinity-crisis-says-stanford-prison-experiment-10238211.html

Watching Pornography Damages Mens' Brains

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/10862915/Watching-pornography-damages-mens-brains.html

Porn Causing Erectile Dysfunction in Young Men

http://globalnews.ca/news/1232726/porn-causing-erectile-dysfunction-in-young-men/


Some Reasons why you may want to go pron-free:

Sexual Abstinence and Academic Achievement

http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2005/10/teenage-sexual-abstinence-and-academic-achievement

Semen Acts as an Anti-depressant

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn2457-semen-acts-as-an-anti-depressant/


Really.. there is a rake load of information out there, including legit studies and reports. Google is your friend.

Men who think hardcore porn is beneficial/nothing wrong with it are just **** (literally). At best it's an anti-social behavior, at worst a crushing, depression-ridden, cycle of self-sabotage. Former wanker myself, so no judgements.

Nothing wrong with the odd Tom Hank tho ..

Nothing better then occasionally (highlighting it so people don't jump on it saying im substituting it for real sex) - when the wife and kids are in bed, ingognito mode, porn hub, pants around the knees - pullin' the dolenz of myself.

bnt

Talk of "moral standards" is bogus: historically, those who preach morals have been the first to violate those same morals. Remember Jimmy Swaggart, anyone? He got one of his ministry priests "defrocked" for going to a prostitute, so that priest had Swaggart followed ... you probably heard the rest already.
:rolleyes:

I'm not that keen on porn, but I appreciate having the freedom to decide that for myself as an adult, not have some "moral authoority" decide what is good or bad for me.

beach_walker

beach_walker wrote: »

I did some reading a while ago about how porn can affect and change our brains. I knew offhand that it was bad but the true extent of the damage that can be done was a real eye-opener.

I am not sure the damage is as extensive as you suggest. And I am not sure "damage" is even the correct word for it. There are many artificial methods of setting off the reward centres in the brain - or hyper stimulating reward centres (like you do when you consume refined sugars and drink coca cola and so forth) - and they all have effects. But labelling them "damage" is hyperbole a lot of the time.

It is also strange how people scream "It changes the brain" as if that is a bad thing. And a lot of people swallow it thus too. They go "_Changing_ my brain? Ahhhh!!!".

But everything changes your brain. Reading my words right now has changed your brain. The reaction to someone saying "Porn changes your brain" should be "Really - how and where - and to what degree - and how does this change differ or compare in type and quantity to comparable inputs such as - say - computer gaming or watching the latest james bond?"

And I suspect you will find there is a _lot_ less substance in their answer to that than you expect.

beach_walker wrote: »

I think whatever your stance the growing availability and normalisation of it is something we need to talk about.

While interesting to talk about there is no real utility to doing so in terms of having an effect on that change. Because it has happened - it is happening - and there is little anyone can do to change it now. Even if places like the UK do try to implement nationwide bans on internet porn for example - it is likely due to the nature of the internet to simply fail. It will - at most - do little more than remind current generations how Usenet works.

So really the only thing worth talking about is what that change means and - if we identify anything bad in that change - what can be done to mediate those effects.

But I am not seeing anything bad about it. It is just another pursuit some people engage in - and some minority of people get harmfully addicted to. So any conversation about the effect of its availability and normalisation can really only parallel conversations about - say - computer games, gambling, alcohol, drugs - and any other number of things that many engage in - but only a minority actually directly suffer from.

valoren

valoren wrote: »

When it comes (pardon the pun) time to have actual real sex they'll discover that the vast majority of women are not readily into getting messy facials, crave anal, happy to bring a friend(s), essentially all your male driven porno 'categories'.

biko wrote: »

I think the worst aspect of porn is how it forms young minds into thinking this is what boys/girls actually want/expect - facial, anal, no hair, gang, blah blah

RobertKK wrote: »

It could and probably does raise expectations of what is expected from someone, and most particularly for what some men expect women to do.

I here this "expectations" point a lot but I have never seen it lent any substance with any study. How many people do we think actually do watch porn and come away thinking these things?

The joke making the rounds at the moment is that porn does little more than give people unrealistic expectations as to how quickly plumbers respond to call outs.

But seriously - have people grown up watching James bond and come away thinking that what hot women really go for are people who kill or assassinate for a living?

I think people making the "expectations" argument are just under estimating the ability of the masses to differentiate between fantasy and reality.

It is one of those arguments that sounds great on paper. It is so simply and it flows. They see people doing X - they will assume that is how X is done.

But like many arguments that sound really good and straight forward on paper - when you stop to look at the real world to see if it applies - it does not really seem to show up.

Eramen wrote: »

Just as drug-abuse *leads to* strain on the health service, homelessness, unemployment etc.. porn-addiction also has *knock on effects*.

We need wider-range thinking on this issue. You're locking this one in a box and entirely missing the point.

But what _are_ those "knock on effects"? That is one of those cloak and dagger phrases that seems to say everything - but says nothing.

The first step would be to identify _what_ the problems actually are.

The second would be to quantify how wide spread the problems are.

Then and only then can you really worry about tackling or treating those problems.

I do not think anyone is denying that porn _can_ have bad effects on some minority of people. They are just denying that this is in any way exceptional in the wider world of things people _can_ get addicted to or reliant on in ways that are symptomatic of other underlying issues.

Gambling - computer games - alcohol - reality TV - there are loads of things people get addicted to or reliant on or use as a substitute for treatment of unrelated conditions like depressions.

Addiction _is_ a problem. Depression _is_ a problem. Porn in and of itself - is not.

donegaLroad wrote: »

I can't say I agree with this. There has been a large increase in violent crime, and a large rise in rape

You would need to show figures on that one as I have seen figures showing the opposite and few showing what you are claiming.

And the ones that _do_ show what you are claiming are badly presented because they are studies in areas where there has been large population growth. So the study will say something like "There was only 100 rapes per month in 1950 but 120 in 2000!!!" but they fail to note that while this is a 20% increase in rapes - there has been a 100% increase in population. So while the number of rapes has done up - rape has essentially gone _down_.

Statistics are hell sometimes.

Further it has been shown also that where rape rates have gone up it has often not been due to an increase in rape - but an increase in rape support and other initiatives that mean more rapes are _reported_. Not performed. Reported.

I even recall a muslim online from one of the more - intense Islamic countries shall we say - quoting crime statistics at me with low levels of rape. He was doing so to suggest rape happens a lot less in Muslim countries under Islam and because of things like the Burka.

What he did not mention was rapes happen _a lot_ but due to how rape victims are treated - stigmatised - and even killed in honor killings - the women there are not compelled in any way to report the crime.

the_syco

biko wrote: »

Better sex ed I suppose.

There's this. I find those who don't want kids having good sex ed (the church, religious people, etc) are also the same people who don't want porn to exist.

etoughguy

Is it just me or is anyone else in awe of the depth of knowledge some posters have on this topic?