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  • #8132
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    As mentioned above an NFL kicker has very limited time and is under a lot of pressure while making a kick. It wouldn't be a million miles away from the scenario of a drop goal and the success rate of those isn't exactly phenomenal. This idea that ROG, Carter etc could just waltz over there and be good kickers is fantasy stuff. It's an entirely different type of skill.


  • #8133
    b.gud
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,876 ✭✭✭b.gud


    Pink Fairy wrote: »
    On a different note, I remember a kicking competition held in Australia approx 27-30 years ago (with a prize of 10k) where an NFL kicker, a top Aussie rules player, West Hams Ray Stewart and Kerry's Maurice Fitzgerald were all invited to kick.
    The competition was set up in such a way that it was heavily stacked in the Aussie rules players favour, kicking for distance and kicking a ball to land inside a circle half way down the pitch. Anyway, long and short of it was the last 2 kickers in every event were the Aussie and NFL lad as it was supposed to be a straight shootout... But Fitzgerald had an unassailable lead before either got to take their last kicks and he came home with 10k....which he didn't get to keep :(

    Why didn't he get to keep it?


  • #8134
    Pink Fairy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭Pink Fairy


    b.gud wrote: »
    Why didn't he get to keep it?

    Amateur sport, gaa kept the money, but he got a nice holiday out if it


  • #8135
    TICKLE_ME_ELMO
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 23,997 Mod ✭✭✭✭TICKLE_ME_ELMO


    Podge_irl wrote: »
    As mentioned above an NFL kicker has very limited time and is under a lot of pressure while making a kick. It wouldn't be a million miles away from the scenario of a drop goal and the success rate of those isn't exactly phenomenal. This idea that ROG, Carter etc could just waltz over there and be good kickers is fantasy stuff. It's an entirely different type of skill.

    It's only like kicking a drop goal if all your drop goals are from directly in front of the posts, your team mate can hold the ball for you to kick and the rest of your team are allowed physically block the opposing team when they try to charge you down.


  • #8136
    Neil3030
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,154 ✭✭✭✭Neil3030


    Just to put the type of accuracy required for an NFL kicker into perspective, Dan Bailey was the most accurate kicker in the NFL last season, missing 2 kicks all year. He made:

    Field goals:

    20-29 yards: 100% (9/9)
    30-39 yards: 100% (10/10)
    40-49 yards: 86% (6/7)
    50+ yards: 83% (5/6)

    Overall: 94% (30/32)

    Point-after-touchdown (approx 32 yards distance):

    100% (25/25)

    2 kicks missed out of 57, with a second and a bit from the snap to the kick, with the very real threat of being mangled by a 300lb lineman if there's even the slightest delay or mistake....

    An American Football is also far more difficult to kick; it's smaller and pointier.

    Oh and you're pretty much fired instantly once your form dips. Not dropped, fired.

    All in all, it must rank up there with one of the highest pressure sporting jobs there is.


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  • #8137
    TICKLE_ME_ELMO
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 23,997 Mod ✭✭✭✭TICKLE_ME_ELMO


    I wonder what rugby players kicking stats would be like if they were all taken from directly in front of the goal and the majority of them from within 40 yards, which is about 36 metres, if Google is correct.

    I'm not saying the rugby guys could just walk straight into the top teams and be amazing but at the same time I don't see why they couldn't. A few weeks of getting your timing as quick as you can and a few weeks practicing with people running at you and you're away.

    It would be an interesting thing to take someone like Carter and this Bailey guy and have them try kicking the way the other has to. Put Bailey on a rugby pitch and make him kick from a few different angles, have Carter kick from right in front with professional defense running at him. Just for ****s and giggles like.


  • #8138
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »
    I wonder what rugby players kicking stats would be like if they were all taken from directly in front of the goal and the majority of them from within 40 yards, which is about 36 metres, if Google is correct.

    I'm not saying the rugby guys could just walk straight into the top teams and be amazing but at the same time I don't see why they couldn't. A few weeks of getting your timing as quick as you can and a few weeks practicing with people running at you and you're away.

    It would be an interesting thing to take someone like Carter and this Bailey guy and have them try kicking the way the other has to. Put Bailey on a rugby pitch and make him kick from a few different angles, have Carter kick from right in front with professional defense running at him. Just for ****s and giggles like.

    I think you might need to consider you're severely underestimating the task at hand. Think about how many young kickers go through their college system spending years doing nothing but kicking or punting, and then never get near a professional contract. The standard is on a different level, but it's hugely specialised.


  • #8139
    thomond2006
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »
    I wonder what rugby players kicking stats would be like if they were all taken from directly in front of the goal and the majority of them from within 40 yards, which is about 36 metres, if Google is correct.

    I'm not saying the rugby guys could just walk straight into the top teams and be amazing but at the same time I don't see why they couldn't. A few weeks of getting your timing as quick as you can and a few weeks practicing with people running at you and you're away.

    It would be an interesting thing to take someone like Carter and this Bailey guy and have them try kicking the way the other has to. Put Bailey on a rugby pitch and make him kick from a few different angles, have Carter kick from right in front with professional defense running at him. Just for ****s and giggles like.

    I don't see them as too similar. The consequence of a missed kick in NFL is much more serious than in rugby. A missed extra point can lose you the game (a la Patriots @ Broncos) and a missed field goal results in a turnover on the spot of the snap. Rugby players are also in total control of the kick. In NFL the kicker is at the mercy of the long snapper or holder botching the snap.


  • #8140
    TICKLE_ME_ELMO
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 23,997 Mod ✭✭✭✭TICKLE_ME_ELMO


    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    I think you might need to consider you're severely underestimating the task at hand. Think about how many young kickers go through their college system spending years doing nothing but kicking or punting, and then never get near a professional contract. The standard is on a different level, but it's hugely specialised.

    Yeah but think of how many teams there are in the NCAA compared to how many NFL teams there are.

    There's 128 in NCAA Division 1 alone.

    There are 32 in the NFL.

    That alone would account for why you could get very very talented kickers not getting a sniff at the NFL after college.

    As I said, I'm not saying guys like ROG or Carter would just walk onto a team but I'd say with a little bit of practice they'd have a decent chance at it.


  • #8141
    TICKLE_ME_ELMO
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 23,997 Mod ✭✭✭✭TICKLE_ME_ELMO


    thomond2006 wrote: »
    I don't see them as too similar. The consequence of a missed kick in NFL is much more serious than in rugby. A missed extra point can lose you the game (a la Patriots @ Broncos) and a missed field goal results in a turnover on the spot of the snap. Rugby players are also in total control of the kick. In NFL the kicker is at the mercy of the long snapper or holder botching the snap.

    Has a missed kick never cost a rugby team a game? I'm sure it has.

    In terms of it's importance to the overall game I think the kicks are about the same importance.


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  • #8142
    astonaidan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,456 ✭✭✭astonaidan


    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    I think you might need to consider you're severely underestimating the task at hand. Think about how many young kickers go through their college system spending years doing nothing but kicking or punting, and then never get near a professional contract. The standard is on a different level, but it's hugely specialised.

    My friends cousin came over from the states and was in college on a scholarship for kicking and we took him out to the pitch with the rugby ball and his kick was terrible on the rugby ball, but with the american football he was lethal. The run up was short and he kept airing the rugby ball, we kicked for about a hour and he never could kick it over the bar past 25metres but handily enough got the american ball over from 40. I thought it would be similar but as you said these guys are kicking that ball from about 11 its only notably different when you try it


  • #8143
    stephen_n
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,920 ✭✭✭✭stephen_n


    Didn't one of the Welsh fullbacks in the late 80's early 90's end up kicking for one of the NFL teams?


  • #8144
    Bazzo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,047 ✭✭✭Bazzo


    stephen_n wrote: »
    Didn't one of the Welsh fullbacks in the late 80's early 90's end up kicking for one of the NFL teams?

    Terry Price in the 60s/70s?

    There's a list of converts on wikipedia here


  • #8145
    thomond2006
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »
    Has a missed kick never cost a rugby team a game? I'm sure it has.
    Fair point!

    In terms of it's importance to the overall game I think the kicks are about the same importance.

    My point is a missed penalty kick carries a lesser 'punishment' than a missed field goal. In some cases a missed penalty kick is a 'kick to nothing' where the team will recover possession in or around the same spot as the kick from the restart. A turnover from a missed field goal is a lot more serious. A lot of teams on 4th down will decide to punt when they are at the limit of the kicker's range.

    .


  • #8146
    Pink Fairy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭Pink Fairy


    Got €300 back through the travel agents for our Disneyland Paris mishap last November....it goes towards my next trip there :rolleyes:


  • #8147
    mfceiling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,002 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling


    Pink Fairy wrote: »
    Got €300 back through the travel agents for our Disneyland Paris mishap last November....it goes towards my next trip there :rolleyes:

    Going in a fortnight. I presume it's like the best holiday an adult could ever wish for...


  • #8148
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    Pink Fairy wrote: »
    Got €300 back through the travel agents for our Disneyland Paris mishap last November....it goes towards my next trip there :rolleyes:

    Seems a little on the small side but at the least I hope the next one is a little less dramatic for you and the kids that I'd hope you're accompanying.


  • #8149
    Pink Fairy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭Pink Fairy


    mfceiling wrote: »
    Going in a fortnight. I presume it's like the best holiday an adult could ever wish for...

    I had 2 broken ribs from 3 days before and I was 1km from the action in the 13th....so in a word, yes!
    Are you staying on-site or commuting each day?


  • #8150
    mfceiling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,002 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling


    Pink Fairy wrote: »
    I had 2 broken ribs from 3 days before and I was 1km from the action in the 13th....so in a word, yes!
    Are you staying on-site or commuting each day?

    One train stop away at the Marriott. They have their own shuttle bus that goes every 30 mins. 2 days in Paris also...not sure of the area...5th?


  • #8151
    Pink Fairy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭Pink Fairy


    mfceiling wrote: »
    One train stop away at the Marriott. They have their own shuttle bus that goes every 30 mins. 2 days in Paris also...not sure of the area...5th?

    Not surprisingly I stayed away from the city after that.
    All i will say is bring supplies. Water and food stuffs. No real shops on site, and bottles of 500ml water are about €4..
    If you queue for a ride, prepare to be there for an hour. Look for fastpass rides... There is a sign up telling you to queue for a ticket and the time you can then use it. So if you have a fastpass ticket you bypass 95% of the queue, 10 mins normally, not all rides offer fastpass. ..
    Do the parade of princesses on the first night, it's wonderful and gets it out of the way, yiud need 4 days in the park to do everything, so pick and chose what you need to do between the 2 parks


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  • #8152
    thomond2006
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    Pink Fairy wrote: »
    Not surprisingly I stayed away from the city after that.
    All i will say is bring supplies. Water and food stuffs. No real shops on site, and bottles of 500ml water are about €4..
    If you queue for a ride, prepare to be there for an hour. Look for fastpass rides... There is a sign up telling you to queue for a ticket and the time you can then use it. So if you have a fastpass ticket you bypass 95% of the queue, 10 mins normally, not all rides offer fastpass. ..
    Do the parade of princesses on the first night, it's wonderful and gets it out of the way, yiud need 4 days in the park to do everything, so pick and chose what you need to do between the 2 parks

    There were free taps everywhere when I was there about a decade ago?


  • #8153
    Pink Fairy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭Pink Fairy


    thomond2006 wrote: »
    There were free taps everywhere when I was there about a decade ago?

    Very few around and to be truthful.... All those thousands of people drinking from them? I'd rather take my chances with the terrorists!


  • #8154
    mfceiling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,002 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling


    Yeah there will be a fair bit of tinfoil brought to disneyland - ham sandwiches all the way!!
    Not that fussed on the rides - take them or leave them. Killer for me is I don't queue - i am ridiculously bad for that - i've walked out of shops before because the queue at the till was too much.

    Young ones wanted to have breakfast with Mickey Mouse - except the cost is mental so that'll not be happening. I'm sure it will be the best holiday ever though :rolleyes:.


  • #8155
    Pink Fairy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭Pink Fairy


    mfceiling wrote: »
    Yeah there will be a fair bit of tinfoil brought to disneyland - ham sandwiches all the way!!
    Not that fussed on the rides - take them or leave them. Killer for me is I don't queue - i am ridiculously bad for that - i've walked out of shops before because the queue at the till was too much.

    Young ones wanted to have breakfast with Mickey Mouse - except the cost is mental so that'll not be happening. I'm sure it will be the best holiday ever though :rolleyes:.

    Go to Cafe Mickey in the village for a meal...Mickey, Minnie etc are all there, try not to eat too much or it'll cost a fortune. Starter, main and dessert cost me approx 140 for 3 people


  • #8156
    mfceiling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,002 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling


    Pink Fairy wrote: »
    Go to Cafe Mickey in the village for a meal...Mickey, Minnie etc are all there, try not to eat too much or it'll cost a fortune. Starter, main and dessert cost me approx 140 for 3 people

    There's 5 of us...

    *does maths*

    We'll look in the window!!


  • #8157
    Pink Fairy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭Pink Fairy


    mfceiling wrote: »
    There's 5 of us...

    *does maths*

    We'll look in the window!!

    Ah is worth it, your hotel can book a meal for you, maybe cheaper to do the breakfast or lunch menu....even better if it's someones bday, they'll make a fuss over you ;)


  • #8158
    TICKLE_ME_ELMO
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 23,997 Mod ✭✭✭✭TICKLE_ME_ELMO


    This last series of posts sounds like a f**king nightmare!


  • #8159
    Pink Fairy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭Pink Fairy


    TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »
    This last series of posts sounds like a f**king nightmare!

    It is to be fair,


  • #8160
    mfceiling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,002 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling


    No don't throw out your televisions...that was me on rte for the patricks day festival... (well more like my little ones being interviewed by sinead kennedy).

    I was however on screen for approx 5 seconds. Probably end up with my own chat show by the end of the week.


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  • #8161
    Pink Fairy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭Pink Fairy


    mfceiling wrote: »
    No don't throw out your televisions...that was me on rte for the patricks day festival... (well more like my little ones being interviewed by sinead kennedy).

    I was however on screen for approx 5 seconds. Probably end up with my own chat show by the end of the week.

    We need evidence !!!!


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