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Nelson's Pillar

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  • #542
    TheHillOfDoom
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 794 ✭✭✭TheHillOfDoom


    donegaLroad wrote: »
    It was one of those rare moments on RTE alright.. :)

    Liam said that it took 2 attempts to blow up the statue. He climbed up the staircase in the centre of the pillar to plant the device, which he had put together himself. He used an alarm clock which he bought in Rathmines as a timer for the bomb.

    When it failed to detonate he had to climb back up the stairway and disarm the bomb by cutting the wires with a nail-clippers which he bought in Clearys.
    The reason he gave for bombing the pillar was because the British had blown apart O’Connell street during the Rising and had never apologised for it, and seeing as it was the 50th anniversary of the Rising, he saw it fitting that Nelson’s Statue had to go.

    Apparently De Valera was very pleased when he heard the news that the statue had been blown up.

    There was also a retired Irish soldier interviewed. He was in the engineering division in the Curragh, and they had planned to officially tear it down also with explosives, but were not allowed to place explosives in the middle of the pillar (up the stair-well). *at least that's what I think he said, as the car radio was going in and out of reception for that bit*

    They couldn't place explosives inside as the rubble from Liam's job was on the inside so they couldn't get in.


  • #543
    TheHillOfDoom
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 794 ✭✭✭TheHillOfDoom


    Also, he planted an initial device on a tuesday. It didn't activate. So he had to go back and get it (dismantling it with nail-clippers by cutting wires).
    Then he went back to Ranelagh/Rathmines and worked on getting it 'ticking' right until the following Monday. Planted new bomb. Bomb went off. Bye bye Nelson.


  • #544
    maryishere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    Harry Palmr wrote: »
    That spot is a neat summary of post colonial Ireland really - a classical structure which suited its noble surroundings (the GPO, Cleary's etc) replaced decades later by a ****ty prick of metal surrounded by plastic clad fast food dives, convenience stores and arcades
    Coat22 wrote: »
    Hopefully the same guys will come back this week and blow up the rest of O'Connell St - its an embarrassment of a focal point in a capital city and has been for a good 30 years but nobody seems too bothered about it

    Or maybe do as Gay Byrne said once - hand back the whole place to the Queen with a note of apology!:D


  • #545
    maryishere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    donegaLroad wrote: »
    Liam said that it took 2 attempts to blow up the statue. He climbed up the staircase in the centre of the pillar to plant the device, which he had put together himself. He used an alarm clock which he bought in Rathmines as a timer for the bomb.

    When it failed to detonate he had to climb back up the stairway and disarm the bomb by cutting the wires with a nail-clippers which he bought in Clearys.

    It said in one of the papers he went home after planting the bomb and fell asleep, and only heard about the bomb the next morning.

    In the paper it also interviewed someone who was working nearby in a building, heard the bomb, came out and saw entire O'Connell st covered in dust / debris.

    Why was nobody injured in the explosion?
    Either of 3 possibilities
    (a) pure luck nobody - no courting couples or groups of people crossing the street - were hit by the explosion or debris. It could be argued that was as reckless as say the bomb in Warrington or Enniskillen?
    (b) there was a cordon / exclusion zone - unlikely as nobody seemed to know exactly when it would go off? Or was there Garda collusion in preventing people going near the pillar for a period of time?
    (c) there were injuries but were hushed up?

    I know O'Connell st may have been quieter in the swinging sixties than now, but still?


  • #546
    A Dub in Glasgo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,415 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    ^^^

    or (d) an alien ship beamed everyone up off O'Connell Street just before the bomb went off, gave them the Men in Black memory loss thing and then beamed them all down afterwards


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  • #547
    [Deleted User]
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    maryishere wrote: »
    If you ever want to see how Homosexuals, Travellers (gyspies), the Disabled and Jews, - including from neutral countries the Nazis invaded - go to visit many of the places in Europe where they were guests of the Nazis.



    Not that the "civilised" British imperialists with their seemingly selfless empire helping all the benighted primitives from Calcutta to Castlepollard would ever pass laws designed to persecute gays, etc. The evil homophobic German Nazis, but the nice gay-loving British imperialists who until very recently (and long after the Nazis) merely chemically castrated tens of thousands of gay people, a reality which most people only discovered recently when the film about Alan Turing's life was made. You are utterly, utterly blinkered about the reality behind the veneer of the society you cravenly laud as "superior".


  • #548
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,094 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    maryishere wrote: »
    The British are actually a generally fair and tolerant race.

    Indeed, because the British Empire, the largest empire in world history, was based on fairness and tolerance. Ah bless. That old song 'The Gentle Black and Tan' comes to mind.


  • #549
    TheHillOfDoom
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 794 ✭✭✭TheHillOfDoom


    Would you have preferred if somebody died?


  • #550
    maryishere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    Deleted User wrote: »
    you cravenly laud as "superior".

    I never said anyone was "superior", but if your friends the Nazis had succeeded in their Operation Sea Lion (invading these islands) you probably would not know of any " Homosexuals, Travellers (gyspies), the Disabled and Jews" in Ireland, given what the Nazis did to them in other neutral countries in Europe that they invaded.


  • #551
    TheHillOfDoom
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 794 ✭✭✭TheHillOfDoom


    How do the Nazi's get dragged into everything?

    We're talking about Nelson's ****ing pillar!


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  • #552
    maryishere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    TheHillOfDoom wrote: »
    Would you have preferred if somebody died?
    No , of course not. Just amazed at the pure look that nobody, no innocent bystander, was caught in the explosion or the falling debris. As someone said on the radio today, at least when Isis blow up historic monuments, they usually make sure no innocent civilians are nearby.


  • #553
    A Dub in Glasgo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,415 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    maryishere wrote: »
    they usually make sure no innocent civilians are nearby.

    They prefer to butcher them later. Your game of constantly comparing the guys who done the deed on Nelson to ISIS is laughable


  • #554
    buried
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,980 ✭✭✭buried


    maryishere wrote: »
    No , of course not. Just amazed at the pure look that nobody, no innocent bystander, was caught in the explosion or the falling debris. As someone said on the radio today, at least when Isis blow up historic monuments, they usually make sure no innocent civilians are nearby.

    You were on the radio today? What radio station were you on?

    Bullet The Blue Shirts



  • #555
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Not that the "civilised" British imperialists with their seemingly selfless empire helping all the benighted primitives from Calcutta to Castlepollard would ever pass laws designed to persecute gays, etc. The evil homophobic German Nazis, but the nice gay-loving British imperialists who until very recently (and long after the Nazis) merely chemically castrated tens of thousands of gay people,.

    When you say recently, before or after 1993?


  • #556
    130Kph
    Closed Accounts Posts: 625 ✭✭✭130Kph


    A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »
    ^^^

    or (d) an alien ship beamed everyone up off O'Connell Street just before the bomb went off, gave them the Men in Black memory loss thing and then beamed them all down afterwards

    There was an ex-taxi driver on Liveline today who was so close to the explosion that he drove over rubble before he figured out what was going on. Its pure luck he wasn’t killed or crushed.

    Sutcliffe, being the typical standard of reckless, “classy” “republican” that we have come to expect, i.e. who is indifferent to their fellow countrymen’s life & limb, said: he didn’t believe this man’s story.

    Almost killed him then, calling him a liar now 50 years later :(

    The ex-taxi man refused to entertain any exchange with Sutcliffe despite Duffy’s usual repeated entreaties for him to do so.


  • #557
    maryishere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    buried wrote: »
    You were on the radio today? What radio station were you on?

    I was not on it, but I heard other commentators making the comparison on national radio. Do not shoot the messenger. n.b I think George Hook made the comparison too.


  • #558
    TheHillOfDoom
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 794 ✭✭✭TheHillOfDoom


    maryishere wrote: »
    No , of course not. Just amazed at the pure look that nobody, no innocent bystander, was caught in the explosion or the falling debris. As someone said on the radio today, at least when Isis blow up historic monuments, they usually make sure no innocent civilians are nearby.

    The bombing of Nelson's Pillar was nothing like ISIS cutting the heads off people.

    Why would you even dare to compare the two?


  • #559
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    When you say recently, before or after 1993?

    Hai Fred. Going to get back to me any time soon?


  • #560
    TheHillOfDoom
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 794 ✭✭✭TheHillOfDoom


    130Kph wrote: »
    There was an ex-taxi driver on Liveline today who was so close to the explosion that he drove over rubble before he figured out what was going on. Its pure luck he wasn’t killed or crushed.

    Sutcliffe, being the typical standard of reckless, “classy” “republican” that we have come to expect, i.e. who is indifferent to their fellow countrymen’s life & limb, said: he didn’t believe this man’s story.

    Almost killed him then, calling him a liar now 50 years later :(

    The ex-taxi man refused to entertain any exchange with Sutcliffe despite Duffy’s usual repeated entreaties for him to do so.

    The taxi driver wasn't even injured, let alone almost killed!


  • #561
    maryishere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    TheHillOfDoom wrote: »
    The bombing of Nelson's Pillar was nothing like ISIS cutting the heads off people.

    Why would you even dare to compare the two?

    doh, I never said "The bombing of Nelson's Pillar was nothing like ISIS cutting the heads off people."

    Do you not know what Isis has done to many old monuments etc?


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  • #562
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,549 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    maryishere wrote: »
    I was not on it, but I heard other commentators making the comparison on national radio. Do not shoot the messenger. n.b I think George Hook made the comparison too.

    Thereby removing any credibility the argument may have had (which is none in this case)

    George Hook has utterly lost his mind over the last year. Obviously you listen to him, so I'm sure you realise this already

    In the last week alone he has threatened violence against a co-worker and to sue Johnny Sexton for hurting his feelings


  • #563
    maudgonner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,455 ✭✭✭maudgonner


    TheHillOfDoom wrote: »
    The bombing of Nelson's Pillar was nothing like ISIS cutting the heads off people.

    Why would you even dare to compare the two?

    That is quite the leap you're making there!


  • #564
    TheHillOfDoom
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 794 ✭✭✭TheHillOfDoom


    maryishere wrote: »
    doh, I never said "The bombing of Nelson's Pillar was nothing like ISIS cutting the heads off people."

    Do you not know what Isis has done to many old monuments etc?

    Do you know what the English did to old Irish monuments?

    Do you know what they did to Irish people?

    Do you know what they did to our culture and language?


  • #565
    buried
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,980 ✭✭✭buried


    maryishere wrote: »
    doh, I never said "The bombing of Nelson's Pillar was nothing like ISIS cutting the heads off people."

    Do you not know what Isis has done to many old monuments etc?

    You love them old historical monuments dont'cha? What do you think about the destruction of scores of old Irish monasteries and churches by Oliver Cromwell's armies?
    Plenty of innocent people were in those buildings too when they were shelled.

    Bullet The Blue Shirts



  • #566
    TheHillOfDoom
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 794 ✭✭✭TheHillOfDoom


    I think that if people don't have the full truth (two sides) they can not make an informed choice.

    I worry that Irish history is being glossed over if some of the posters on here are denying the English torture that our ancestors were subjected to.


  • #567
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    Nodin wrote: »
    Hai Fred. Going to get back to me any time soon?

    Say what now?


  • #568
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    buried wrote: »
    You love them old historical monuments dont'cha? What do you think about the destruction of scores of old Irish monasteries and churches by Oliver Cromwell's armies?
    Plenty of innocent people were in those buildings too when they were shelled.

    you Oliver Cromwell, the blood thirsty republican willing to murder innocent people in the name of his country?

    I thought he'd be a hero to some on here.


  • #569
    maryishere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    My name is URL wrote: »
    George Hook has utterly lost his mind over the last year. Obviously you listen to him, so I'm sure you realise this already
    No I do not listen to him, but I was chatting to someone who did hear him and another commentator on the radio. What other regime, in the past 50 years, apart from some dissident IRA and ISES would blow up ancient historical monuments because they do not agree with them?
    TheHillOfDoom wrote: »
    Do you know what they did to Irish people?
    In regards to Nelson (what this thread is about) I know the English employed 400 Dubliners who served alongside Nelson, and Nelson seemingly was admired and greatly respected by all, to the extent that they contributed to the fundraising of the monument to Nelson in Dublin.

    Ironically it said on RTE recently that Nelsons pillar was designed by an Irishman, and built by mostly Irish people. ...and that the Spire was designed by an Englishman!. If true, a bit ironic the IRA blew up something Irish to have it replaced with something inspired in England.


  • #570
    TheHillOfDoom
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 794 ✭✭✭TheHillOfDoom


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCQ0mZh7c1s


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  • #571
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    Say what now?

    ....not the "what question" routine again.....

    On ye go - ye have the chance to be the first to answer it.....
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=98994055&postcount=519


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