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US Student sentenced to 15 years hard labour in North Korea

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  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47,418 ✭✭✭✭Zaph


    eviltwin wrote: »
    I've just been having a read of what hard labour in north Korea actually consists of. It's like hell on earth. Poor guy, he did something stupid but he doesn't deserve this.

    Nobody does, but when the US State Department is advising its citizens not to travel to North Korea, if you are one and you do you shouldn't be doing anything that would give the authorities an excuse to lock you up. Of course it's entirely plausible that he was framed, but if he wasn't and actually stole the flag you'd have to say he's not the sharpest tool in the box.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,043 ✭✭✭Berserker


    Zaph wrote: »
    Of course it's entirely plausible that he was framed, but if he wasn't and actually stole the flag you'd have to say he's not the sharpest tool in the box.

    The latter is the case here. The article in the link below states that he was planning on stealing the artefact for someone back home and he was going to get a car in return as a gift. Here is a link to the story and the quote below summarises the deal he had.
    In his comments, Warmbier said he was offered a used car worth $10,000 by a member of the church. He said the church member told him the slogan would be hung on its wall as a trophy. He also said he was told that if he was detained and not returned, $200,000 would be paid to his mother in a way of charitable donations.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,043 ✭✭✭Berserker


    Mr.S wrote: »
    lol what an idiot. 0 sympathy. Stealing from North Korea, no matter how dim you are, you just know that's not a good idea.

    And probably the worst time to be used as pawn (which he will be) by North Korea.

    I'm guessing he'll do a few years and then be released.

    NK will get a high profile visit from the US in return for his release, I suspect.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,611 ✭✭✭Valetta


    Lots of victim blaming on here.

    Don't see anyone blaming the owner of the flag.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    I'm sure Amnesty will be on soon demanding his release, And if he had a good American name he would be Getting preferential treatment and released or something.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,368 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    And if he had a good American name he would be Getting preferential treatment and released or something.

    Name is nothing to do with it, he is a US citizen and is now a highly publicized bargaining chip for North Korea. They will send him to a labour camp but likely keep him in "good condition" and then exchange him later for behind the scenes concessions


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,638 ✭✭✭Teyla Emmagan


    Poor bollox. That's a hard price to pay for stupidity, he must be terrified.

    I think I'd rather a death sentance than 15 years of hard labour in North Korea.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,227 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Now girls, don't be wearing short skirts when you go out, you don't want any unwanted attention... :rolleyes:

    Did he wear a "I steal posters " t-shirt and they they decided to plant a stolen poster on him? How is him getting caught stealing anything like what you're implying?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    Name is nothing to do with it, he is a US citizen and is now a highly publicized bargaining chip for North Korea. They will send him to a labour camp but likely keep him in "good condition" and then exchange him later for behind the scenes concessions

    Think about what I said for a second :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 600 ✭✭✭Ice Maiden


    Now girls, don't be wearing short skirts when you go out, you don't want any unwanted attention... :rolleyes:
    Strange assessment. You're comparing removal of a state poster in a country where even a hint of disrespect to the state is treated by authorities as an extremely serious crime (no matter how disagreeable this is, that's how it is; this is regularly made known in the west) to someone doing something that should have no consequences.

    How come you're not expressing similar about all the other poor divils from NK itself who've been incarcerated?
    I find it a bit arrogant of westerners to be visiting NK, with all their comforts and freedoms, just to go have an auld look at a place where the horror is off the scale... for a bit of entertainment. It's also frustratingly naive. You could be arrested for God knows what innocuous utterance or behaviour if it's seen as disrespectful to the state, especially if you're American.

    Not that I think the guy deserves it - or that anyone imprisoned there deserves their fate. The poor fecker - monumentally stupid but I feel so sorry for the eejit. Why would people say they have no sympathy for him? How could you not have sympathy for the guy? You can still reel at his stupidity yet simultaneously sympathise with him for what he may be put through.
    Have a read-up on what people get imprisoned for there. Sometimes it's merely because of who they are related to. So yeah, taking a state poster would be extremely serious, particularly if you're from a country that's an enemy of the state.


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  • Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 976 ✭✭✭beach_walker


    Harsh. I really thought less of him for crying and blubbering about it though in his plea for mercy. I mean c'mon lad, odds are you'll be traded for some US aid within the year.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,566 ✭✭✭ZeitgeistGlee


    Stupid, stupid young fella. I feel sorry for him but the absolutely breathtaking lack of cop-on demonstrated even for a 21 year old is appalling. I have to believe that any American or even Westerner in general are warned against travelling to North Korea and if they do travel to make absolutely sure they do absolutely nothing that could get them in legal trouble. To think that a country like NK where subservience and obsequiousness to the State wouldn't severely punish an American who committed a crime against the State is ludicrous.

    I imagine NK will play this for all its worth in order to get concessions from the US diplomatically during their current spat. I hope to God one of the idiot POTUS candidates doesn't try to make this a hot-button issue rather than letting the State Department quietly handle it.
    Now girls, don't be wearing short skirts when you go out, you don't want any unwanted attention... :rolleyes:

    Because a moronic false equivalence like that is totally not disingenuous or irrelevant. :rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,934 ✭✭✭MarkAnthony


    Frank Underwood would have this sorted...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 600 ✭✭✭Ice Maiden


    Why are people saying he will be released shortly? Might be - don't know about the "will be".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Mr.S wrote: »
    Dennis Rodman? :D

    (side note: who is the black guy at 30 seconds (it's not Mr Rodman), looks really out of place - https://youtu.be/qYUMImDfhoo?t=30s)

    Guy in the green top? Looks Asian to me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,002 ✭✭✭handlemaster


    If he was Irish they would be having a whip around down the local pub now for his family to visit... as he had no insurance ..


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 27,498 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    I'm sure Donald must have an opinion on this...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    Indeed, scary stuff

    From wiki

    Former guard An Myong-chol describes the conditions in the camp as harsh and life-threatening.[23] He recalls the shock he felt upon his first arrival at the camp, where he likened the prisoners to walking skeletons, dwarfs, and cripples in rags.[12][24] An estimates that about 30% of the prisoners have deformities, such as torn off ears, smashed eyes, crooked noses, and faces covered with cuts and scars resulting from beatings and other mistreatment. Around 2,000 prisoners, he says, have missing limbs, but even prisoners who need crutches to walk must still work.[25] Prisoners get 180 g (6.3 oz) of corn per meal (two times a day), with almost no vegetables and no meat.[26] The only meat in their diets is from rats, snakes or frogs that they catch.[12][27] Ahn estimates that 1,500–2,000 people die of malnutrition there every year, mostly children.[14] Despite these deaths, the inmate population remains constant, suggesting that around 1,500–2,000 new inmates arrive each year.[28] Children get only very basic education.[29] From six years on they get work assigned, such as picking vegetables, peeling corn or drying rice, but they receive very little food, only 180 g (6.3 oz) in total per day. Therefore, many children die before the age of ten years.[30] Elderly prisoners have the same work requirements as other adults.[31] Seriously ill prisoners are quarantined, abandoned, and left to die.[32]

    Single prisoners live in bunkhouses with 100 people in one room. As a reward for good work, families are often allowed to live together in a single room of a small house without running water.[33] But the houses are in poor condition; the walls are made from mud and have a lot of cracks.[34] All prisoners have to use dirty and crowded communal toilets.[35]

    Prisoners have to do hard physical labour in agriculture, mining and factories from 5:00 am to 8:00 pm (7:00 pm in winter),[13] followed by ideological re-education and self-criticism sessions.[36] New Year’s Day is the only holiday for prisoners.[37] The mines are not equipped with safety measures and, according to Ahn, prisoners were killed almost every day. They have to use primitive tools, such as shovels and picks, and are forced to work to exhaustion.[19] When there was a fire or a tunnel collapsed, prisoners were abandoned inside and left to die.[38] Kwon Hyuk reported that corpses are simply loaded into cargo coaches together with the coal to be burnt in a melting furnace.[18] The coal is supplied to Chongjin Power Plant, Chongjin Steel Mill and Kimchaek Steel Mill,[39] while the food is supplied to the State Security Agency or sold in Pyongyang and other parts of the country.[19]

    We should bomb that country into the stone age.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 600 ✭✭✭Ice Maiden


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    We should bomb that country into the stone age.
    Who's "We"? All the innocent people who are not part of the regime should also be bombed? :confused:

    Anyway, surely you know about its nuclear weapons?


  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I would ****ing love to go to NK, especially after watching several documentaries about the place, as nuts as it sounds I'd love to see it...

    I wouldn't be thick enough to bring home a memento of my time there though....

    This is a mental documentary about NK :



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    Ice Maiden wrote: »
    Who's "We"? All the innocent people who are not part of the regime should also be bombed? :confused:

    Anyway, surely you know about its nuclear weapons?
    We are the West. Are they innocent people if they support the regime?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 146 ✭✭Juza1973


    pretty sure they beat whatever confession they wanted out of him

    Yes, we are taking the authorises claims at face value. Wise move if you live in Nk, but we have the luxury or being skeptic.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    Can I ask, Why do we excuse adults doing stupid stuff in countries Like NK. They should know better.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 600 ✭✭✭Ice Maiden


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    We are the West. Are they innocent people if they support the regime?
    Misuse of "we" is stupid. They have no choice but to support the regime ffs. What about people in camps? Oh hang on, are you just pretending to be stupid again?
    Can I ask, Why do we excuse adults doing stupid stuff in countries they should know better.
    Not sure which "we" you are referring to? Cannot see much excusing of the lad here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    Can I ask, Why do we excuse adults doing stupid stuff in countries Like NK. They should know better.

    Because 1. There shouldn't be propaganda posters in North Korean hotels. 2. His arrest was politically motivated 3. We don't even know if he did steal the poster, only that he "confessed" he did. And 4. His punishment was far above his crime.

    Any more questions?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    Ice Maiden wrote: »
    Misuse of "we" is stupid. They have no choice but to support the regime ffs. What about people in camps? Oh hang on, are you just pretending to be stupid again?

    Not sure which "we" you are referring to? Cannot see much excusing of the lad here.

    Using the term "We" for modern society/Social media. Like that Fella in Egypt and those in Peru for example.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,499 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    Can I ask, Why do we excuse adults doing stupid stuff in countries Like NK. They should know better.

    He's a 21 year old college student though, some students do stupid things. He might have had a few jars on him also, on any of the NK tourist documentaries I've watched it seems to be the practice to have a party with your minders on the last night of the tour.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    Because 1. There shouldn't be propaganda posters in North Korean hotels. 2. His arrest was politically motivated 3. We don't even know if he did steal the poster, only that he "confessed" he did. And 4. His punishment was far above his crime.

    Any more questions?

    1 why ?
    2 How do you know ?
    3 Again how do you know ?
    4 Says who ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,292 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    We are the West. Are they innocent people if they support the regime?

    We're the people killed in France last year by IS innocent? Or did they deserve to die because they "support the regime"?

    How about the thousands of Palestine people killed by indiscriminate bombing by Israel?

    Calling for a whole country to be bombed (men women and children) is stupidity beyond belief.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,227 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    We should bomb that country into the stone age.

    Can you bomb a country forward in time?


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