UFC 196: McGregor v Diaz

Gamebred · 09-03-2016 01:43AM

The Golden Miller wrote: »

Sure who cares if he can beat midgets. It's telling that he won't fight in his natural weight class. Might end up running into a few more Nate's and take a hammering. Easy to bully little men

Jon Jones is a bully,a fraud and will run into a few types of 'nates' at heavy weight so according to you,

Dont know why Im even responding but on the off chance your serious I look forward to your views on jones fighting smaller men.

Mellor · 09-03-2016 01:46AM

gallag wrote: »

Post the stats for the ones Connor "the midget slayer" actually fought though,

Martypants1 wrote: »

Why do you keep posting about all the fighters he hasn't fought?

Go fetch me the stats for the fights he has fought..sweety.

Martypants1 wrote: »

Let's see if Gamebred comes back with meaningful stats this time of the height and reach differences of the fighters McGregor has actually fought.

I'm not sure what's point you think you are making here. The above might be relevant if his FW title was awarded simply having the longest streak at FW, and he snuck in verses small guys. But that's not how it works, you do understand that, right?

He was taller than most of his opponents. And they were on average, shorter than the FW divison average (5'9" - same as Conor). That's because match-ups are made on ability and rankings, not height. Sizewise, they all weighed in at 145.

So, who are the tallest guys in the division then. As far as I can see there's 12 guys who are 5'11" or taller.

5'11" 6'0" 6'1"
Andre Fili Alex White Cole Miller
Chas Skelly Dan Hooker
Clay Collard Lucas Martins
Damon Jackson
Max Holloway
Mike De La Torre
Myles Jury
Yair Rodríguez

And how many of these giants are in the featherweight top 15?
Only 1, Max Holloway. Which incidentally is the only guy on that list that Conor has fought. (Cole Miller, who pulled out of a fight with Conor in Dublin). The average height of the top 15 is a fraction under 5'8", and the top 5 is slightly shorter.

So that really highlights the ridiculousness of your point. I have little doubt that Conor could have went 12-0 verses those guys being shorter in every fight, but all he's have is a win streak verses mostly nobodies and certainly no FW title.

Gamebred · 09-03-2016 01:48AM

Mellor wrote: »

I'm not sure what's point you think you are making here. The above might be relevant if his FW title was awarded simply having the longest streak at FW, and he snuck in verses small guys. But that's not how it works, you do understand that, right?

He was taller than most of his opponents. And they were on average, shorter than the FW divison average (5'9" - same as Conor). That's because match-ups are made on ability and rankings, not height. Sizewise, they all weighed in at 145.

So, who are the tallest guys in the division then. As far as I can see there's 12 guys who are 5'11" or taller.

5'11" 6'0" 6'1"
Andre Fili Alex White Cole Miller
Chas Skelly Dan Hooker
Clay Collard Lucas Martins
Damon Jackson
Max Holloway
Mike De La Torre
Myles Jury
Yair Rodríguez

And how many of these giants are in the featherweight top 15?
Only 1, Max Holloway. Which incidentally is the only guy on that list that Conor has fought. (Cole Miller, who pulled out of a fight with Conor in Dublin). The average height of the top 15 is a fraction under 5'8", and the top 5 is slightly shorter.

So that really highlights the ridiculousness of your point. I have little doubt that Conor could have went 12-0 verses those guys being shorter in every fight, but all he's have is a win streak verses mostly nobodies and certainly no FW title.

How dare you debunk a critics rubbish claims with stone cold facts,looking forward to the reply he should be on soon with a new stick to poke at McGregor.

The Golden Miller · 09-03-2016 02:04AM

Gamebred wrote: »

Jon Jones is a bully,a fraud and will run into a few types of 'nates' at heavy weight so according to you,

Dont know why Im even responding but on the off chance your serious I look forward to your views on jones fighting smaller men.

Fighting smaller men in Light Heavyweight? What do I think of that? This thread isn't about Jon Jones incase you misread the title. Although unrelated, unlike Conor talking about clearing out the UFC roster in 4 months, Nate probably would go the distance with Jones and come out standing after taking a hiding

StringerBell · 09-03-2016 02:04AM

Height should not be an obsession with any division. Size and height can also be mutually exclusive, take two LW's like Diaz and RDA. Diaz is plenty taller, but RDA is bigger. He has more size to him, anyway I'm not sure why height is being discussed so I shouldn't get involved maybe

Gamebred · 09-03-2016 02:08AM

StringerBell wrote: »

Height should not be an obsession with any division. Size and height can also be mutually exclusive, take two LW's like Diaz and RDA. Diaz is plenty taller, but RDA is bigger. He has more size to him, anyway I'm not sure why height is being discussed so I shouldn't get involved maybe

When people are saying hes fighting midgets,it becomes a height discussion.

Gamebred · 09-03-2016 02:10AM

The Golden Miller wrote: »

Fighting smaller men in Light Heavyweight? What do I think of that? This thread isn't about Jon Jones incase you misread the title. Although unrelated, unlike Conor talking about clearing out the UFC roster in 4 months, Nate probably would go the distance with Jones and come out standing after taking a hiding

Nice attempt of sidestepping the point,if hes beating midgets and his wins are illegitimate so is jones on the basis,so your in theory rubbishing the goat.

The Golden Miller · 09-03-2016 02:12AM

Gamebred wrote: »

Nice attempt of sidestepping the point,if hes beating midgets and his wins are illegitimate so is jones on the basis,so your in theory rubbishing the goat.

I don't agree with any coward not moving up if they dominate a certain weight, including Jones. 4 years defending the same title when there's no roof over his head is a joke. Although with Jones there is some pretty even match-ups and it often goes the distance. There is still that challenge there, unlike with McGregor who is not fighting at his natural weight class and has breezed through the division

Muahahaha · 09-03-2016 02:17AM

Check out the power McGregor gets with this right uppercut in the second. If the follow up left had of landed it would have been some combo.

http://gfycat.com/DearestHeavyDipper

Gamebred · 09-03-2016 02:25AM

Muahahaha wrote: »

Check out the power McGregor gets with this right uppercut in the second. If the follow up left had of landed it would have been some combo.

http://gfycat.com/DearestHeavyDipper

Nice,Diaz took it like a champ and moved out the way nicely.

mdwexford · 09-03-2016 02:40AM

The Golden Miller wrote: »

I don't agree with any coward not moving up if they dominate a certain weight, including Jones. 4 years defending the same title when there's no roof over his head is a joke. Although with Jones there is some pretty even match-ups and it often goes the distance. There is still that challenge there, unlike with McGregor who is not fighting at his natural weight class and has breezed through the division

Mellor just sickened you, crawl back under your rock.

The Golden Miller · 09-03-2016 02:46AM

mdwexford wrote: »

Mellor just sickened you, crawl back under your rock.

How? Conor probably has my bed made up for me under that rock. He's been under there for a couple of days now

bur · 09-03-2016 03:06AM

If you slow it down you can pinpoint the moment his heart breaks.

Mellor · 09-03-2016 04:18AM

The Golden Miller wrote: »

There is still that challenge there, unlike with McGregor who is not fighting at his natural weight class and has breezed through the division

Jones isn't fighting in his natural weight class either. He is naturally 20-25 heavier the 205 limit for LHW.
In fact, I'd be surprised if there were any fighters outside the HW division who were fighting in their natural weight class. If happened in the past, but not anymore.

Mellor · 09-03-2016 04:29AM

Gamebred wrote: »

Nice,Diaz took it like a champ and moved out the way nicely.

I like this one. very similar to the Buchinger KO.
Diaz's got clipped but his head movement took the sting out of it though.

The Golden Miller · 09-03-2016 04:34AM

Mellor wrote: »

Jones isn't fighting in his natural weight class either. He is naturally 20-25 heavier the 205 limit for LHW.
In fact, I'd be surprised if there were any fighters outside the HW division who were fighting in their natural weight class. If happened in the past, but not anymore.

Jones has real competition in LHW, but in saying that he should have gone up long ago. McGregor on the other hand should have been fighting LW all along

Mellor · 09-03-2016 06:51AM

The Golden Miller wrote: »

Jones has real competition in LHW, but in saying that he should have gone up long ago. McGregor on the other hand should have been fighting LW all along

On what grounds should he have been at LW?

You said because it is his natural division. Which makes no sense as no other fighter (below HW) is fighting at their natural weight.
Then you said because Jones has real competition. That makes little sense either as Jones was much more dominate at LHW than Conor as yet to be at FW. Regardless, being significantly better than opponents does not mean you don't belong at that division.

If Jones does decide to move up. That's his call to make. Until he does, as long as he can make 205, then he deserves fight in the LHW division.
Same applies to Conor, if he makes 145 without issue, then he is a FW. If he was missing weight, it'd be a different story.

John_D80 · 09-03-2016 08:00AM

The Golden Miller wrote: »

Sure who cares if he can beat midgets. It's telling that he won't fight in his natural weight class. Might end up running into a few more Nate's and take a hammering. Easy to bully little men

I always believed eveery fighter cuts weight. Just for some perspective, and to help me understand your point a bit better, could you perhaps name a few elite level fighters that do fight at their natural weight class (besides HW's obviously)?

Whelo79 · 09-03-2016 08:49AM

Pokes head in door to see if all the nonsense talk has gone away yet.

Nope, they're still here in small numbers.

Will come back in a few days.

Martypants1 · 09-03-2016 09:12AM

John_D80 wrote: »

I always believed eveery fighter cuts weight. Just for some perspective, and to help me understand your point a bit better, could you perhaps name a few elite level fighters that do fight at their natural weight class (besides HW's obviously)?

McGregors coach has said he struggles immensely to make weight. The reason he wanted to move up a division was because he found it so tough, imo. Something needs to be done about the weights. Bring the weight in closer to fight time or something.

JustTheOne · 09-03-2016 09:26AM

Martypants1 wrote: »

McGregors coach has said he struggles immensely to make weight. The reason he wanted to move up a division was because he found it so tough, imo. Something needs to be done about the weights. Bring the weight in closer to fight time or something.

Aldo struggles to make weight too. Loads of fighters do.

Spudman_20000 · 09-03-2016 09:32AM

Martypants1 wrote: »

Bring the weight in closer to fight time or something.

This would just mean fighters coming to the Octagon dehydrated, which is extremely dangerous.

I believe they used to have boxing weigh ins the morning of a fight, but then you had guys getting punched in the head who were so dehydrated, they had less fluid around the brain. Recipe for disaster.

09-03-2016 09:36AM

Gamebred wrote: »

Looks in teriffic shape there at 155 very proportioned,obviously his body has changed a bit since then,obviously its different stance and not day of weigh in but its different from this,

Anyone agree or am I alone?

yes I agree and think he looks better in the cage warriors photo too.
I notice his body looked different when he knocked brimage out and he looked faster, it had that whip like bruce lee look. On Saturday he looked a tad slowed by the bulky muscle and it showed on his gas tank.

Not for conspiracies but who on this forum said word from the camp was he's spending more time in the steak houses than in the gym??? might be something to that after all, not performance wise but fitness wise.

Maybe his camp knew his rounds in sparring were lacking and planned to try and take diaz out early as possible...bad plan.

John_D80 · 09-03-2016 09:38AM

Martypants1 wrote: »

McGregors coach has said he struggles immensely to make weight. The reason he wanted to move up a division was because he found it so tough, imo. Something needs to be done about the weights. Bring the weight in closer to fight time or something.

Right thats all stuff that everyone already knows. Dont know what it has to do with the post of mine that you quoted to be honest.

I was asking the guy if he would help me understand his point better and tell me a few elite level fighters that fight at their natural weight because I cant think of a single one.

With reference to weight cuts, McGregor is being ridiculed for doing exactly what every fighter in the promotion does, just because he does it better than them.

ASOT · 09-03-2016 09:41AM

John_D80 wrote: »

Right thats all stuff that everyone already knows. Dont know what it has to do with the post of mine that you quoted to be honest.

I was asking the guy if he would help me understand his point better and tell me a few elite level fighters that fight at their natural weight because I cant think of a single one.

With reference to weight cuts, McGregor is being ridiculed for doing exactly what every fighter in the promotion does, just because he does it better than them.

Cowboy fighting at 170 would be the only real possibility for an elite fighter at there own weight, possibly Ben Askren also since one fc banned weight cutting. But 99.9% of fighters cut to get an advantage so it'd be hard enough to find fighters fighting at there natural weight. Points are spot on.

Martypants1 · 09-03-2016 09:42AM

Spudman_20000 wrote: »

This would just mean fighters coming to the Octagon dehydrated, which is extremely dangerous.

I believe they used to have boxing weigh ins the morning of a fight, but then you had guys getting punched in the head who were so dehydrated, they had less fluid around the brain. Recipe for disaster.

Or they would fight at a higher weight class.

I'm sure being that dehydrated would lead to performance issues.

Spudman_20000 · 09-03-2016 09:49AM

Martypants1 wrote: »

Or they would fight at a higher weight class.

I'm sure being that dehydrated would lead to performance issues.

Well, they had to change when fighters weighed in, so you tell me what was actually happening.

JustTheOne · 09-03-2016 09:58AM

rusty cole wrote: »

yes I agree and think he looks better in the cage warriors photo too.
I notice his body looked different when he knocked brimage out and he looked faster, it had that whip like bruce lee look. On Saturday he looked a tad slowed by the bulky muscle and it showed on his gas tank.

Not for conspiracies but who on this forum said word from the camp was he's spending more time in the steak houses than in the gym??? might be something to that after all, not performance wise but fitness wise.

Maybe his camp knew his rounds in sparring were lacking and planned to try and take diaz out early as possible...bad plan.

I also was one of the voices of concern about the nightclub appearances leading up to the Aldo fight, but we know what happened there so we will never know his Cardio going into that fight!

John_D80 · 09-03-2016 10:02AM

ASOT wrote: »

Cowboy fighting at 170 would be the only real possibility for an elite fighter at there own weight, possibly Ben Askren also since one fc banned weight cutting. But 99.9% of fighters cut to get an advantage so it'd be hard enough to find fighters fighting at there natural weight. Points are spot on.

Hadn't even considered Cowboy to be honest but he did say before he fought ''the other cowboy'' that the weight cut would be a lot easier to 170 so I'm assuming he still cut some weight.

ONE FC's new rules are a great foundation to build on for the future. There are a few minor flaws but hats off to them as an organisation for saying ''enough is enough''.

ceecee14 · 09-03-2016 10:31AM

The Golden Miller wrote:

I don't agree with any coward not moving up if they dominate a certain weight, including Jones. 4 years defending the same title when there's no roof over his head is a joke. Although with Jones there is some pretty even match-ups and it often goes the distance. There is still that challenge there, unlike with McGregor who is not fighting at his natural weight class and has breezed through the division

Jose Aldo cuts a lot of weight to make Featherweight. Dominated the division for years. OK for him tho?

Your logic is sht

UFC 196: McGregor v Diaz

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