Teenagers and driving...

Andy From Sligo · 19-03-2016 05:20PM

ProudDUB wrote:

Said, that as embarrassing & uncomfortable as this was for both of us, imagine how she'd feel if her young pup killed someone with his dangerous driving. She was genuinely upset and I felt bad about that. But am still glad I did it, if it makes her son think twice about his driving.

Of course it could have gone the other way and you got a threatening mouthful of torrential language and threats from both the mother and the son which happens these days when you try to approach something head on like that. You were lucky maybe.

Charles Babbage · 19-03-2016 05:20PM

One modern solution might be a GPS enabled device compulsory for inexperienced drivers or anyone with any sort of conviction, this would record speeds at all times and locations and if there is a pattern of acting the maggot then licence into bin.

freshpopcorn · 19-03-2016 05:21PM

lawlolawl wrote: »

Any time i've encountered someone deliberately acting the bollix on the road it has been a young lad/wan.

Gardai should be able to seize their cars and their license should be suspended for 2 years with a full retest required if they are caught acting the fool. Make it apply to anyone under 25. if a cop so much as sees you do a burnout pulling away from where you are parked then your have you car and licence taken. Also, ban modified cars from use on public because no one needs them to drive on public roads.

Young people nowadays are so indulged that it is shameful.They are doing things that could cause serious injury or even death to other innocent people and the attitude seems to be :"Ah shure, they are only young".

The road fatalities figure is so high because we have such a lax attitude to people being utter idiots on the road.

You should look at fatalities on Irish roads back in the seventies.

Andy From Sligo · 19-03-2016 05:22PM

Charles Babbage wrote:

One modern solution might be a GPS enabled device compulsory for inexperienced drivers or anyone with any sort of conviction, this would record speeds at all times and locations and if there is a pattern of acting the maggot then licence into bin.

Good idea, and a simple one as well. Can't see why it hasn't already been implemented. The only wans crying 'big brother society" will be the ones with something to hide!

lawlolawl · 19-03-2016 05:24PM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I went to school/college with a few boy racers. This would have being at a time when road safety would have being promoted a lot. We had a crashed car brought into us, traffic corps and so on.
Did any of it make any bit of a difference not really. When people started driving did they speed and do dangerous things of course they did for the laugh and kick out if it.

Indeed. They would more than likely be nudging their buddy beside them and saying "that'd be you on a Saturday night after trying to race against Tommy in his Lancer" before they all had a good laugh about it.

The shock value thing is completely lost on this age group. It'll never happen to them as far as they are concerned. I know this is how they think because it is how all my friends and i thought at their age.

freshpopcorn · 19-03-2016 05:24PM

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

Of course it could have gone the other way and you got a threatening mouthful of torrential language and threats from both the mother and the son which happens these days when you try to approach something head on like that. You were lucky maybe.

The woman had to be nice she worked in the shop. Chances are she they both could have laughed there heads off the minute ProudDub back was turned.

Andy From Sligo · 19-03-2016 05:27PM

freshpopcorn wrote:

You should look at fatalities on Irish roads back in the seventies.

Be lovely to get to the stage of even one fatality on the roads due to dangerous driving is one death too much! Shouldnt have to compare today's figures with years ago, just simply means less people are getting caught and done these days, not that people have changed their attitudes to driving and are better drivers. Cutbacks and unreported traffic incident can massage to figures too

Sheep Lover · 19-03-2016 05:28PM

I wonder how many road deaths can be attributed to poor road conditions rather than driver error. Interestingly enough, the RSA doesn't promote the notion that poor road surface in favour of the shock value of "speed kills".

Aongus Von Heisenberg · 19-03-2016 05:34PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Accident implies there is no one to blame or at fault.

Only to those with a poor understanding of the English language.

Rather it implies that the collision was not a deliberately intended result of someone's actions. Accidents can and do arise as an unintended consequence of people's mistakes and carelessness.

Andy From Sligo · 19-03-2016 05:35PM

Just putting it out there , when these young wans spend hundreds and thousands souping up their motors with all these add ons, does it make them want to drive any more careful that they don't wanna smash up their pride and joy?

KERSPLAT! · 19-03-2016 05:35PM

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

Be lovely to get to the stage of even one fatality on the roads due to dangerous driving is one death too much! Shouldnt have to compare today's figures with years ago, just simply means less people are getting caught and done these days, not that people have changed their attitudes to driving and are better drivers. Cutbacks and unreported traffic incident can massage to figures too

How do people get less "caught and done" with regards to fatalities on the road!? There is no getting away with it.

Andy From Sligo · 19-03-2016 05:37PM

True that lol , I was thinking more of the ones that smash into wall or lampposts and don't die. They don't get reported or statistic'ed

tomwaterford · 19-03-2016 05:39PM

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

Just putting it out there , when these young wans spend hundreds and thousands souping up their motors with all these add one, does it make them want to drive any more careful that they don't wanna smash up their pride and joy?

A nice set alloys and radio etc is a great addition to any car and if it encourages people to look after there cars properly....what harm like??

Though for many...they are getting pure fleeced imo

ProudDUB · 19-03-2016 05:41PM

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

Of course it could have gone the other way and you got a threatening mouthful of torrential language and threats from both the mother and the son which happens these days when you try to approach something head on like that. You were lucky maybe.

Her boss (the customer service supervisor) was standing about three feet away from us. I didn't speak loud enough for him to hear us. But he certainly would have, if she attempted to give me an earful. I doubt if he would be a bit impressed at her (a) giving a customer verbal abuse or (b) her lift home nearly killing a customer in their car park.

All this all took place in a safe, controlled environment, (for me,) as we were in her workplace. I probably would have thought twice alright, about approaching some random person on the street.

Andy From Sligo · 19-03-2016 05:45PM

I've said it before and I will say it again, the roads were much safer when cars done a maximum of 5miles per hour and had a chap in front waving a flag! :-D

FirefighterT7 · 19-03-2016 05:46PM

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

darkpagandeath wrote:

Accident implies there is no one to blame or at fault.

Nearly all news in the media describes these as accidents or fatalities, makes it pretty hard to get statistics I should imagine as to what the real cause of the road traffic incident really was. I bet most of the time the garda and the other emergency people know when they turn up what is an accident and what is not. However the general public won't get to hear it because its all lumped into the same pot of 'tragic accident'

The term Road traffic accident is not used in emergency services anymore it's known as Road Traffic Collision, because it's hard to determine an accident and a lot are driver error, ie: avoidable unfortunately..

Sheep Lover · 19-03-2016 05:46PM

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

I've said it before and I will say it again, the roads were much safer when cars done a maximum of 5miles per hour and had a chap in front waving a flag! :-D

You're saying alot Andy and not much of it is making sense if I'm honest.

Charles Babbage · 19-03-2016 05:57PM

Sheep Lover wrote: »

I wonder how many road deaths can be attributed to poor road conditions rather than driver error. Interestingly enough, the RSA doesn't promote the notion that poor road surface in favour of the shock value of "speed kills".

A misleading road surface might contribute to safety, a generally poor one does not as the driver should drive accordingly.

Sheep Lover · 19-03-2016 06:02PM

Charles Babbage wrote: »

A misleading road surface might contribute to safety, a generally poor one does not as the driver should drive accordingly.

Doubtful really. Poor construction of roads including having lethal "blind bends" in place add an additional and unnecessary hazardous safety issue on that road. Also, roads being repaired with handful loose chippings and a splash of hot tar is not appropriate for a modern roadway system.

FunLover18 · 19-03-2016 06:11PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Accident implies there is no one to blame or at fault.

No, the term 'accident' meas that it was done unintentionally. If I knocked over someone's drink in a bar, I didn't do it on purpose but it's still my fault because I should've been watching where I was going.

I'm not saying there's someone to blame in all accidents but the word has no bearing on blame or lack there of.

freshpopcorn · 19-03-2016 06:20PM

In this article about seat belt usage and road deaths in the first seven months of 2015.
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/over-a-third-of-drivers-killed-weren-t-wearing-seat-belts-1.2317174
It says nearly a third of drivers and 25% of passengers killed in accidents weren't wearing seat belts.
If people actually wore there seat belts I think we would see even a further reduction in our road deaths.
It's one of the easiest things people can do when they get in a car and the importance of them has being portrayed in every way but clearly people aren't getting the message.

Charles Babbage · 19-03-2016 06:21PM

Sheep Lover wrote: »

Doubtful really. Poor construction of roads including having lethal "blind bends" in place add an additional and unnecessary hazardous safety issue on that road. .

A "blind" bend means you cannot see around it, so you go more slowly. Mainly a driver issue.

Andy From Sligo · 19-03-2016 06:31PM

freshpopcorn wrote:

It says nearly a third of drivers and 25% of passengers killed in accidents weren't wearing seat belts. If people actually wore there seat belts I think we would see even a further reduction in our road deaths. It's one of the easiest things people can do when they get in a car and the importance of them has being portrayed in every way but clearly people aren't getting the message.

God It would feel so weird not to wear a seatbelt!

pablo128 · 19-03-2016 06:48PM

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

I've said it before and I will say it again, the roads were much safer when cars done a maximum of 5miles per hour and had a chap in front waving a flag! :-D

Here's a video of the Nurburgring track in Germany from the 70s. You can pay to drive your own road car on this track, and it's popular to this day. Note the absolutely atrocious handling on many of the 'bread and butter' cars of the day.
Any modern supermini would outhandle them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xwc54G2Ur8

Rough Sleeper · 19-03-2016 06:59PM

Menas wrote: »

Show a few photos of the aftermath of these crashes in schools. May just give them cause to think a little about the consequences of their lunacy...

Yeah, and if we show them pictures of dead heroin addicts, they'll never take so much as a toke off a joint, right?

This sort of ham-fisted nonsense does not work on people with an even number of chromosomes.

Menas · 19-03-2016 07:09PM

Rough Sleeper wrote: »

Yeah, and if we show them pictures of dead heroin addicts, they'll never take so much as a toke off a joint, right?

This sort of ham-fisted nonsense does not work on people with an even number of chromosomes.

So what would you do? Nothing?

freshpopcorn · 19-03-2016 07:12PM

Menas wrote: »

So what would you do? Nothing?

Well not nothing. Even the rsa started to move away from road safety adverts that featured fatal crashes, with crashes happening and people dying/being injured. because they weren't having much of an effect.

blueser · 19-03-2016 07:21PM

Sheep Lover wrote: »

I wonder how many road deaths can be attributed to poor road conditions rather than driver error. Interestingly enough, the RSA doesn't promote the notion that poor road surface in favour of the shock value of "speed kills".

Isn't it the responsibility of the driver to drive responsibly, given the prevailing conditions (lighting, weather, road surface) at the time? Using potholed roads as an excuse is pretty lame, in my opinion. We all know the abysmal state of some of the roads around the country. Billiard tables, they are not. If the road surface is bad, slow down. It's not a difficult concept to understand.

darkpagandeath · 19-03-2016 07:31PM

Aongus Von Heisenberg wrote: »

Only to those with a poor understanding of the English language.

Rather it implies that the collision was not a deliberately intended result of someone's actions. Accidents can and do arise as an unintended consequence of people's mistakes and carelessness.

Well not suffering from Poor understanding of English "Accident" is not really used any more by Garda or Police. It is more common now to say Traffic collisions. As there is Generally always someone at fault. Either through careless or reckless behaviour speed a number of factors. As I said Accident Implies no one is to blame.

callaway92 · 19-03-2016 07:34PM

I've definitely toned down my driving style from the time I was a teenager. It's just a natural evolution. I've become far more hesitant in overtaking than I used to be for sure.

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