UFC 196: McGregor v Diaz

Tazzimus wrote: »

Pfft bollox, punches don't hurt more when you're exhausted and can't roll with them.

What sort of logic is that............


Amazes me that people still can't fathom why he was wrecked by the end of the first.

Looking for a KO punch every exchange and missing with most
Eating a few shots while doing this
Evading the other shots while doing this

Getting punched/slapped in the face while trying to hit someone else is actually off putting, imagine that.

All those punches Nate throws start to add up, plus as I said previously, they like to sneak a full power one in every now and then among all the other less powerful ones when they think you've let your guard down.

Trying to KO a Diaz is never a good game plan.

The takedown was more to try catch his breath but unless your surname is Maia or something, the ground is not where you want to be with either of them.

Exactly this...

Wrong tactics completely by McGregor, he put everything into winning in the 1st round and by end of round was totally gassed

Came out 2nd round guard was down, breathing hard, taking shots, got rocked then desparate takedown attempt as he knew he was finished on the feet and was there for the taking

He give it to Diaz on a plate really on the ground, but sure its one thing people talking about what happened and being in there at the time

He will bounce back, go back down the weight and dominate im sure

The Golden Miller wrote: »

You're a funny guy

Strong argument there.

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The Golden Miller wrote: »

I've given it loads of times. In no scenario does McGregor take Diaz, even over 3 rounds at 155. McGregor can't hide from him in the octagon and he'll catch him and beat him to a pulp before the 3 rounds are out. He doesn't even need to beat him down. One tiny mistake that lets Diaz in (he may not even need a mistake to get in) and McGregor is strangled and submitted with ease.

Absolutely staggering that you can be so blinkered that you cant imagine any reasonable scenario whereby Conor would win.

I would be of the considered opinion that you know very little about either fighter if you really imagine this to be the case.

Tazzimus wrote: »

Pfft bollox, punches don't hurt more when you're exhausted and can't roll with them.

What sort of logic is that............


Amazes me that people still can't fathom why he was wrecked by the end of the first.

I think what Billy86 was getting at was that it is a lot easier for a guy to be knocked out or stunned by a strike when he is gassed, which is very true. The jaw hangs low and he is breathing hard and deep.

John_D80 wrote: »

I think what Billy86 was getting at was that it is a lot easier for a guy to be knocked out or stunned by a strike when he is gassed, which is very true. The jaw hangs low and he is breathing hard and deep.

I was agreeing with him, just being sarcastic about it

Sarcasm wasn't aimed at Billy btw.

I would argue that Nate was playing possom a bit in the first and trying to do as little as possible.

No bearing on how a rematch would go, at any weight. Just for the other night that is how it looked to me.

FollowMyWay wrote: »

72? I can't see him being bigger than that, that would mean he put on just 4KG to fight RDA. It would be the same amount of weight to cut though which he had from 168 to 155, so that seems like a good guess.

I'd have guessed his weight cut was bigger at FW, given how awful he looks on the scales. But we never got to see him cutting to 155 either.
72kg to 66kg isn't an massive big weight cut.

raze_them_all_ wrote: »

Kickboxing is not cutting the weight the same as mma, not even close

Exactly. MMA fighters are cutting weight closer to wrestlers than kickboxers/boxers.

pone2012 wrote: »

No i didnt mean it in this way...I just think he belongs at 155...his walking around weight says that to me....but its a personal opinion based on 3 things : my experiences, my observations and his own teams reports....you dont need to agree whatsoever

I think the above bit highlights the issue. You are basing your opinion on your experiences as a kickboxer. Which is completely understandable thing to do btw, but it's also skewing your perception.

A kickboxer who walks around at 74kg might belong at 70kg/154lbs (let's say he competes under K-1 divisions). But that would make for a undersized LW in MMA. In MMA it's probably a very typical FW. A big FW (like Conor) would be above that.

I was making the cut to SWW (69.5kg) but I always aimed for 69 to be safe... there were a few times I made a WW cut to 66 (dehydration etc) and it was pretty crappy so I stuck with the former...

Being honest though I walked around at 72-73 then (77.5 now) so it was simply a case of a well planned CKD, some extra cardio with a carb load following the weigh in for 69...no crazy tactics needed..i was already lean as hell too but I remember them few times I went to 66 and it was excruciating ..plus I did feel like I was bigger there...im 5"10

what is the point of the question??

The point of the question was to gauge your perception of a harsh/normal cuts. Don't worry, I wasn't looking to set up a kickboxing match

Well planned CKD, and some extra cardio is simply, pardon the pun, not going to cut it in MMA. Even at an lower level the normal approach would be some combination of CKD, salt restriction, water loading, hot salt baths/ steam/sauna, clear bowels. Followed by rehydration - carb loading.

MMA divisions are big, so people often fall between them in terms of their natural division. Conor is absolutely a big FW, but the Conor that fought in the octagon in 2015 would have way undersized at LW.

John_D80 wrote: »

I would pretty much agree with all this, to be fair. I said earlier in the thread, that the two things Conor lacked most against Nate, were cardio and patience, both of which, thankfully, can be trained.

If there were a next time, I'm sure with a solid intelligent gameplan based on Leg kicks and body shots (both of which Diaz is wide open to), Conor would get the Win. And i would expect a 3rd or 4th round stoppage.

BoardsMember wrote: »

Why is is that McGregor's volume is so inferior? Surely a professional athlete as well advised as McGregor should be able to go the distance. And even if he can't due to putting too much in too early or whatever perceived tactical flaws, surely he should have been able to not be exhausted within a few minutes.

I've kinda wondered the same myself about his cardio and why he gassed after 7 minutes or so. Like I know that he expended too much energy with throwing haymakers that didn't connect but what I can't understand is why if this was his gameplan then why was he not fit enough to do it for 25 minutes. The obvious answer is no fighter could fight that game plan for 25 minutes so with that being the case his fight plan was very one dimensional. The way it seems to me he went in there to KO Nate in two rounds and only had the fitness to last that long. There didn't seem to be a contingency plan if the fight went to a 3rd, 4th or 5th round.

I must admit to not knowing a whole lot about Diaz but I do know part of his training routine is doing triathlons. By combining swimming, cycling and running he must have arms and legs that can go all day long to match with his sturdy chin. If Nate needed to go the full five rounds I think he had the cardio for it, Conor didn't. And perhaps part of that is because while McGregor is balancing on ropes with Ido Portal Nate Diaz is out on the roads and in the lakes covering 50km by combining three cardio intense sports.

Of course nobody here knows for certain Conor's full training regime throughout his camp and Ido Portal is only brought in for the last week of that anyway. But if I was JK analysiing that I'd be thinking we have to get his cardio levels up because it just simply isn't always going to be possible to finish an opponent in 2 rounds. He's had good success doing it thus far, granted, but it wont always be possible and for those occasions he needs more in his tank.

He'll learn and he'll go again.

I usually lurk around here. This has descended into soccer forum levels of retardedness. Let's see how many of these muppets are back when Conor floors his next opponent at FW.