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Dairy Chit Chat- Please read Mod note in post #1

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  • #4442
    visatorro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,850 ✭✭✭visatorro


    When would you roll paddocks/gaps that were poached.? Just incase some clown let them out when it was a little softer than he thought. Or is rolling too hard on paddocks


  • #4443
    Brown Podzol
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,847 ✭✭✭Brown Podzol


    Buford T. Justice V wrote: »
    This is all I know about it so far, Dawg...

    http://www.farmersjournal.ie/glanbia-launches-100m-milkflex-loans-scheme-202809/

    A little more detail here.

    http://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/glanbia-launch-new-cheap-loan-fund-heres-how-it-works/

    The monthly euribor is set at zero, but is currently at -0.3. I always look for the sneaky bits. :)


  • #4444
    orm0nd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,325 ✭✭✭orm0nd


    visatorro wrote: »
    When would you roll paddocks/gaps that were poached.? Just incase some clown let them out when it was a little softer than he thought. Or is rolling too hard on paddocks


    with the exception of reseeding I hav'nt used a roller in 30 years,

    grass/chain harrow is the only job


  • #4445
    jack o shea
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 607 ✭✭✭jack o shea


    For the lads who vaccinate irb do ye do all animals on the farm or just the cows?


  • #4446
    visatorro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,850 ✭✭✭visatorro


    orm0nd wrote: »
    with the exception of reseeding I hav'nt used a roller in 30 years,

    grass/chain harrow is the only job

    It's not completely ploughed, just enough divets to hold water around the gap iykwim. Dont have Harrow, only roller.


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  • #4447
    C0N0R
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭C0N0R


    Buford T. Justice V wrote: »
    I've had my run ins with Frazzled but he was an excellent contributor here and will be missed.

    Hopefully he will be back soon.

    I suppose were not meant to talk about what I've missed.....?


  • #4448
    jaymla627
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,128 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    whelan2 wrote: »
    You must have your msa signed to get the loan. I have spoken to a few who will be leaving Glanbia when the current msa runs out so loan is of no use to them. Think its another tool to try and keep farmers with glanbia.

    Even worse again listened to a piece on farmers journal website and Sean molly was speaking your locked into your msa for duration of loan period, it's amazing what looked on the face of it as a good scheme has lots of niggly bits added in.....


  • #4449
    Buford T. Justice XIX
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,633 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    C0N0R wrote: »
    I suppose were not meant to talk about what I've missed.....?

    I missed it too but lots of things in the real world can pop out on line and become exaggerated.

    He was a mine of information about grazing and had a different take on things happening in Ag. Which isn't always appreciated, tbh.


  • #4450
    RightTurnClyde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,143 ✭✭✭RightTurnClyde


    jaymla627 wrote: »
    Even worse again listened to a piece on farmers journal website and Sean molly was speaking your locked into your msa for duration of loan period, it's amazing what looked on the face of it as a good scheme has lots of niggly bits added in.....

    I certainly wouldn't be a fan of Glanbia and I'm not defending their "schemes", but you can't expect them to give out loans without security


  • #4451
    mahoney_j
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,717 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    RightTurnClyde wrote: »
    There used to be a lad around these parts that would have had all the ins and outs, but he's gone and fcuked off. Never around when you need him. And when you didn't want him sure as hell ...

    Aghhh fook it what did I miss


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  • #4452
    jaymla627
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,128 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    RightTurnClyde wrote: »
    I certainly wouldn't be a fan of Glanbia and I'm not defending their "schemes", but you can't expect them to give out loans without security

    Their not giving out the loan by all accounts just facilitating it and getting paid a arrangement fee aswell for their troubles.
    I'm sure when the finer details come out it, their will have to be some form of security, even a scenario say where a farmer where to pass away during the term of the loan and dairying ceases on the farm what happens in this case, lots of other variables too with only a 2 year grace period where repayments are reduced/stalled, if a prolonged period of low prices happen what's the story then.....
    The devil will be in the detail but a cynical person from the outside looking in would say glanbia have created a brilliant way to get suppliers to up production in a depressed market while locking them into 10 year contracts in the process they can't break


  • #4453
    RightTurnClyde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,143 ✭✭✭RightTurnClyde


    mahoney_j wrote: »
    Aghhh fook it what did I miss

    Here's how it all unfolded.
    Be sitting down and have a loved one beside you....
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057570038


  • #4454
    mahoney_j
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,717 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    RightTurnClyde wrote: »
    Here's how it all unfolded.
    Be sitting down and have a loved one beside you....
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057570038

    It took me ages to get over de laval leaving .......maby he might come back now !!!!


  • #4455
    pedigree 6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭pedigree 6


    jack o shea wrote: »
    For the lads who vaccinate irb do ye do all animals on the farm or just the cows?

    All animals for ibr.


  • #4456
    mahoney_j
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,717 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    pedigree 6 wrote: »
    All animals for ibr.

    I do fr heifer calves in October ,again following April and then yearly every April .live vaccine always used cows get yearly shot in April with bvd booster .bovillis bvd and Ibr can now be mixed and given in same vial as one injection


  • #4457
    pedigree 6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭pedigree 6


    Base price wrote: »
    Feeders are at the same levels as other years. Teats are not faulty.
    Vet phoned yesterday to see how the calves were getting on and suggested adding a teaspoon of Stimulex powder to the milk replacer/yoghurt mix or glucose/yoghurt mix or dosing same to the sick calves.
    I have always offered both hay and straw to young calves.
    I can't figure out how one or two calves per pen are affected today yet the rest are ok. A couple of days later another calf would bloat :(
    Out of 7 pens which are divided between 3 different sheds (1 shed is in a different yard) only one pen of calves has not been affected.
    All calves are dosed with Bovicox and vaccinated with Rispoval intranasal within a day of arrival.

    I did a bit of searching and came across this.

    http://www.hoards.com/E_animalhealth/ah11

    It seems the bloat could be down to too rich of a diet.
    The words are could be.


  • #4458
    kowtow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,135 ✭✭✭kowtow


    johnny122 wrote:
    Changed liners. Just did a test on one's I thought suspect found 5 in the millions.

    jaymla627 wrote:
    ... cynical person from the outside looking in would say glanbia have created a brilliant way to get suppliers to up production in a depressed market while locking them into 10 year contracts in the process they can't break

    No need to add to that summary.


  • #4459
    pedigree 6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭pedigree 6


    mahoney_j wrote: »
    I do fr heifer calves in October ,again following April and then yearly every April .live vaccine always used cows get yearly shot in April with bvd booster .bovillis bvd and Ibr can now be mixed and given in same vial as one injection

    Thanks for that. Might be playing Russian roulette but I think I wont vaccinate for bvd as hopefully the scheme is working (even though they should tighten up on it).
    I do all stock on farm in march and October. Was using rispoval but now going back to bovillis this year.

    Is there anything about potential ai sires coming from vaccinating herds?


  • #4460
    mahoney_j
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,717 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    pedigree 6 wrote: »
    Thanks for that. Might be playing Russian roulette but I think I wont vaccinate for bvd as hopefully the scheme is working (even though they should tighten up on it).
    I do all stock on farm in march and October. Was using rispoval but now going back to bovillis this year.

    Is there anything about potential ai sires coming from vaccinating herds?

    As long as Bulls ain't vaccinated your ok ,99.9% sure of that .as for not vaccinating for bvd I think it's a huge risk .even with no pi in your herd you never know what birds are carrying or what neighbouring farmers have .until such time as it's compulsory to get rid of pi calves the whole scheme is a bit of a waste


  • #4461
    alps
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,284 ✭✭✭alps


    mahoney_j wrote: »
    As long as Bulls ain't vaccinated your ok ,99.9% sure of that .as for not vaccinating for bvd I think it's a huge risk .even with no pi in your herd you never know what birds are carrying or what neighbouring farmers have .until such time as it's compulsory to get rid of pi calves the whole scheme is a bit of a waste

    A complete farce.....

    3 and 4 years down the line and hardly any better off. I've no hesitation in saying and have said from the start that it should have been compulsory culling of PIs with suckle guys getting a grant to replace the calf (dairy beef value) and the dairy lad getting FA because he would be well rid of the trouble.


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  • #4462
    darragh_haven
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,433 ✭✭✭darragh_haven


    Dawggone wrote: »
    Had an open day here today. Went well, bar the couple of lads that (I reckon) didn't believe our nitrogen usage on grass and forage maize. Truth is that I do massage the nitrate usage, but I underuse on dairy to use on high protein wheats!
    The 50+mm that we were to get last night didn't materialize, we only got 28mm and it was dry today albeit a bit blustery. Cows were out today even though the general consensus was that it was crazy to have animals out.

    Interestingly I did a count of how many of them had robots...just 2 out of 61. They were very conscious of CoP. Nothing like poor prices to sharpen the mind.

    Did the nitrogen non-beliveres kick up fuss at the open day or just question the amounts used.


  • #4463
    blackdog1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,185 ✭✭✭blackdog1


    jack o shea wrote: »
    For the lads who vaccinate irb do ye do all animals on the farm or just the cows?

    Blood test the cows for ibr before you give them vaccine. If you vaccinate a herd with no ibr and give them the live vaccine you might end up infecting your own herd. Chances are you have it but a simple milk test will tell you a lot.

    I wish people would send away their bvd pi calves so we can start eradicating ibr next it's quite annoying I'm still ear sampling for bvd because of some irresponsible farmer somewhere the government is doing nothing about.


  • #4464
    Dawggone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,506 ✭✭✭Dawggone


    darragh_haven wrote: »
    Did the nitrogen non-beliveres kick up fuss at the open day or just question the amounts used.

    They questioned the amount used. They can't seem to grasp that early grazing boosts early growth. Can be quite difficult to grasp that along with the fact that we frontload N, which works well until temps rise and clover kicks in.


  • #4465
    whelan2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,787 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    blackdog1 wrote: »
    Blood test the cows for ibr before you give them vaccine. If you vaccinate a herd with no ibr and give them the live vaccine you might end up infecting your own herd. Chances are you have it but a simple milk test will tell you a lot.

    I wish people would send away their bvd pi calves so we can start eradicating ibr next it's quite annoying I'm still ear sampling for bvd because of some irresponsible farmer somewhere the government is doing nothing about.
    Think johnes is the next most important one to eradiacate after bvd


  • #4466
    alps
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,284 ✭✭✭alps


    whelan2 wrote: »
    Think johnes is the next most important one to eradiacate after bvd

    The "industry" shouldn't be left near it until it proves it can eradicate bvd, and I mean deal with all aspects including bringing the farm organisations along too.

    It needs to get itself to the point of compulsory culling.

    Bvd is the easy one....if they can't finish that, they'll finish nothing, and the genuine farmer will just end up paying for an endless waft of tests and chyte we cull well do without..


  • #4467
    Buford T. Justice XIX
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,633 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    alps wrote: »
    The "industry" shouldn't be left near it until it proves it can eradicate bvd, and I mean deal with all aspects including bringing the farm organisations along too.

    It needs to get itself to the point of compulsory culling.

    Bvd is the easy one....if they can't finish that, they'll finish nothing, and the genuine farmer will just end up paying for an endless waft of tests and chyte we cull well do without..
    If you go down the route of compulsory culling (and we should), you have to adequately compensate the farmer for his property that you are taking.

    Whether that is beef or dairy, you cannot discriminate between them or the lawyers will be getting busy.

    The reason there was no compensation for the beginning was the fact that the country was stone broke and borrowing money just to pay the day to day bills.


  • #4468
    freedominacup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,920 ✭✭✭freedominacup


    alps wrote: »
    the genuine farmer will just end up paying for an endless waft of tests and chyte we cull well do without..

    This is and has always been the point of bvd testing. Amazingly bad became a huge priority just as bse was dealt with and our testing labs were about to run out of work. Basically we are paying to keep labs like enfer warm and skilled up just in case they're needed for a real emergency/food scare. They're never going to bring in a compulsory full on pi's for this reason. They have to have a reason to keep the labs running and get someone else to pay for the privilege.


  • #4469
    blackdog1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,185 ✭✭✭blackdog1


    whelan2 wrote: »
    Think johnes is the next most important one to eradiacate after bvd

    I disagree. Johnes is not as widespread. Anyway because of the departments lack of urgency on this issue we'll still be paying for bvd testing in 10 years instead of having bvd , ibr and johnes eradicated.


  • #4470
    whelan2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,787 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    We will have to agree to disagree. At least as things stand you can't sell a bvd positive animal to another farmer where as you can do what you like with a johnes positive one


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  • #4471
    Milked out
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,433 ✭✭✭Milked out


    whelan2 wrote: »
    We will have to agree to disagree. At least as things stand you can't sell a bvd positive animal to another farmer where as you can do what you like with a johnes positive one

    The problem with Johnes is they can't test for it accurately. It would be the same as tb if not worse unless they can improve the test. Obviously best practice should be followed and if there are obvious clinical issues the test has its uses


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