Jan and Klodi's Party Bus - part II off topic discussion

CramCycle · 07-03-2016 10:15AM

Harrybelafonte wrote: »

Licence plate and report.

Agreed, not many people see it that way but shouting abuse at someone can be considered assault by the Gardai. Too many people get away with such intimidation tactics.

Unknown Soldier · 07-03-2016 07:50PM

Harrybelafonte wrote: »

Not sure what her gender had to do with it? Licence plate and report.

Her gender didn't come into it.

It's her gender, stated as a fact, at the start of the post, discover at the end of the incident. AFAICS

At no point is the incident blamed on her gender. She's actually referred to as "this driver" and then at the end "she"

If one was reporting the abuse would you not say the gender of the person? I think I would.

Harrybelafonte · 07-03-2016 10:12PM

Unknown Soldier wrote: »

Her gender didn't come into it.

It's her gender, stated as a fact, at the start of the post, discover at the end of the incident. AFAICS

At no point is the incident blamed on her gender. She's actually referred to as "this driver" and then at the end "she"

If one was reporting the abuse would you not say the gender of the person? I think I would.

"encountered an extremely ignorant woman driver"

If the driver's gender is of no consequence why refer to it?

Secondly, if the cycling forum on Boards.ie is considered the same as reporting an incident to the Gardaí then it may be over stepping the mark.

Feel free to come back with something about "PC gone mad" or similar.

manafana · 07-03-2016 10:16PM

Harrybelafonte wrote: »

Not sure what her gender had to do with it? Licence plate and report.

adds to description, in general woman drivers are just as vocal, so no sexism intended.

reporting would be waste of time really unless you where physically confronted, kept my cool for most part with "we will have a right to use the road"

ford2600 · 07-03-2016 10:42PM

If I encountered an aggressive driver knowing that is was a lady would mean, for me, one extreme outcome was not on the cards. With a male driver that possibility always exists.

Riding up mountain passes at 6am I don't want to meet a bunch of guys in a car. Smell of fresh rubber donuts will waken you up sharpish.

So sometimes it may be relevant, but if lads want to get offended work away

Harrybelafonte · 07-03-2016 10:43PM

manafana wrote: »

adds to description, in general woman drivers are just as vocal, so no sexism intended.

Keep digging

Harrybelafonte · 07-03-2016 10:46PM

ford2600 wrote: »

If I encountered an aggressive driver knowing that is was a lady would mean, for me, one extreme outcome was not on the cards. With a male driver that possibility always exists.

Riding up mountain passes at 6am I don't want to meet a bunch of guys in a car. Smell of fresh rubber donuts will waken you up sharpish.

So sometimes it may be relevant, but if lads want to get offended work away

I've never had fresh rubber donuts. Are they nice?

ford2600 · 07-03-2016 10:54PM

Harrybelafonte wrote: »

I've never had fresh rubber donuts. Are they nice?

Your history degree came with a module in humor I see.

You won

Wishbone Ash · 07-03-2016 11:33PM

The Badger to step down from bouncer duties after this year's TDF.

http://velonews.competitor.com/2016/03/news/hinault-to-retire-from-aso_397622

RobFowl · 07-03-2016 11:43PM

Nice to see other sports having to deal with doping

CramCycle · 08-03-2016 12:41AM

RobFowl wrote: »

Nice to see other sports having to deal with doping

Nice to see other sports admitting to doping is how I look at it. Doping is rife in almost every sport, has been since, well, since it wasn't allowed.

People always talk of cycling as that dirty sport but when confronted with their own sports they often just gloss over it.

I have heard of blood doping in soccer being openly talked about as therapy, reported in the news, but even the anti doping agencies, seem to ignore it.

Nice this is finally changing.

roverrules · 08-03-2016 08:31AM

Harrybelafonte wrote: »

"encountered an extremely ignorant woman driver"

If the driver's gender is of no consequence why refer to it?

Secondly, if the cycling forum on Boards.ie is considered the same as reporting an incident to the Gardaí then it may be over stepping the mark.

Feel free to come back with something about "PC gone mad" or similar.

I feel that if anyone were to go to the gardai with a report like that, they'd need to rewrite it. I'm not sure what was supposed to be happening at all with the merging right to turn left? Maybe it's clear if you know the area but clear as mud to me as a northsider.

lennymc · 08-03-2016 10:00AM

It's also nice to see a professional athlete accept responsibility and say that she did it rather than claiming that she knows nothing about it and she will clear her name blah blah blah. While she was foolish for not checking the list, she deserves some credit (imho) for taking it like a man (runs and hides from gadetra).

CramCycle · 08-03-2016 10:12AM

roverrules wrote: »

I feel that if anyone were to go to the gardai with a report like that, they'd need to rewrite it. I'm not sure what was supposed to be happening at all with the merging right to turn left? Maybe it's clear if you know the area but clear as mud to me as a northsider.

If its where i am thinking of, the bus lane re joins the main traffic lane about 10 yards before the junction. Technically the car would have the right of way AFAIK but since it would appear, even if rudely and poorly, the driver was accommodating of the merge, the cyclist was doing nothing wrong.
The main issue is the aggression and the verbal assault, while the driving was poor, it would not be what I would report to the car. The fact that someone was being abusive and increasingly hostile while controlling a machine that had the potential to seriously injure or kill the other person, would be grounds for assault. Now whether the gardai do anything about that or not, well, alas, probably not. Not their fault but bar a word in the ear, there is very little they can do without other proof/witnesses.

Fian · 08-03-2016 10:22AM

Harrybelafonte wrote: »

Not sure what her gender had to do with it? Licence plate and report.

Her gender is relevant.

Men tend to be more aggressive. So not only is it more unusual to receive this type of anger/abuse from a female driver than a male, it is also far less likely that she would escalate to physical violence. All of that is relevant imo.

I got doored by a little old lady last week. I posted about it and I mentioned that she was a little old lady. Partly to explain why i didn't even get the satisfaction of venting my annoyance at the person who doored me, because I am far more likely to lose my temper with a man than with an old lady.

I imagine that if the driver had been a boy racer he would have mentioned that too, he is not furthering a subtle misogynist plot to characterise all female drivers as incompetent or incapable. He is just describing what happened.

Having said all of that if he had described the driver as a "black guy" I would agree that should be called out and that is normally a good acid test. So I see where you are coming from but I think you are being overly sensitive.

Chips Lovell · 08-03-2016 10:39AM

Meldonium. Same thing Katusha's Vorganov got popped for.

Russian figure skater Ekaterina Bobrova also tested positive for it.

Sharapova, in her press conference, described it as "medicine".

ThisRegard · 08-03-2016 10:53AM

lennymc wrote: »

It's also nice to see a professional athlete accept responsibility and say that she did it rather than claiming that she knows nothing about it and she will clear her name blah blah blah. While she was foolish for not checking the list, she deserves some credit (imho) for taking it like a man (runs and hides from gadetra).

She didn't really man up or accept responsibility, she appears to be spinning a web of lies. She claims it was for a health issue she's had for the last 10 years given to her by her family doctor.

She's been taking a drug, that's not approved for use by the FDA in the US, for over 10 years, allegedly prescribed by her family doctor who could lose his licence for doing so. Why not take an approved drug? Where is she getting this drug from if it can't be legally purchased or prescribed in the US, where she lives?

Jep Gambardella wrote: »

Meldonium. Same thing Katusha's Vorganov got popped for.

Russian figure skater Ekaterina Bobrova also tested positive for it.

Sharapova, in her press conference, described it as "medicine".

I heard the rate of detection of this drug from the sample size points out to an anomaly in relation to the percentage of elite athletes with underlying heart conditions, if all those detected are taking it for what's it's meant for, compared to the rest of the population.

eeeee · 08-03-2016 11:16AM

Fian wrote: »

Her gender is relevant.

Men tend to be more aggressive. So not only is it more unusual to receive this type of anger/abuse from a female driver than a male, it is also far less likely that she would escalate to physical violence. All of that is relevant imo.

I got doored by a little old lady last week. I posted about it and I mentioned that she was a little old lady. Partly to explain why i didn't even get the satisfaction of venting my annoyance at the person who doored me, because I am far more likely to lose my temper with a man than with an old lady.

I imagine that if the driver had been a boy racer he would have mentioned that too, he is not furthering a subtle misogynist plot to characterise all female drivers as incompetent or incapable. He is just describing what happened.

Having said all of that if he had described the driver as a "black guy" I would agree that should be called out and that is normally a good acid test. So I see where you are coming from but I think you are being overly sensitive.

No. It's no more appropriate to call the driver out as a woman than a "black guy".
I have always wondered why sexism is far more accepted than racism :rolleyes:

And that's all I'm gonna say on the matter.

CramCycle · 08-03-2016 01:02PM

Even though it wasn't on the banned list, is it still not doping for the previous 10 years if it is not taken for medical reasons. It improves circulation, and therefore would improve endurance and effort performances in an athlete.

I thought this still fell under doping as it is a drug taken with the specific reason of changing blood values in a roundabout sort of way.

manafana · 08-03-2016 01:12PM

Harrybelafonte wrote: »

Keep digging

digging what, im allowed specify if a person i encountered was a woman or male i use she or he not it.

manafana · 08-03-2016 01:14PM

roverrules wrote: »

I feel that if anyone were to go to the gardai with a report like that, they'd need to rewrite it. I'm not sure what was supposed to be happening at all with the merging right to turn left? Maybe it's clear if you know the area but clear as mud to me as a northsider.

it wasn't intended as a report to any gardai, simply a rant to say how annoyed I was a fellow road user felt the need to vocally abuse a cyclist.

On the merging, there are two lanes they become one before the junction.

manafana · 08-03-2016 01:20PM

gadetra wrote: »

No. It's no more appropriate to call the driver out as a woman than a "black guy".
I have always wondered why sexism is far more accepted than racism :rolleyes:

And that's all I'm gonna say on the matter.

black guy is very different to calling someone a woman, this has really been overblown, in this case i pointed out it was a woman, as much as we'd assume it was a man otherwise and I would have used he, don't try pin that as sexist.

Fian · 08-03-2016 01:29PM

gadetra wrote: »

No. It's no more appropriate to call the driver out as a woman than a "black guy".
I have always wondered why sexism is far more accepted than racism :rolleyes:

And that's all I'm gonna say on the matter.

It was not "calling her out" it was describing her. And it was not sexism to describe the incident mentioning the gender of the driver.

You could have a sexist comment where bad driving was being described with the gender of the driver being mentioned as an explanation of the bad driving "well what more could you expect from a woman driver, poor dear was probably doing her best". That is not what the previous post was at, I don't think there was any sexism involved.

It would be racist and gratuitous to mention the race of the driver. It is not sexist or gratuitous to mention the gender in the context of this incident. For the record I don't consider sexism to be acceptable, nor obviously racism.

Anyway I guess I should take your example and the example of the poster of the first comment on board and say no more on this matter either.

CramCycle · 08-03-2016 01:41PM

MOD VOICE: I think we can leave the is it or isn't sexist or racist talk there. Any questions please PM me.

lennymc · 08-03-2016 02:49PM

CramCycle wrote: »

Even though it wasn't on the banned list, is it still not doping for the previous 10 years if it is not taken for medical reasons. It improves circulation, and therefore would improve endurance and effort performances in an athlete.

I thought this still fell under doping as it is a drug taken with the specific reason of changing blood values in a roundabout sort of way.

Just to be clear, I applauded her action in saying that she took it, rather than the usual denial claptrap that is normally offered as a result of a positive. If it was not on the banned list I dont see how she could be banned or sanctioned.

Aren't there a number of drugs that some people openly take that help aid performance (Caffeine, tramadol etc) that are not on the list. What about non drugs. What about gels? What about vitamin supplements.

I think (and it is my understanding that) the only definitive list is the WADA list. If it's on it, don't take it (with exceptions). If it's not, then fair game?

ednwireland · 08-03-2016 11:35PM

paul kimmage was on form this evening
http://www.newstalk.com/kimmage-wine-recommendations

eeeee · 08-03-2016 11:54PM

Jaysus :eek:

RobFowl · 09-03-2016 12:36AM

gadetra wrote: »

Jaysus :eek:

That's me on the right and Lenny on the outside ðŸ˜Ž

lennymc · 09-03-2016 08:35AM

Oooohhh, fighting talk.

Fian · 09-03-2016 11:02AM

RIP

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/garda-appeal-for-witnesses-after-cyclist-19-killed-in-road-collision-34523412.html

19 year old with his life in front of him, very sad.

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